Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence

[ShiningInLuz]

If it is that easy ... please indicate what the dogs' various reactions signified?

It is that easy.

The dogs alerted.  Fact.

What they alerted to is a matter of debate or opinion.

[Mr Gray]

It is that easy.

The dogs alerted.  Fact.

What they alerted to is a matter of debate or opinion.

It isn't... It's a matter of fact.... We just don't know what it is..... Even grime

[barrier]

Because she, was, able to reinforce the lie, that the dogs had alerted to cadaver...

Proved

Proved facts,so who lied?

PROVED FACTS

Taking into account the matter considered undisputed in the selection of facts and the decision handed down in due course after producing the matter of evidence and discussing the case, the following facts are demonstrated :

6. The British police dogs “Eddie” and “Keela” detected human blood and cadaver in the apartment 5A, Ocean Club [alínea AR) of the undisputed facts].

7. The British police dogs “Eddie” and “Keela” detected human blood and cadaver in a vehicle rented by the claimants after the disappearance of MMC [alínea AS) of the undisputed facts].

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6307.0

[Brietta]

It is that easy.

The dogs alerted.  Fact.

What they alerted to is a matter of debate or opinion.

In my opinion, to what the dogs reacted is neither a matter for debate or the opinion of amateurs.  It is intelligence for the purpose of guiding investigators in the procurement of evidence.

Slarti purports to know the significance of the dogs' reaction better than the professionals ... for that she requires a cite for which I await with interest.

[Mr Gray]

Proved

Proved facts,so who lied?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6307.0

Proven in what way.... What does the proven mean in this instance...because there certainly is no absolute proof the alerts  were to cadaver

[barrier]

Proven in what way.... What does the proven mean in this instance...because there certainly is no absolute proof the alerts  were to cadaver

You'll have to take that up with the court in question,I provided a link which clearly states its a proven fact,is that fact in question?

[Mr Gray]

You'll have to take that up with the court in question,I provided a link which clearly states its a proven fact,is that fact in question?

I dont need to take it up with anyone it is not a proven fact as we understand it and I have no idea what the portugues court means by it...if they think its proven they obviously dont have a clue (IN MY OPINION).

Edit: (IN MY OPINION) added

No it's not my opinion it's a fact.... If they think it's proven what other explanation is there... Please, tell us

[Robittybob1]

It isn't... It's a matter of fact.... We just don't know what it is..... Even grime

Could we say we aren't sure but most likely cadaver odour?

[Brietta]

Could we say we aren't sure but most likely cadaver odour?

Not in my opinion.

[Vertigo Swirl]

This is the question asked by Sandra of Gerry McCann:

"How can you explain the coincidence of the scent of cadaver found by British and not Portuguese dogs?"

to which Gerry replied "Ask the dogs Sandra".

Now, what would have been a more reasonable and acceptable answer as far as those who don't believe the McCanns (avoiding using the S word now) are concerned?  What would you have expected him to say in response to that question which would have had you thinking "yeah, man's made a good point, actually I have sympathy with his position, perhaps he's not guilty after all"?

[Robittybob1]

I dont need to take it up with anyone it is not a proven fact as we understand it and I have no idea what the portugues court means by it...if they think its proven they obviously dont have a clue (IN MY OPINION).

Edit: (IN MY OPINION) added

No it's not my opinion it's a fact.... If they think it's proven what other explanation is there... Please, tell us

"they obviously dont have a clue"  that was the opinion part.

[Mr Gray]

Could we say we aren't sure but most likely cadaver odour?

That is not what grime said... In his first statement  grime said it is possible that the, alert was to cadaver odour... If you want to take that as meaning most likely... Then I think your understaing is very  poor

[Vertigo Swirl]

You'll have to take that up with the court in question,I provided a link which clearly states its a proven fact,is that fact in question?

Do you believe it's a proven fact then?  That the dog definitely alerted to cadaver, because the court said so?

[Mr Gray]

"they obviously dont have a clue"  that was the opinion part.

Then how else do you explain their claim that the alert to cadaver is a proven fact.. It plainly isnt

[jassi]

Do you believe it's a proven fact then?  That the dog definitely alerted to cadaver, because the court said so?

What a court says stands as correct until proved otherwise.