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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Kate and Gerry have both publicly contested the cadaver alerts?
« Reply #120 on: March 26, 2018, 04:28:23 PM »
So - a forensic inspection prior to the dog alerts, or not.

 8((()*/

No but the car was driven by at least one or more pj officers prior to the inspection... There, was no real cadaver, alert to the car... as both dogs alerted and blood was found on the key fob... So my argument of possible contamination stands

byron

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Re: Kate and Gerry have both publicly contested the cadaver alerts?
« Reply #121 on: March 26, 2018, 04:39:15 PM »
Processos Vol XII
Pages 3229 – 3241


Report of Forensic Examination

Requested by : Portimao DIC

Date 10 August 2007

Examination Initiated on 6 August 2007


REQUEST



The report of the examination of the vehicle, make Renault, model Scenic, of grey metallic colour with number plate 59-DA-27 which is parked in the underground car park, floor 4, Largo 1 de Maio opposite Portimao Municipal Chambers is requested.


OBSERVATIONS AND ANALYSES CARRIED OUT

On 6th August 2007 at about 15.30 a team from the Crime Scene Sector of the Scientific Police, composed of those signed below, upon the request of the PJ Portimao DIC went to an underground car park opposite the Portimao Municipal Chambers with the aim of collecting forensic vestiges from the Renault Scenic vehicle, number plate 59-DA-27.


In accordance with the request officers from Portimao DIC present at the scene the undersigned should proceed to the search and gathering of eventual biological vestiges and fibres from the vehicle in reference.

Those undersigned were also asked to enter into contact with a scientific advisor of English nationality, Jonathan Smith so that he could indicate the manner in which to proceed to gather the stains in question.

This contact informed the undersigned that in a first phase they should proceed to search and gather hairs, followed by fibres and subsequently eventual blood vestiges. During the search for these vestiges and alternating source of light should be used and the Kastle-Mayer test, the eventual blood vestiges should be collected by means of two swabs for each stain, the kind of swabs usually used by teams from this sector, the gathering should be made by the direct application of the swab on the stain and another should be gathered using a second swab moistened with distilled water.


Finally, and after the examination conducted by this team a canine from the British police should be placed inside the vehicle, specialised in detecting human blood vestiges. But he informed that if the animal in question indicated the presence of eventual human blood vestiges inside the vehicle, the components of the areas indicated should be gathered and sent for laboratory analysis.

If, after the presence of the animal inside the vehicle, no eventual blood vestiges were found the chemical product Luminol should be used and if the results continued to be negative, the vehicle should be completely dismantles and analysed piece by piece.


Observation of the outside of the car was initiated, no relevant forensic vestiges being detected for carrying out the examination in reference. The following are photos of the outside of the vehicle and its number plate.


Photos 1 – 3 Front and back of the vehicle subject to examination and detail of the number plate:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P12/ ... e_3231.jpg



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Photos 4 – 7. Left and right sides of the Vehicle in question and detail of some posters and stickers on the windows.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P12/12_V ... e_3232.jpg


The examination of the interior of the vehicle was initiated, register was also taken of the kilometres clocked – 9329 km.

Photos 8 – 10 Front right left interiors of car and detail of kilometres clocked up.



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Photos 11 – 13 Back left and right interiors of vehicle and the luggage compartment where there two more seats with baby chairs.

Photos 14 – 16 Shot of the inside of the luggage boot of the vehicle and detail of the inside

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P12/12_V ... e_3233.jpg


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Photos 17 – 19 Detail of various materials that were in the boot of the vehicle and two baby seats that were in the luggage compartment.

Observation and location of vestiges was made by means of using the techniques of direct observation and an LW Gold Panther Forensic Light Source Kit with white light and various complementary features appropriate for the purpose.

During the first phase search and collection of hairs was carried out using tweezers appropriate and conditioned for the purpose in paper wrapping. The following vestiges resulted from this search:

1A. Head hair collected from the driver’s seat.
2A. Head hair collected to the right of passenger’s seat.
2B. Head hair collected from the floor next to the right front passenger’s seat.
3. Head hair collected between the front seats.
4A. Head hair collected from the left area of the back seat.
5A. Head hair collected from the middle area of the back seat.
6A. Head hair collected from the right area of the back seat.
7A. Head hair collected from the left seat of the luggage area.

