Where is the alert on Cuddle Cat happening and is it on video?

[Robittybob1]

There is an apparent contradiction as to where the positive alert occurred.  I am now aware that when Grimes talks of alert by Eddie on CC this was supposed to have occurred in the place where the clothes were examined, but we generally think this occurred at the villa, but Grimes is quoted this did not happen at the villa.  I don't have the quotes for this on hand but I will provide them as soon as I can.

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[Robittybob1]

"4 - In the "Vista do Mar" villa, the house that was rented by the McCanns after leaving the Ocean's Club, the dog "marked" the area of a wardrobe that contained inside the soft toy that belonged to Madeleine McCann (cf. page 2099 and/or annex 88);"

Who wrote that?  it is in the Archiving letter "4592 to 4649 Letter to the Attorney General regarding investigation details"  So I assume written by a Portuguese official.

Was that sentence meant to imply CC was the source of the alert?  It is anyone's guess IMO.

[Robittybob1]

"6. The clothes and belongings of the McCann family

- Cadaver odour dog
* on two pieces of clothing belonging to Kate Healy.
* On a piece of clothing belonging to Madeleine.
* Possibly, on a soft toy belonging to Madeleine (cadaver odour was detected when the toy was still in the residence (on the date it was occupied by the family)).
* Signalling was confirmed in a scenario outside the villa."

Was the signalling on CC confirmed "in a scenario outside the villa"?

Confirmed to me it was repeated. 

"confirm

verb
verb: confirm; 3rd person present: confirms; past tense: confirmed; past participle: confirmed; gerund or present participle: confirming
1.
establish the truth or correctness of (something previously believed or suspected to be the case).
"if these fears are confirmed, the outlook for the economy will be dire"
state with assurance that a report or fact is true.
"he confirmed that the general was in the hands of the rebels"
synonyms:   affirm, reaffirm, assert, reassert, give an assurance, assure someone, repeat, say again, state again, pledge, promise, guarantee
"he confirmed that engineers would examine the road"
antonyms:   deny
reinforce someone in (an opinion or feeling).
"he fuelled his misogyny by cultivating women who confirmed him in this view"
synonyms:   corroborate, bear out, verify, show the truth of, prove, validate, authenticate, substantiate, give substance to, justify, vouch for, vindicate, give credence to, support, uphold, back up
"written records confirm the archaeological evidence"
antonyms:   contradict, repudiate
make (a provisional arrangement or appointment) definite.
"Mr Baker's assistant telephoned to confirm his appointment with the chairman"
make (a decision or an agreement) formally valid.
"the organization has confirmed the appointment of Mr Collins as managing director"
synonyms:   ratify, validate, sanction, endorse, formalize, certify, underwrite, authorize, warrant, accredit, approve, recognize, agree to, consent to, accept
"his appointment as ambassador was confirmed by the President"
antonyms:   revoke
declare (someone) formally to be appointed to a particular post.
"he was confirmed as the new EC peace envoy"
Source: 3948 to 3964 - Intercalary Report by Inspector Joao Carlos 31-01-2008

[Robittybob1]

G-unit gave us some references to check: http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9213.msg450571#msg450571

"Cuddlecat was taken from the McCann's villa with the clothes and other items. Whether either or both dogs alerted to it isn't recorded, but it was returned to the McCanns on 3rd along with the other items taken. Gerry signed for them.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P8/08_VOLUME_VIIIa_Page_2125.jpg
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CLOTHES.htm "

[Robittybob1]

Davel: http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9213.msg450574#msg450574

  "Grime confirmed eddie signalled CC in his rogatory" 

OK let's look at what he says:
"'Can you confirm if the signal given regarding the stuffed toy corresponds to a concrete alert of detection of a cadaver, or a mere trick played by the dog''
The dogs were not taught any 'tricks'. EVRD 'signalled' the toy, which at my request was retained by the Judicial Police for future forensic analysis. I have no knowledge of the results of any forensic analysis on the toy."

OK it doesn't say where this alert occurs.  We are trying to work out where the signalling occurred.

[Mr Gray]

Davel: http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9213.msg450574#msg450574

  "Grime confirmed eddie signalled CC in his rogatory" 

OK let's look at what he says:
"'Can you confirm if the signal given regarding the stuffed toy corresponds to a concrete alert of detection of a cadaver, or a mere trick played by the dog''
The dogs were not taught any 'tricks'. EVRD 'signalled' the toy, which at my request was retained by the Judicial Police for future forensic analysis. I have no knowledge of the results of any forensic analysis on the toy."

