A Simple Question.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Some leaks took place according to Rebeiro. The rest of your post is speculation on your part in my opinion.

IMO the police used the papers to portray the McCanns in a negative or suspicious light.

[faithlilly]

IMO the police used the papers to portray the McCanns in a negative or suspicious light.

And the McCanns did exactly the same to the PJ. You have to wonder why they did that ?

[G-Unit]

IMO the police used the papers to portray the McCanns in a negative or suspicious light.

How do you know what their motives were? Do you have a cite or are relying on 'stands to reason' again?

[Brietta]

In my opinion there was only one aim in the constant press onslaught directed against the McCanns ... starting with "A Badly Told Story" in the 'golden hours' ... and in my opinion it had the potential to be spectacularly successful.

[Carana]

Was it the police or people connected to the police?

JOSE MANUEL OLIVEIRA
Crime reporter, 'Diario de Noticias'
Information started circulating from sources connected to the Portuguese police that the story was full of holes from the side of the McCanns and their friends.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/7106086.stm

05 DE MAIO DE 2007
20:49
José Manuel Oliveira e Paula Martinheira

O desaparecimento de Madeleine McCann, a criança inglesa de três anos que se encontrava de férias em Lagos, "é uma história muito mal contada", confidenciou ao DN fonte da Polícia Judiciária de Portimão. A afirmação reflecte as dúvidas das autoridades face aos depoimentos "confusos" expressos ontem pelas testemunhas ao longo de todo o dia.

A afirmação reflecte as dúvidas das autoridades face aos depoimentos "confusos" expressos ontem pelas testemunhas ao longo de todo o dia.

https://www.dn.pt/dossiers/sociedade/caso-maddie/noticias/interior/esta-e-uma-historia-muito-mal-contada-977892.html


I understand that to mean: "... a Portimão PJ source confided to DN".

That was published on 5 May, the day after they were first interviewed. It says that the comment reflects the authorities' doubts over "confused" statements.

[G-Unit]

In my opinion there was only one aim in the constant press onslaught directed against the McCanns ... starting with "A Badly Told Story" in the 'golden hours' ... and in my opinion it had the potential to be spectacularly successful.

Posting an opinion is one thing. Claiming as fact that the Portuguese police 'used the papers to portray the McCanns in a negative or suspicious light' is another, and is against forum rules as I understand them. Could you perhaps clarify that for me?

[Brietta]

Posting an opinion is one thing. Claiming as fact that the Portuguese police 'used the papers to portray the McCanns in a negative or suspicious light' is another, and is against forum rules as I understand them. Could you perhaps clarify that for me?

In my opinion there was only one aim in the constant press onslaught directed against the McCanns ... starting with "A Badly Told Story" in the 'golden hours' ... and in my opinion it had the potential to be spectacularly successful.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9247.msg451528#msg451528

Misrepresenting another member's post is against forum rules and in my opinion that is precisely what you are attempting to do here.  DESIST!

[ShiningInLuz]

In my opinion there was only one aim in the constant press onslaught directed against the McCanns ... starting with "A Badly Told Story" in the 'golden hours' ... and in my opinion it had the potential to be spectacularly successful.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9247.msg451528#msg451528

Misrepresenting another member's post is against forum rules and in my opinion that is precisely what you are attempting to do here.  DESIST!

I think you have missed the point.

The DN report claims the Portimão PJ leaked.

Presumably the Portimão PJ did leak, unless the DN reporters invented it.  I have nothing beyond the DN report to go on with that one, so I am not going to push on this aspect.

IIRC, the UK press had by this point raised jemmied shutters, from a McCann source.  Please correct me if my timing is out.  Since there were no jemmied shutters, it was indeed a badly told/leaked story.

The question G-Unit is asking is valid.  A poster has stated as fact the police were using (manipulating) the Portuguese press.  Without wrapping it in an IMO.

It should have been wrapped in an IMO, not stated as a fact.

Unless the said user can show there was intent on the part of the PJ to use (manipulate) the press to convey the McCanns in a negative light.

[slartibartfast]

I think you have missed the point.

The DN report claims the Portimão PJ leaked.

Presumably the Portimão PJ did leak, unless the DN reporters invented it.  I have nothing beyond the DN report to go on with that one, so I am not going to push on this aspect.

IIRC, the UK press had by this point raised jemmied shutters, from a McCann source.  Please correct me if my timing is out.  Since there were no jemmied shutters, it was indeed a badly told/leaked story.

The question G-Unit is asking is valid.  A poster has stated as fact the police were using (manipulating) the Portuguese press.  Without wrapping it in an IMO.

It should have been wrapped in an IMO, not stated as a fact.

Unless the said user can show there was intent on the part of the PJ to use (manipulate) the press to convey the McCanns in a negative light.

I would agree with that. It is very easy for the press to talk to a retired or ex police officer or even someone who worked for the police to get their opinion and they can then quote a “police source”.

[Brietta]

I think you have missed the point.

The DN report claims the Portimão PJ leaked.

Presumably the Portimão PJ did leak, unless the DN reporters invented it.  I have nothing beyond the DN report to go on with that one, so I am not going to push on this aspect.

IIRC, the UK press had by this point raised jemmied shutters, from a McCann source.  Please correct me if my timing is out.  Since there were no jemmied shutters, it was indeed a badly told/leaked story.

The question G-Unit is asking is valid.  A poster has stated as fact the police were using (manipulating) the Portuguese press.  Without wrapping it in an IMO.

It should have been wrapped in an IMO, not stated as a fact.

Unless the said user can show there was intent on the part of the PJ to use (manipulate) the press to convey the McCanns in a negative light.

           NB ... I am not that "said user"!

[ShiningInLuz]

           NB ... I am not that "said user"!

I know and knew you were not the said user.

DN reported the story - fact as we have the report.

The Portuguese police may or may not have intentionally maligned the McCanns.  I don't know the truth of that one way or the other.

However, the issue was whether someone can claim that as a fact.  If someone can show compelling evidence that that is how it went, then I will accept it most readily and gratefully as a small step forward in this case.

Until then, such comments should be opinion, not dressed up as fact.

[Carana]

The leaked diary.

Mr Jay

Was there anything about the diary which caused you to speculate as to its source or was your state of mind the same as it had been previously?
Link in context
Link
Mr Daniel Sanderson

Thinking back, I mean it had obviously been translated from English to Portuguese. I mean, the source was -- I suppose, thinking back, it must have come from the Portuguese police, absolutely.
Mr Jay

Why do you say that?
Mr Daniel Sanderson

From memory, when I was looking through the documents, I believe there were comments on certain pages, I think. I can't remember.
Mr Jay

Which -- obviously you don't speak Portuguese --
Mr Daniel Sanderson

No, but there were notes and comments, and I don't know, it looked like some kind of official document, if that makes any sense.
Mr Jay

So was it at that point that you realised that the source was probably the Portuguese police?
Mr Daniel Sanderson

Oh yes, no absolutely, absolutely.
Mr Jay

Did that cause you any concerns?
Mr Daniel Sanderson

The whole thing caused me concern. The whole thing caused me concern.
http://leveson.sayit.mysociety.org/hearing-15-december-2011/mr-daniel-sanderson



Kate 'complained frequently'
2007-09-13 14:25

Lisbon - Portuguese newspapers on Thursday quoted what they said were extracts from the personal diary of Kate McCann, portraying her as a woman worn out by her three children, including missing toddler Madeleine.

The daily Publico said a copy of the diary had been seized during a police search of the Portuguese holiday home of the couple, who have been named as official suspects in the search for Madeleine.

Jornal de Noticias said the diary and other personal documents were now in the hands of examining magistrate Pedro Danielo dos Anjos Frias, who under Portuguese law must rule if they can be used as evidence.

Correio da Manha said that Kate McCann complained frequently in her diary that her children were "hysterical" and Madeleine in particular was hyperactive, while her husband Gerry did not help in household tasks.

According to Publico, events following the disappearance of Madeleine from the family's holiday apartment on May 3 while her parents were dining nearby with friends, are also described.

They include "the mother's anguish and despair, the solidarity of friends and the impact in the media", Publico said, adding that the police were interested in making comparisons or checking for contradictions in the various entries.

Publico said Portuguese prosecutors had asked the judge to summon Kate McCann back to Portugal from Britain, where they returned on Sunday.

According to Philomena McCann, Kate's sister-in-law, police suspect her of accidentally killing Madeleine then hiding her body.
https://www.news24.com/World/News/Kate-complained-frequently-20070913


A thread on leaks here:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5973.0

[Vertigo Swirl]

Who told the Telegraph there was 100% match?  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1562710/Madeleine-McCann-DNA-an-accurate-match.html

[Mr Gray]

Who told the Telegraph there was 100% match?  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1562710/Madeleine-McCann-DNA-an-accurate-match.html

It can only be the PJ who were leaking

[Vertigo Swirl]

It can only be the PJ who were leaking

But we are not allowed to use reason to state that they did this to build up a perception of the McCanns as the guilty parties, in order to put pressure on the couple to confess. We must say there were leaks but who knows why IMO the police leaked?  Incompetence?  Greed?  Malice?  Take your pick!