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8A. Head hair collected from the right seat of the luggage area.
9. Head hair collected from the vehicle luggage area.


Also collected from this search:

1D. Nail fragment collected in the floor in front of the driver’s seat.
2E. Nail fragment collected in the floor in front of the driver’s seat.

Subsequently, fibres were collected using plastic stickers appropriate for this type of collection (hairs could also have been collected together with the fibres).



1B. Fibres and possible head hair from the back of the driver’s seat.
1C. Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom of the driver’s seat.
2C. Fibres and possible head hair from the back of the right front passenger’s seat.
2D. Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom of the right front passenger’s seat.
4B. Fibres and possible head hair from the back in the left area of the back seat.
4C. Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom in the left area of the back seat.
5B. Fibres and possible head hair from the back in the middle area of the back seat.
5C. Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom in the middle area of the back seat.
6B. Fibres and possible head hair from the back in the right area of the back seat.
6C. Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom in the right area of the back seat.
7B. Fibres and possible head hair from the back of the left seat in the vehicle luggage area.
7C. Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom in the left area of the back seat.
8B. Fibres and possible head hair from the back of the right seat in the vehicle luggage area.


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8C. Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom of the right seat in the vehicle luggage area.
11. Fibres and possible head hair in the rear shelf/luggage cover.
13. Pattern sample of the fabric covering the vehicle seats.

Finally, a minutely detailed search was made for eventual blood vestiges and any other biological vestiges in the interior of the vehicle.

From the observations made inside the vehicle several areas were detected containing stains that appeared to be of haematic origin, they were subjected to tests looking for peroxide existing in blood using the Kastle-Mayer test, all of them reacted negatively.

A general search was also made looking for blood vestiges from more expectable parts of the interior of the vehicle (the jack, accelerator pedal, hand break, door handles, car key, vehicles controls etc) which underwent the same test looking for peroxide by the Kastle-Mayer test, all reacted negatively
.


No blood or biological vestiges were found in this test.

Photos 20-21 Shots of the from interior of the car where vestiges n 1 – 3 were collected from.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P12/12_V ... e_3236.jpg


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Photos 22 – 23 Shot of the back seats of the vehicle where vestiges 4 and 6 were taken from.

Photos 24 and 25 Shots of the interior of the luggage compartment where vestiges 7 9 were taken from.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P12/12_V ... e_3237.jpg

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Photo 26: Shot of the mat from the luggage compartment where vestige number 11 was taken from.

After the examination of the vehicle was complete the human blood specialist sniffer dog was introduced along with Martin Grime of the British police who coordinated the dog’s movements. After a few moments Mr Grime informed the team that they should collect the key and other materials from zone M or from the interior of the luggage compartment given the fact that the dog in reference had identified these materials as places where eventual blood vestiges existed. The undersigned gathered these materials placing them in paper envelopes with the following references:

10. Parts of the vehicle luggage area.
12. Vehicle ignition key.

Photos 27 and 28: Detail of the part of the luggage compartment alerted to by the sniffer dog.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P12/12_V ... e_3238.jpg


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Photos 29- 30: Detail of materials referred to as vestige 10 taken from the area marked by the sniffer dog and sent for analysis.


Photo 31: Detail of the key referred to as vestige n 12.


CONCLUSION

In the examination carried out on the vehicle Renault Scenic number plate 59-DA-27 parked in the underground car park opposite the Portimao Municipal Chambers the following vestiges were referenced and collected:

1A. Head hair collected from the driver’s seat.
1B. Fibres and possible head hair from the back of the driver’s seat.
1C. Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom of the driver’s seat.
1D. Nail fragment collected in the floor in front of the driver’s seat.
2A. Head hair collected to the right of passenger’s seat.


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2B. Head hair collected from the floor next to the right front passenger’s seat.
2C. Fibres and possible head hair from the back of the right front passenger’s seat.
2D. Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom of the right front passenger’s seat.
2E. Nail fragment collected in the floor in front of the driver’s seat.
3. Head hair collected between the front seats.
4A. Head hair collected from the left area of the back seat.
4B. Fibres and possible head hair from the back in the left area of the back seat.
4C. Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom in the left area of the back seat.
5A. Head hair collected from the middle area of the back seat.
5B. Fibres and possible head hair from the back in the middle area of the back seat.
5C. Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom in the middle area of the back seat.
6A. Head hair collected from the right area of the back seat.
6B. Fibres and possible head hair from the back in the right area of the back seat.
6C. Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom in the right area of the back seat.
7A. Head hair collected from the left seat of the luggage area.
7B. Fibres and possible head hair from the back of the left seat in the vehicle luggage area.
7C. Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom in the left area of the back seat.
8A. Head hair collected from the right seat of the luggage area
8B. Fibres and possible head hair from the back of the right seat in the vehicle luggage area.
8C. Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom of the right seat in the vehicle luggage area.
9. Head hair collected from the vehicle luggage area.
10. Parts of the vehicle luggage area.
11. Fibres and possible head hair in the rear shelf/luggage cover.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P12/12_V ... e_3240.jpg

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12. Vehicle ignition key.
13. Pattern sample of the fabric covering the vehicle seats.

Finally, two swabs were taken from Assistant Specialist Vilhena as well as fibre from his clothes given that he had driven the vehicle to the car park, these have the reference numbers vestiges 14 and 15.

According to the request from Portimao DIC the material referenced from 1 – 15 was delivered to the FSS laboratories in Birmingham with delivery guide 286/C – CR/L for subsequent laboratory analysis.

Lisbon 27 September 2007

Signed

Fernando Viegas Um Henriques
Forensics specialists
« Last Edit: March 26, 2018, 05:06:52 PM by byron »

Offline Brietta

Re: Kate and Gerry have both publicly contested the cadaver alerts?
« Reply #122 on: March 26, 2018, 05:07:39 PM »
Processos Vol XII
Pages 3229 – 3241


Report of Forensic Examination

Requested by : Portimao DIC

Date 10 August 2007

Examination Initiated on 6 August 2007


REQUEST



The report of the examination of the vehicle, make Renault, model Scenic, of grey metallic colour with number plate 59-DA-27 which is parked in the underground car park, floor 4, Largo 1 de Maio opposite Portimao Municipal Chambers is requested.


OBSERVATIONS AND ANALYSES CARRIED OUT

On 6th August 2007 at about 15.30 a team from the Crime Scene Sector of the Scientific Police, composed of those signed below, upon the request of the PJ Portimao DIC went to an underground car park opposite the Portimao Municipal Chambers with the aim of collecting forensic vestiges from the Renault Scenic vehicle, number plate 59-DA-27.


In accordance with the request officers from Portimao DIC present at the scene the undersigned should proceed to the search and gathering of eventual biological vestiges and fibres from the vehicle in reference.

Those undersigned were also asked to enter into contact with a scientific advisor of English nationality, Jonathan Smith so that he could indicate the manner in which to proceed to gather the stains in question.

This contact informed the undersigned that in a first phase they should proceed to search and gather hairs, followed by fibres and subsequently eventual blood vestiges. During the search for these vestiges and alternating source of light should be used and the Kastle-Mayer test, the eventual blood vestiges should be collected by means of two swabs for each stain, the kind of swabs usually used by teams from this sector, the gathering should be made by the direct application of the swab on the stain and another should be gathered using a second swab moistened with distilled water.


Finally, and after the examination conducted by this team a canine from the British police should be placed inside the vehicle, specialised in detecting human blood vestiges. But he informed that if the animal in question indicated the presence of eventual human blood vestiges inside the vehicle, the components of the areas indicated should be gathered and sent for laboratory analysis.

If, after the presence of the animal inside the vehicle, no eventual blood vestiges were found the chemical product Luminol should be used and if the results continued to be negative, the vehicle should be completely dismantles and analysed piece by piece.