OK it doesn't say where this alert occurs.  We are trying to work out where the signalling occurred.

its on video in the apartment

[Robittybob1]

G-unit gave us some references to check: http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9213.msg450571#msg450571

"Cuddlecat was taken from the McCann's villa with the clothes and other items. Whether either or both dogs alerted to it isn't recorded, but it was returned to the McCanns on 3rd along with the other items taken. Gerry signed for them.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P8/08_VOLUME_VIIIa_Page_2125.jpg
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CLOTHES.htm "

How did you work out whether the signature is for the picking up or return of these items?
Either way CC was boxed along with the other items but is there video footage of CC being confirmed as an alert along with the clothes?

[Mr Gray]

How did you work out whether the signature is for the picking up or return of these items?
Either way CC was boxed along with the other items but is there video footage of CC being confirmed as an alert along with the clothes?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1617.0

[Robittybob1]

its on video in the apartment

I disputed that on a previous thread.  IMO Eddie did not alert  to CC in the Villa, he plays with it in the lounge, and does not bark.  Is that a signal even though there was no barking?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1617.0

He barks at the sideboard but there is no proof CC was inside the sideboard at that time.  We had just seen CC lying on the floor, and later he is in the cupboard.  How and when did it get from one place to the other?

[Mr Gray]

I disputed that on a previous thread.  IMO Eddie did not alert  to CC in the Villa, he plays with it in the lounge, and does not bark.  Is that a signal even though there was no barking?
He barks at the sideboard but there is no proof CC was inside the sideboard at that time.  We had just seen CC lying on the floor, and later he is in the cupboard.  How and when did it get from one place to the other?

You can see grime pick CC out of the cupboard...eddie ignores CC several times...according to Grime this is an alert...and he is supposed to be the expert...thats ONE of the things that makes me think the alerts are not the exact science some imagine they are

[Robittybob1]

You can see grime pick CC out of the cupboard...eddie ignores CC several times...according to Grime this is an alert...and he is supposed to be the expert...thats ONE of the things that makes me think the alerts are not the exact science some imagine they are

Eddie alerted at the sideboard and behind the table for some reason, but there is no proof CC was any where near there at the time of those two sessions of barking.

[misty]

Eddie alerted at the sideboard and behind the table for some reason, but there is no proof CC was any where near there at the time of those two sessions of barking.

The major giveaway is Grime first going to open the far cupboard door.
Eddie sniffed at the table before barking beside the chair. Unfortunately, we cannot see if anything was on the chair or under the pillow on the table.

[Robittybob1]

"- OBJECTS FOR EXAMINATION
1. One (01) pink cloth toy, with yellow paws and ears and blue label, make "cuddle cat", with a third in wood and a green band, alluding to Fatima, that was found in the lounge on top of a large chair [armchair]."

2097 to 2098 Result of search at McCann rental villa 2007.08.02
2099 to 2109 Information regarding various inspection sites with photographic report
TRANSLATED BY ALBYM
08 -PROCESSO 8 PAGES 2098 TO 2109


What does that mean - "found"?  Was that before or after it had been moved to different parts of the villa?

[Robittybob1]

- 18h36 - the dog Eddy, that detects cadaver odour, 'marked' [alerted in] the area of a cupboard in the lounge, it being confirmed that the dog indicated a pink soft toy belonging to Madeleine Beth McCann.
from:
2097 to 2098 Result of search at McCann rental villa 2007.08.02
2099 to 2109 Information regarding various inspection sites with photographic report
TRANSLATED BY ALBYM
08 -PROCESSO 8 PAGES 2098 TO 2109



That looked more like the dining room to me.

EDDIE & KEELA REPORT

"6.36pm - The dog Eddie, who detects cadaver odours, "marked" the area of a cupboard in the living room. On checking, the dog was indicating a pink soft toy belonging to Madeleine McCann. "


Now it is the living room.

[Robittybob1]

Eddie & Keela Martin Grime Report  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm


"CANINE SEARCH OF MR McCANN'S VILLA, PRESENT OCCUPANCY.

The villa interior, garden, and all property within were searched by the EVRD.
The only alert indication given was when the dog located a pink cuddly toy in
the villas lounge. The CSI dog did not alert to the toy when screened
separately.

It is my view that it is possible that the EVRD is alerting to cadaver scent
contamination. No evidential or intelligence reliability can be made from this
alert unless it can be confirmed with corroborating evidence."


So is that Martin saying the alert was when it was in the lounge when he found it in the toy bin (picks it up and carries it but doesn't bark).  No mention of the test in the sideboard.

"* Can you say whether the indication given to the cuddly toy corresponds to a concrete alert to dead body scent or to a mere dog playing trick ?"  21 to 25 Witness statement of Martin Grime 2008.05.14
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm