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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1350 on: March 25, 2018, 09:41:12 PM »
We all know that the forensic lady only had one glove... but are you seriously suggesting that they could have missed a body in a bag??
Do you see Eddie putting his nose up near the shelf where the bag had been just prior to alerting in the bedroom?
Do you see the bag there on the night photo?
Do you see the wardrobe door moved and no sign of the bag in the day photo? 
Who moved the door between photo 1 and Photo 2?

What was in the bag?  Was there a dead piglet in it? (Remember Eddie can't distinguish between pig and human flesh.)   It had been left over night possibly so plenty of time for cadaver odour to develop?

I'm not saying the forensic lady missed the body in the bag next day, no because it was there one minute and gone the next, but when did that disappearance occur?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1351 on: March 25, 2018, 09:43:43 PM »
Do you see Eddie putting his nose up near the shelf where the bag had been just prior to alerting in the bedroom?
Do you see the bag there on the night photo?
Do you see the wardrobe door moved and no sign of the bag in the day photo? 
Who moved the door between photo 1 and Photo 2?

What was in the bag?  Was there a dead piglet in it? (Remember Eddie can't distinguish between pig and human flesh.)   It had been left over night possibly so plenty of time for cadaver odour to develop?

I'm not saying the forensic lady missed the body in the bag next day, no because it was there one minute and gone the next, but when did that disappearance occur?

So Eddiebput his nose up but did not alert to a whole cadaver in a bag

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1352 on: March 25, 2018, 09:47:21 PM »
If they were as incompetent as some on here love to claim, then perhaps they did.
It is not incompetence.  I would think it is a matter of being several steps behind those that are committing the crime.

If it was an uncomplicated abduction (stranger abduction) the bag would not be moved between photo 1 and Photo 2.
IMO that has to be done by someone who had access to the apartment after photo 1 was taken.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1353 on: March 25, 2018, 09:49:44 PM »
So Eddiebput his nose up but did not alert to a whole cadaver in a bag
The dogs arrived months after the event.  The bag is long gone by August.
« Last Edit: March 25, 2018, 10:25:38 PM by Robittybob1 »
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1354 on: March 25, 2018, 10:30:36 PM »
I would say that's, probably the most ridiculous, ideas, we've, had, on the, forum including those, who were just joking
You need to look at the list of events I outline again and refute it logically and not just emotionally by using emotive words like "that's, probably the most ridiculous, ideas, we've, had, on the, forum including those, who were just joking", that is not an argument that carries any weight.

The list:
"Do you see Eddie putting his nose up near the shelf where the bag had been just prior to alerting in the bedroom?
Do you see the bag there on the night photo?
Do you see the wardrobe door moved and no sign of the bag in the day photo? 
Who moved the door between photo 1 and Photo 2?

What was in the bag?  Was there a dead piglet in it? (Remember Eddie can't distinguish between pig and human flesh.)   It had been left over night possibly so plenty of time for cadaver odour to develop?
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Offline Carana

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1355 on: March 25, 2018, 11:21:29 PM »
So Madeleine was supposed to be in a bag in the cupboard, which the forensic people never noticed, hours after some believe that Gerry was supposed to have been carrying her down towards the beach?

How does that work?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1356 on: March 25, 2018, 11:44:17 PM »
So Madeleine was supposed to be in a bag in the cupboard, which the forensic people never noticed, hours after some believe that Gerry was supposed to have been carrying her down towards the beach?

How does that work?
No.  That is what GA thought at times too (I'd say this from looking at the arguido questions), but it becomes too complicated because then the body was removed from the apartment under his watch.  No one can figure out that dilemma.  Dilemma: How can she be carried away by Smithman and be in the suitcase at the same time?

IMO that suggests it can't be Madeleine in the suitcase.  I'm more in favour of the replacement child theory, or some variant of that rare occurrence.
Whoever knew the body was in the suitcase just needs to remove it at some time before the PJ return the next morning.  Were there GNR guarding the apartment all night?  Was it possible to enter the apartment after the PJ call it a night?
« Last Edit: March 25, 2018, 11:52:51 PM by Robittybob1 »
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Offline jassi

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1357 on: March 26, 2018, 08:26:57 AM »
No.  That is what GA thought at times too (I'd say this from looking at the arguido questions), but it becomes too complicated because then the body was removed from the apartment under his watch.  No one can figure out that dilemma.  Dilemma: How can she be carried away by Smithman and be in the suitcase at the same time?

IMO that suggests it can't be Madeleine in the suitcase.  I'm more in favour of the replacement child theory, or some variant of that rare occurrence.
Whoever knew the body was in the suitcase just needs to remove it at some time before the PJ return the next morning.  Were there GNR guarding the apartment all night?  Was it possible to enter the apartment after the PJ call it a night?

Alternatively it could mean that it wasn't Madeleine being carried by Smithman
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
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Or maybe not -

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1358 on: March 26, 2018, 08:28:34 AM »
Alternatively it could mean that it wasn't Madeleine being carried by Smithman
True, but then I think Smithman would have come forward by now IMO.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1359 on: March 26, 2018, 09:04:41 AM »
True, but then I think Smithman would have come forward by now IMO.

Tannerman didn't come forward but was traced

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1360 on: March 26, 2018, 09:24:55 AM »
Tannerman didn't come forward but was traced
I'm not sure about that?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1361 on: March 26, 2018, 09:48:19 AM »
I'm not sure about that?

I think he, was traced through the creche records

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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1363 on: March 26, 2018, 09:20:40 PM »
I haven't discarded the possibility that she may have died in the apartment, just as I haven't eliminated the possibility that she may have been alive when she disappeared from it.

This is a very good post Carana.  It takes me to thinking why the parents feel offended at the thought their daughter may have died in the apartment - and dismiss the dogs scent. It just makes no sense at all.

« Last Edit: March 26, 2018, 09:29:58 PM by Angelo222 »
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence
« Reply #1364 on: March 26, 2018, 10:59:54 PM »
Rob, are you suggesting that her body was in whatever that dark blob (sack / case, whatever) in the wardrobe despite both the GNR searches and, more importantly, the forensic PJ unit having beenn there that night?
Please can someone clear up when the PJ forensic team turned up?  When do you think it happened Carana?  I know photos were taken of the scene on the night of the 3rd/4th.  I have this impression finger printing was delayed till the next day i.e on the 4th day time. 
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