Observation of the outside of the car was initiated, no relevant forensic vestiges being detected for carrying out the examination in reference. The following are photos of the outside of the vehicle and its number plate.


Photos 1 – 3 Front and back of the vehicle subject to examination and detail of the number plate:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P12/ ... e_3231.jpg



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Photos 4 – 7. Left and right sides of the Vehicle in question and detail of some posters and stickers on the windows.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P12/12_V ... e_3232.jpg


The examination of the interior of the vehicle was initiated, register was also taken of the kilometres clocked – 9329 km.

Photos 8 – 10 Front right left interiors of car and detail of kilometres clocked up.



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Photos 11 – 13 Back left and right interiors of vehicle and the luggage compartment where there two more seats with baby chairs.

Photos 14 – 16 Shot of the inside of the luggage boot of the vehicle and detail of the inside

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P12/12_V ... e_3233.jpg


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Photos 17 – 19 Detail of various materials that were in the boot of the vehicle and two baby seats that were in the luggage compartment.

Observation and location of vestiges was made by means of using the techniques of direct observation and an LW Gold Panther Forensic Light Source Kit with white light and various complementary features appropriate for the purpose.

During the first phase search and collection of hairs was carried out using tweezers appropriate and conditioned for the purpose in paper wrapping. The following vestiges resulted from this search:

1A. Head hair collected from the driver’s seat.
2A. Head hair collected to the right of passenger’s seat.
2B. Head hair collected from the floor next to the right front passenger’s seat.
3. Head hair collected between the front seats.
4A. Head hair collected from the left area of the back seat.
5A. Head hair collected from the middle area of the back seat.
6A. Head hair collected from the right area of the back seat.
7A. Head hair collected from the left seat of the luggage area.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P12/12_V ... e_3234.JPG



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8A. Head hair collected from the right seat of the luggage area.
9. Head hair collected from the vehicle luggage area.


Also collected from this search:

1D. Nail fragment collected in the floor in front of the driver’s seat.
2E. Nail fragment collected in the floor in front of the driver’s seat.

Subsequently, fibres were collected using plastic stickers appropriate for this type of collection (hairs could also have been collected together with the fibres).



1B. Fibres and possible head hair from the back of the driver’s seat.
1C. Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom of the driver’s seat.
2C. Fibres and possible head hair from the back of the right front passenger’s seat.
2D. Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom of the right front passenger’s seat.
4B. Fibres and possible head hair from the back in the left area of the back seat.
4C. Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom in the left area of the back seat.
5B. Fibres and possible head hair from the back in the middle area of the back seat.
5C. Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom in the middle area of the back seat.
6B. Fibres and possible head hair from the back in the right area of the back seat.
6C. Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom in the right area of the back seat.
7B. Fibres and possible head hair from the back of the left seat in the vehicle luggage area.
7C. Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom in the left area of the back seat.
8B. Fibres and possible head hair from the back of the right seat in the vehicle luggage area.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P12/12_V ... e_3235.jpg



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8C. Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom of the right seat in the vehicle luggage area.
11. Fibres and possible head hair in the rear shelf/luggage cover.
13. Pattern sample of the fabric covering the vehicle seats.

Finally, a minutely detailed search was made for eventual blood vestiges and any other biological vestiges in the interior of the vehicle.

From the observations made inside the vehicle several areas were detected containing stains that appeared to be of haematic origin, they were subjected to tests looking for peroxide existing in blood using the Kastle-Mayer test, all of them reacted negatively.

A general search was also made looking for blood vestiges from more expectable parts of the interior of the vehicle (the jack, accelerator pedal, hand break, door handles, car key, vehicles controls etc) which underwent the same test looking for peroxide by the Kastle-Mayer test, all reacted negatively.


No blood or biological vestiges were found in this test.

Photos 20-21 Shots of the from interior of the car where vestiges n 1 – 3 were collected from.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P12/12_V ... e_3236.jpg


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Photos 22 – 23 Shot of the back seats of the vehicle where vestiges 4 and 6 were taken from.

Photos 24 and 25 Shots of the interior of the luggage compartment where vestiges 7 9 were taken from.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P12/12_V ... e_3237.jpg

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Photo 26: Shot of the mat from the luggage compartment where vestige number 11 was taken from.

