Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence

[Robittybob1]

That's line 11, which says "... disse não responder."

Google Translate converts that to "said not responding"   "Not" rather than "No". Same difference.

[Alice Purjorick]

Google Translate converts that to "said not responding"   "Not" rather than "No". Same difference.

I would take Google Translate with a pinch of salt were I you.
OK for a rough pass but NBG for much else.

Try going into a German drugstore in Koln, yes that one at any cross roads opposite the Dr Mullers Sex Shop, to buy a razor using Google translate.

May I have a safety razor please?
translates to:
Darf ich bitte einen Rasierapparat haben
translates back to:
May I have a razor, please
Razor translates to ein rasierer
Safety razor to Sicherheitsrasierer
Rasierapparat translates to shaver apparatus.
But in the drug store:
Darf ich bitte einen Gillette [oder ein stelbar] haben, will deliver what you want.
Darf ich bitte einen Rasierapparat haben will probably be greeted by a blank stare, then laughter possibly followed by the waving of a cut throat.
Like I said use Google translate at your peril.
[Based on personal experience of asking for "einen rasierer" in Koln ca 1974. The young lady the store manager and I finished up like this when all  was explained..... ]

[Carana]

I would take Google Translate with a pinch of salt were I you.
OK for a rough pass but NBG for much else.

Try going into a German drugstore in Koln, yes that one at any cross roads opposite the Dr Mullers Sex Shop, to buy a razor using Google translate.

May I have a safety razor please?
translates to:
Darf ich bitte einen Rasierapparat haben
translates back to:
May I have a razor, please
Razor translates to ein rasierer
Safety razor to Sicherheitsrasierer
Rasierapparat translates to shaver apparatus.
But in the drug store:
Darf ich bitte einen Gillette [oder ein stelbar] haben, will deliver what you want.
Darf ich bitte einen Rasierapparat haben will probably be greeted by a blank stare, then laughter possibly followed by the waving of a cut throat.
Like I said use Google translate at your peril.
[Based on personal experience of asking for "einen rasierer" in Koln ca 1974. The young lady the store manager and I finished up like this when all  was explained..... ]

https://www.lonelyplanet.com/blog/2011/11/24/lost-in-translation-our-top-20-photos/

[G-Unit]

I would take Google Translate with a pinch of salt were I you.
OK for a rough pass but NBG for much else.

Try going into a German drugstore in Koln, yes that one at any cross roads opposite the Dr Mullers Sex Shop, to buy a razor using Google translate.

May I have a safety razor please?
translates to:
Darf ich bitte einen Rasierapparat haben
translates back to:
May I have a razor, please
Razor translates to ein rasierer
Safety razor to Sicherheitsrasierer
Rasierapparat translates to shaver apparatus.
But in the drug store:
Darf ich bitte einen Gillette [oder ein stelbar] haben, will deliver what you want.
Darf ich bitte einen Rasierapparat haben will probably be greeted by a blank stare, then laughter possibly followed by the waving of a cut throat.
Like I said use Google translate at your peril.
[Based on personal experience of asking for "einen rasierer" in Koln ca 1974. The young lady the store manager and I finished up like this when all  was explained..... ]

I wasn't far away; 150k in Dülmen near Münster. Eating bratwurst and going to Schützenfests.

[Brietta]

Back on topic, please.

[sadie]

The one in the wardrobe.  I think the cadaver was in the apartment all the time. That is why there were questions about this directed at Kate.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/48_Questions_07_09_07.htm
02 --- If she looked inside the cupboard of the couple's bedroom, she said No in response.
03 --- Shown two photographs of the cupboard of her bedroom, and asked for a description of the contents, she did not respond.
--- The viewing ended and after signs of cadaver odour in her bedroom next to the cupboard and behind the sofa against the window of the living room, she said that she can not explain anything more than that already mentioned.

Interesting that she admitted to not looking in the wardrobe!

and

    Welcome to the dark side of the fence.

IMO Rob has been 'on the dark side of the fence' for quite a long time, maybe since the time he joined the forum .... altho he hides it well.   

I have noticed that straight from the start, he is reluctant to accept that an abduction may have taken place; in fact I don't think that he has ever accepted the possibility ... except when trying to work out if the Tapas group are involved.   Please correct me if I am mistaken.


Rob is a thoroughly nice person to talk to and does look at most angles, which is good.    However, are you following a set agenda, Rob ? 

This is the first time that he has come straight out with the fact that he thinks that Madeleine died in the apartment and that the cadaver was in the apartment all the time.

This makes him a sceptic IMO



Bet this post doesn't last long 

[slartibartfast]

and

IMO Rob has been 'on the dark side of the fence' for quite a long time, maybe since the time he joined the forum .... altho he hides it well.   

I have noticed that straight from the start, he is reluctant to accept that an abduction may have taken place; in fact I don't think that he has ever accepted the possibility ... except when trying to work out if the Tapas group are involved.   Please correct me if I am mistaken.


Rob is a thoroughly nice person to talk to and does look at most angles, which is good.    However, are you following a set agenda, Rob ? 

This is the first time that he has come straight out with the fact that he thinks that Madeleine died in the apartment and that the cadaver was in the apartment all the time.

This makes him a sceptic IMO



Bet this post doesn't last long 

To your last question, why?

[Carana]

I haven't discarded the possibility that she may have died in the apartment, just as I haven't eliminated the possibility that she may have been alive when she disappeared from it.

[jassi]

I haven't discarded the possibility that she may have died in the apartment, just as I haven't eliminated the possibility that she may have been alive when she disappeared from it.

A sensible position to take - IMO- exactly where OG seem to be.

[Robittybob1]

and

IMO Rob has been 'on the dark side of the fence' for quite a long time, maybe since the time he joined the forum .... altho he hides it well.   

I have noticed that straight from the start, he is reluctant to accept that an abduction may have taken place; in fact I don't think that he has ever accepted the possibility ... except when trying to work out if the Tapas group are involved.   Please correct me if I am mistaken.


Rob is a thoroughly nice person to talk to and does look at most angles, which is good.    However, are you following a set agenda, Rob ? 

This is the first time that he has come straight out with the fact that he thinks that Madeleine died in the apartment and that the cadaver was in the apartment all the time.

This makes him a sceptic IMO



Bet this post doesn't last long 

Not so Sadie.  I believe in rather an unique situation of there being an abduction and a cadaver.
That is why I have found Blonk's posts so interesting as it times Smithman perfectly for an abduction at 21H42.
But a cadaver can still be in the suitcase.   The PJ must have had the same problem how can they ask Kate about the wardrobe and at the same time consider an abduction even if it was a getting rid of the body type abduction.

When I started here in July 2016 I had partially developed a theory and true I have been looking to see if I can disprove my theory so to answer your last question "However, are you following a set agenda, Rob ?"  Yes I have been following an agenda - that is to to find fault with my basic theory, but I'm sorry to say I have not faulted it yet with evidence.

[Carana]

Not so Sadie.  I believe in rather an unique situation of there being an abduction and a cadaver.
That is why I have found Blonk's posts so interesting as it times Smithman perfectly for an abduction at 21H42.
But a cadaver can still be in the suitcase.   The PJ must have had the same problem how can they ask Kate about the wardrobe and at the same time consider an abduction even if it was a getting rid of the body type abduction.

When I started here in July 2016 I had partially developed a theory and true I have been looking to see if I can disprove my theory so to answer your last question "However, are you following a set agenda, Rob ?"  Yes I have been following an agenda - that is to to find fault with my basic theory, but I'm sorry to say I have not faulted it yet with evidence.

Rob, are you suggesting that her body was in whatever that dark blob (sack / case, whatever) in the wardrobe despite both the GNR searches and, more importantly, the forensic PJ unit having beenn there that night?

[Robittybob1]

Rob, are you suggesting that her body was in whatever that dark blob (sack / case, whatever) in the wardrobe despite both the GNR searches and, more importantly, the forensic PJ unit having beenn there that night?

I don't use the word "her body"  but yes there is a possibility there is a cadaver in that suitcase type object.

Yes unless someone admits to checking the content of it we don't know.  Next day same wardrobe shelf appears empty.  No one has admitted removing the suitcase type object.
But I now really think Smithman removed Madeleine at 21H42 or thereabouts so the cadaver is not Madeleine, for Smithman is not seen or behaves like he is carrying a deceased victim.

[Carana]

I don't use the word "her body"  but yes there is a possibility there is a cadaver in that suitcase type object.

Yes unless someone admits to checking the content of it we don't know.  Next day same wardrobe shelf appears empty.  No one has admitted removing the suitcase type object.
But I now really think Smithman removed Madeleine at 21H42 or thereabouts so the cadaver is not Madeleine, for Smithman is not seen or behaves like he is carrying a deceased victim.

We all know that the forensic lady only had one glove... but are you seriously suggesting that they could have missed a body in a bag??

[jassi]

We all know that the forensic lady only had one glove... but are you seriously suggesting that they could have missed a body in a bag??

If they were as incompetent as some on here love to claim, then perhaps they did.

[Mr Gray]

I don't use the word "her body"  but yes there is a possibility there is a cadaver in that suitcase type object. 📸

Yes unless someone admits to checking the content of it we don't know.  Next day same wardrobe shelf appears empty.  No one has admitted removing the suitcase type object.
But I now really think Smithman removed Madeleine at 21H42 or thereabouts so the cadaver is not Madeleine, for Smithman is not seen or behaves like he is carrying a deceased victim.

I would say that's, probably the most ridiculous, ideas, we've, had, on the, forum including those, who were just joking