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Offline G-Unit

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1305 on: March 24, 2018, 10:13:55 AM »
In my opinion a lot of people simply misunderstand the evidence, not just those labelled 'sceptics'. In fact people have trouble identifying evidence, let alone understanding it.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1306 on: March 24, 2018, 10:17:20 AM »
Quote from: G-Unit on March 24, 2018, 10:13:55 AM
In my opinion a lot of people simply misunderstand the evidence, not just those labelled 'sceptics'. In fact people have trouble identifying evidence, let alone understanding it.

imo its predominately the sceptics...you yourself has stated that it was Grimes opinion that cadaver odour triggered the alert...which is not what he stated...so thers an example of you not understanding the evidence...you also claimed the dogs were scientifically tested...again untrue
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Offline Carana

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1307 on: March 24, 2018, 10:23:32 AM »
Quote from: Davel on March 24, 2018, 10:09:03 AM
If two dogs, alerted at the, same place with a, different  handler... And each handler having no knowledge of the other, alert then that would have to be, strong evidence and highly suggestive... But could, still be as, a result of cross contamination and not necessarily  cadaver

I'm not sure I agree with that, Davel.

IMO, it would still just be intelligence, albeit of a potentially higher value, depending on all the variables.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1308 on: March 24, 2018, 10:26:16 AM »
Quote from: Davel on March 24, 2018, 10:17:20 AM
imo its predominately the sceptics...you yourself has stated that it was Grimes opinion that cadaver odour triggered the alert...which is not what he stated...so thers an example of you not understanding the evidence...you also claimed the dogs were scientifically tested...again untrue
Well it was something like that.  He said "It is my view that it is possible that the EVRD is alerting to cadaver scent contamination."
He didn't say he was 100% certain that the EVRD is alerting to cadaver scent contamination. Just that it was possible.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1309 on: March 24, 2018, 10:30:17 AM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on March 24, 2018, 10:26:16 AM
Well it was something like that.  He said "It is my view that it is possible that the EVRD is alerting to cadaver scent contamination."
He didn't say he was 100% certain that the EVRD is alerting to cadaver scent contamination. Just that it was possible.
It was not what he said... And if anyone thinks it is... They do not understand English never mind the evidence....
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1310 on: March 24, 2018, 10:31:23 AM »
Quote from: Carana on March 24, 2018, 10:23:32 AM
I'm not sure I agree with that, Davel.

IMO, it would still just be intelligence, albeit of a potentially higher value, depending on all the variables.
They would still have to have some corroborating evidence to say who's body was the cause of the cadaver odour. IMO.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1311 on: March 24, 2018, 10:33:27 AM »
Quote from: Davel on March 24, 2018, 10:30:17 AM
It was not what he said... And if anyone thinks it is... They do not understand English never mind the evidence....
That was a copy and paste from the report.  "It is my view that it is possible that the EVRD is alerting to cadaver scent contamination. No evidential or intelligence reliability can be made from this alert unless it can be confirmed with corroborating evidence. "  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm
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Offline Carana

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1312 on: March 24, 2018, 10:34:14 AM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on March 24, 2018, 10:26:16 AM
Well it was something like that.  He said "It is my view that it is possible that the EVRD is alerting to cadaver scent contamination."
He didn't say he was 100% certain that the EVRD is alerting to cadaver scent contamination. Just that it was possible.

Some people have a tendency to omit qualifiers as 'unnecessary', but thereby conveniently change the sense, or - on the contrary - sprinkle in a few to elicit an emotional reaction.
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Offline barrier

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1313 on: March 24, 2018, 10:36:17 AM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on March 24, 2018, 10:33:27 AM
That was a copy and paste from the report.  "It is my view that it is possible that the EVRD is alerting to cadaver scent contamination. No evidential or intelligence reliability can be made from this alert unless it can be confirmed with corroborating evidence. "  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

It can be argued with the failure to find Madeleine either dead or alive then that corroborating evidence won't be confirmed to be either way.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1314 on: March 24, 2018, 10:37:26 AM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on March 24, 2018, 10:33:27 AM
That was a copy and paste from the report.  "It is my view that it is possible that the EVRD is alerting to cadaver scent contamination. No evidential or intelligence reliability can be made from this alert unless it can be confirmed with corroborating evidence. "  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

Rob can you really not see the diference
Gun it said it was Grimes opinion that the, alerts we're triggered by cadaver odour he DIDNT.. He said it was possible... If posters cannot see the massive difference  between  the two.. It's no wonder their conclusions are, wring
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1315 on: March 24, 2018, 10:38:48 AM »
Quote from: barrier on March 24, 2018, 10:36:17 AM
It can be argued with the failure to find Madeleine either dead or alive then that corroborating evidence won't be confirmed to be either way.
Well to be honest I have a feeling the evidence the PJ were hoping for was a confession.
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Offline jassi

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1316 on: March 24, 2018, 10:40:29 AM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on March 24, 2018, 10:38:48 AM
Well to be honest I have a feeling the evidence the PJ were hoping for was a confession.

I think that OG might now be of a similar minds
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1317 on: March 24, 2018, 10:46:08 AM »
Quote from: jassi on March 24, 2018, 10:40:29 AM
I think that OG might now be of a similar minds
Do they have means of persuasion?  I can't see any pressure coming on anyone to confess at the moment. 
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Offline jassi

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1318 on: March 24, 2018, 10:49:06 AM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on March 24, 2018, 10:46:08 AM
Do they have means of persuasion?  I can't see any pressure coming on anyone to confess at the moment.

All forces have ways and means.
Who know what those four part-timers abandoned in a broom cupboard somewhere in the bowels of New Scotland Yards are up to.
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Offline Carana

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1319 on: March 24, 2018, 10:49:11 AM »
Quote from: barrier on March 24, 2018, 10:36:17 AM
It can be argued with the failure to find Madeleine either dead or alive then that corroborating evidence won't be confirmed to be either way.

What "corroborating evidence"?
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