After the examination of the vehicle was complete the human blood specialist sniffer dog was introduced along with Martin Grime of the British police who coordinated the dog’s movements. After a few moments Mr Grime informed the team that they should collect the key and other materials from zone M or from the interior of the luggage compartment given the fact that the dog in reference had identified these materials as places where eventual blood vestiges existed. The undersigned gathered these materials placing them in paper envelopes with the following references:

10. Parts of the vehicle luggage area.
12. Vehicle ignition key.

Photos 27 and 28: Detail of the part of the luggage compartment alerted to by the sniffer dog.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P12/12_V ... e_3238.jpg


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Photos 29- 30: Detail of materials referred to as vestige 10 taken from the area marked by the sniffer dog and sent for analysis.


Photo 31: Detail of the key referred to as vestige n 12.


CONCLUSION

In the examination carried out on the vehicle Renault Scenic number plate 59-DA-27 parked in the underground car park opposite the Portimao Municipal Chambers the following vestiges were referenced and collected:

1A. Head hair collected from the driver’s seat.
1B. Fibres and possible head hair from the back of the driver’s seat.
1C. Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom of the driver’s seat.
1D. Nail fragment collected in the floor in front of the driver’s seat.
2A. Head hair collected to the right of passenger’s seat.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P12/12_V ... e_3239.JPG



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2B. Head hair collected from the floor next to the right front passenger’s seat.
2C. Fibres and possible head hair from the back of the right front passenger’s seat.
2D. Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom of the right front passenger’s seat.
2E. Nail fragment collected in the floor in front of the driver’s seat.
3. Head hair collected between the front seats.
4A. Head hair collected from the left area of the back seat.
4B. Fibres and possible head hair from the back in the left area of the back seat.
4C. Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom in the left area of the back seat.
5A. Head hair collected from the middle area of the back seat.
5B. Fibres and possible head hair from the back in the middle area of the back seat.
5C. Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom in the middle area of the back seat.
6A. Head hair collected from the right area of the back seat.
6B. Fibres and possible head hair from the back in the right area of the back seat.
6C. Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom in the right area of the back seat.
7A. Head hair collected from the left seat of the luggage area.
7B. Fibres and possible head hair from the back of the left seat in the vehicle luggage area.
7C. Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom in the left area of the back seat.
8A. Head hair collected from the right seat of the luggage area
8B. Fibres and possible head hair from the back of the right seat in the vehicle luggage area.
8C. Fibres and possible head hair from the bottom of the right seat in the vehicle luggage area.
9. Head hair collected from the vehicle luggage area.
10. Parts of the vehicle luggage area.
11. Fibres and possible head hair in the rear shelf/luggage cover.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P12/12_V ... e_3240.jpg

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12. Vehicle ignition key.
13. Pattern sample of the fabric covering the vehicle seats.

Finally, two swabs were taken from Assistant Specialist Vilhena as well as fibre from his clothes given that he had driven the vehicle to the car park, these have the reference numbers vestiges 14 and 15.

According to the request from Portimao DIC the material referenced from 1 – 15 was delivered to the FSS laboratories in Birmingham with delivery guide 286/C – CR/L for subsequent laboratory analysis.

Lisbon 27 September 2007

Signed

Fernando Viegas Um Henriques
Forensics specialists


Therefore it was a pretty thorough forensic examination which doesn't seem to have missed much.  With Martin Grime on hand to identify what had captured the dog interest within the vehicle ... which as we subsequently know had nothing at all to do with Madeleine.

In her book 'MADELEINE' Kate defined the despair and contempt she felt as Paiva stopped and started the video showing the search and Gerry's ignored request to have sight of the forensic results during their separate interviews. 

In my opinion they did indeed acknowledge the impossibility of outcomes they knew as innocents just had not happened ... and that the narrative presented to the world and to them had no forensic evidence to back it up.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Kate and Gerry have both publicly contested the cadaver alerts?
« Reply #123 on: March 26, 2018, 06:07:04 PM »
So why 5a and not any other apartment?
the answer is in my post.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline faithlilly

Re: Kate and Gerry have both publicly contested the cadaver alerts?
« Reply #124 on: March 26, 2018, 06:09:35 PM »
the answer is in my post.

Your answer does not explain why only 5a was contaminated and not any of the other friend’s apartment.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Kate and Gerry have both publicly contested the cadaver alerts?
« Reply #125 on: March 26, 2018, 06:10:48 PM »
Perhaps someone could explain why it is highly unlikely that Apartment 5a was contaminated with cadaver odour from a human (other than the missing child) or a pig at any point up to August 2007?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Kate and Gerry have both publicly contested the cadaver alerts?
« Reply #126 on: March 26, 2018, 06:12:03 PM »
Your answer does not explain why only 5a was contaminated and not any of the other friend’s apartment.
yes it does.  Apartment 5 a received far more attention from police and forensic teams that the other apartments, therefore more personnel for longer and more opportunity for cross contamination.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Kate and Gerry have both publicly contested the cadaver alerts?
« Reply #127 on: March 26, 2018, 06:17:58 PM »
Your answer does not explain why only 5a was contaminated and not any of the other friend’s apartment.

There was more time spent in 5a and places the dogs initially ignored... They eventually  alerted to... As in cuddle cat

Offline Carana

Re: Kate and Gerry have both publicly contested the cadaver alerts?
« Reply #128 on: March 26, 2018, 07:40:07 PM »
Processos Vol XII
Pages 3229 – 3241


Report of Forensic Examination

Requested by : Portimao DIC

Date 10 August 2007

Examination Initiated on 6 August 2007

snip

Many thanks, Byron, for digging that out.

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Kate and Gerry have both publicly contested the cadaver alerts?
« Reply #129 on: March 26, 2018, 09:09:09 PM »
yes it does.  Apartment 5 a received far more attention from police and forensic teams that the other apartments, therefore more personnel for longer and more opportunity for cross contamination.

Yes and no trace of an intruder was found...NOT because of bad forensics, but because none could be found... plenty of the parents and tapas would be there though-naturarily.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Kate and Gerry have both publicly contested the cadaver alerts?
« Reply #130 on: March 26, 2018, 09:12:10 PM »
Yes and no trace of an intruder was found...NOT because of bad forensics, but because none could be found... plenty of the parents and tapas would be there though-naturarily.

The bedclothes were sent to the laundry.. That's not bad forensics it's pathetic forensics

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Kate and Gerry have both publicly contested the cadaver alerts?
« Reply #131 on: March 26, 2018, 09:22:58 PM »
The bedclothes were sent to the laundry.. That's not bad forensics it's pathetic forensics

Kate did a washing and washed cuddle cat....so.... there were other forensics which could have been found. NONE were found.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Brietta

Re: Kate and Gerry have both publicly contested the cadaver alerts?
« Reply #132 on: March 26, 2018, 09:30:25 PM »
Kate did a washing and washed cuddle cat....so.... there were other forensics which could have been found. NONE were found.

To be of any value forensically in my opinion Cuddle Cat should have been bagged and entered into evidence on the night Madeleine disappeared.  It wasn't.
I'm afraid its forensic value seventy odd days down the line ... which is when it was washed ... would have been severely compromised and would very probably have been zilch.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Kate and Gerry have both publicly contested the cadaver alerts?
« Reply #133 on: March 26, 2018, 09:49:49 PM »
Yes and no trace of an intruder was found...NOT because of bad forensics, but because none could be found... plenty of the parents and tapas would be there though-naturarily.
This thread is about cadaver odour alerts, not evidence supporting abduction (though I do believe an unidentified print was found).
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Kate and Gerry have both publicly contested the cadaver alerts?
« Reply #134 on: March 26, 2018, 10:40:15 PM »
This thread is about cadaver odour alerts, not evidence supporting abduction (though I do believe an unidentified print was found).

Are you ruling out the fact that Maddie could have died and was removed thus leaving a cadaver scent?

The 'abductor' person who removed her from the apartment could have killed her...Just saying it is possible.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin