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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #1080 on: March 07, 2020, 01:21:38 PM »
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Simple really, not enough people care enough to raise awareness of the failures of the @ccrcupdate in assisting alleged innocent applicants and/or are willing to fight against the “real possibility test” and fresh evidence criteria and the reform or replacement of the CCRC.


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Hanksoff03
@hanksoff03
Feb 23
I care deeply and the more aware I become the more determined I am to do all I can - Freedom for http://RobinGarbuttOfficial.com


Why hasn’t the ‘penny dropped’ for Hanksoff03 that she is another of Robin Garbutts victims?

And why are those around her clearly playing on her emotions as opposed to helping her view the case objectively?

Hanksoff03
@hanksoff03
Feb 23
Heartbreakingly true @Michelle_Diskin
. http://RobinGarbuttOfficial.com `s fighting a great big machine, one that should be giving hope2the factually innocent,recognising truth+protecting them+rescuing them from shocking mistakes in CJS system, that put them in prison in the first place


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Mar 5
Well done Jane on getting this coverage of Robin Garbutt’s claim of innocence in the 10th Anniversary of his conviction. The more noise about alleged wrongful conviction cases the more likely something might be done in response. Keep up the fantastic work!
@ccrcupdate


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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #1081 on: April 03, 2020, 03:46:41 PM »
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Mar 5
Well done Jane on getting this coverage of Robin Garbutt’s claim of innocence in the 10th Anniversary of his conviction. The more noise about alleged wrongful conviction cases the more likely something might be done in response. Keep up the fantastic work!
@ccrcupdate


Never heard of Neil Wilby until he recently published the following blog re Robin Garbutt case
https://neilwilby.com/2020/03/28/dont-do-anything-stupid-weve-got-your-wife/

It appears from the content of his blog, Neil Wilby has seen the following tweets

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1/2 Thank you Wullie, but I suspect you are dealing with an ignorant troll. We never said that Simon Hall WAS innocent. Rather, we investigated his claim of innocence, which is a fundamentally different things, and showed the so called “evidence” to be totally discredited.

https://mobile.twitter.com/EmpowerInnocent/status/1186526810068193281

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@EmpowerInnocent
2/2 We were informed by his wife that he had confessed & wrote to him for confirmation & to let us know HOW he did it. He did not reply. We have never seen a signed confession. But, even if he did confess, like many innocent victims do, HOW did he do it & where is the evidence?
https://mobile.twitter.com/EmpowerInnocent/status/1186527971970048001

Huddersfield's Neil Wilby ordered to pay £78,000 in Savile slur libel damages and costs to policeman
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/huddersfields-neil-wilby-ordered-pay-7331770

‘Malicious blogger' Neil Wilby banned from contacting Independent Police Complaints Commission investigators after 'tormenting' them online
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/malicious-blogger-neil-wilby-banned-7972575

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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #1082 on: April 03, 2020, 04:06:37 PM »
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2/2 We were informed by his wife that he had confessed & wrote to him for confirmation & to let us know HOW he did it. He did not reply. We have never seen a signed confession. But, even if he did confess, like many innocent victims do, HOW did he do it & where is the evidence?
https://mobile.twitter.com/EmpowerInnocent/status/1186527971970048001

Dr Michael Naughton’s comment in bold in his above tweet is classic ‘narc speak’ - and I’ve long suspected it’s intentional

His recent public denial re ‘the confession’ is all about Michael Naughton protecting himself from reality due to what appears to me to be his inability to cope with what the facts & truth would mean to him on both a personal and professional level.

It’s also classic ‘gaslighting’ behaviour in action, which to date only Neil Wilby and William Beck have chosen to publicly run with

We must not forget that the UOBIP is also taking forward the case of self-confessed car thief William Beck in an attempt to overturn his conviction for armed robbery of a mail van in Livingston on 16 December 1981.

Of five eyewitnesses to the robbery, only two picked out Mr Beck at an identity parade.  Only two??   @)(++(*

The team at Bristol concluded that it was not possible to conclude beyond reasonable doubt that a miscarriage of justice did not occur.   8(0(*

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-14582866

Following excerpt taken from foot of this article https://www.thejusticegap.com/open-letter-ccrc-2/
Michael Naughton says:
”.....after 10 years of trying to work together with allegedly like-minded people with the same core aim – help to get innocent people to overturn their convictions and clear their names – it is clear to me that there are many different motives that are also at play and which can undermine what I think of as the core aim – careers, student recruitment, cv’s, vanity, to name but a few.
As you well know, INUK was set up as with the express aim of aiding working together but, as is documented on the INUK website, members generally failed to get involved on any level (even attending meetings and training events for a step too far for most) and casework was negligible for many
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #1083 on: April 03, 2020, 05:04:31 PM »

Dr Michael Naughton - 2013

“We are not shocked - we are alive to the possibility that a lot of people who say they are innocent are not.
 


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-23630287

2020
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At the very least, all prisoners maintaining innocence past tariff should be bailed until the coronavirus crisis is over. They have served their time as required by the courts & the authorities need to ask what do they have to gain by saying they are innocent if they are not?!


Says Dr Michael Naughton

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Should the @ccrcupdate not be involved in the call for innocent prisoners to be released from prison so they reduce their risk of contracting and/or being killed by coronavirus as it is the publicly funded body established by Parliament to help victims of miscarriages of justice?

https://mobile.twitter.com/EmpowerInnocent/status/1245233437528731651

The above tweet was liked by Michelle Diskin Bates

Who around the same time commented on a tweet made by Susan Young “How this woman stood by Barry George and helped him survive” https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug/03/jilldando.mentalhealth

Professor Susan Young
@DrSusanYoung1
I went to bed last night upset. Id read a tweet/comments criticising clin psychologists 4 posting tips to help ppl in #lockdown. We’re all doing what what we can. We are/were also part of NHS. A colleagues been deployed to debrief frontline staff. How fast ppl forget to #BeKind
9:25 AM · Apr 2, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

Michelle Diskin Bates Ribbon
@Michelle_Diskin
Replying to
@DrSusanYoung1
Really? What ignorance! We need all the help we can get...wisdom, discernment, the experiences of others. Personally, I can choose which advice I follow, but if it’s not there...there’s NO CHOICE. Well done
@DrSusanYoung1

Professor Susan Young
@DrSusanYoung1
Replying to
@Michelle_Diskin
Thank you. You are so right. People a quick to criticise and slow to praise.

Michelle Diskin Bates
@Michelle_DDiskin
I have to keep reminding myself hurting-people, HURT people

Professor Susan Young
@DrSusanYoung1
Thank you Louise. It really did distress me. I didn’t sleep well. They implied that we were responsible for making people feel anxious. I just thought to myself ‘I may as well hang up my boots’. Silly really and not like me to feel like giving up

Professor Susan Young
@DrSusanYoung1
So true Melanie. Everyone is doing what they can. I wonder what that person is doing? I didn’t respond as I don’t think it’s an appropriate time to take it on. People are dying. I hope though he sees what I wrote and thinks about it

Professor Susan Young
@DrSusanYoung1
Perhaps he is lucky and hasn’t been affected yet. I know two young people with COVID, both early 20’s and v unwell. One is a good friend of my daughter (who is now in self isolation). Elderly people are really suffering in self-I. We must all be constructive and positive
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #1084 on: April 03, 2020, 07:06:09 PM »
2020
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@EmpowerInnocent
At the very least, all prisoners maintaining innocence past tariff should be bailed until the coronavirus crisis is over. They have served their time as required by the courts & the authorities need to ask what do they have to gain by saying they are innocent if they are not?!


Says Dr Michael Naughton

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@EmpowerInnocent
For Dovstoyevsky, a society can be judged on how it treats its prisoners. How might we judge the current UK society from this perspective?
9:36 AM · Apr 2, 2020
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #1085 on: April 03, 2020, 07:12:17 PM »
2020
Empowering the Innocent (ETI)
@EmpowerInnocent
At the very least, all prisoners maintaining innocence past tariff should be bailed until the coronavirus crisis is over. They have served their time as required by the courts & the authorities need to ask what do they have to gain by saying they are innocent if they are not?!


Says Dr Michael Naughton

Michelle Diskin Bates
@Michelle_Diskin
Replying to
@EmpowerInnocent
We are near Easter, remember Pontius Pilate? Who shall I release? And the crowd shouted...BARRABAS the murderer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barabbas
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #1086 on: April 04, 2020, 09:23:57 AM »

Who around the same time commented on a tweet made by Susan Young “How this woman stood by Barry George and helped him survive” https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug/03/jilldando.mentalhealth

Professor Susan Young
@DrSusanYoung1
I went to bed last night upset. Id read a tweet/comments criticising clin psychologists 4 posting tips to help ppl in #lockdown. We’re all doing what what we can. We are/were also part of NHS. A colleagues been deployed to debrief frontline staff. How fast ppl forget to #BeKind
9:25 AM · Apr 2, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
 


Jamie Dowards Guardian article claims Dr Susan Young said the following about Barry George,

'Once we'd established a history of epilepsy it was important to get him on the appropriate medication to stop the chance of seizures,'

’He's very anxious and has panic attacks, so I administered strategies to control his feelings of anxiety. They've been shown to be effective in reducing the likelihood of epileptic seizures.'

Was Barry George ‘very anxious’ and did he have ‘panic attacks’ or could he have been ‘mirroring’ the possible anxieties of those people around him?

Professor Susan Young
@DrSusanYoung1
Thank you Louise. It really did distress me. I didn’t sleep well. They implied that we were responsible for making people feel anxious. I just thought to myself ‘I may as well hang up my boots’. Silly really and not like me to feel like giving up


Do people like Dr Susan Young make ‘people feel anxious’ as she herself suggests has been implied?

And has Dr Susan Young ever considered Jill Dando’s family and friends ‘anxieties’ ?

Barry, too, suffers from epilepsy, and the condition - which was not properly diagnosed until shortly before the trial - may have contributed to the mental problems he seems to have developed.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/jul/03/jilldando.media5

“It is now accepted that George does suffer from a mild form of epilepsy, though the experts are divided about its effects. Some believe George deliberately exaggerates the condition, others claim it has caused "severe brain dysfunction"
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8126.msg384497.html#msg384497

Did Barry George ‘deliberately’ exaggerate ‘the condition’ and how would Dr Susan Young know whether or not he did?

According to the same Guardian article, she also apparently claimed,

'He was responding very badly to the media,'

'There were photographs of him on the front pages and he became very distressed about this, quite preoccupied with it. When he becomes preoccupied he can't see the wood for the trees - he couldn't focus on the main issues that were important to discuss because he had his own topics whizzing around his head
.'

How could Dr Susan Young possibly know what was ‘whizzing around’ Barry Georges ‘head’ and did she never consider the fact the reason he may have been displaying possible signs of ‘anxiety’ was because he’d murdered Jill Dando?

“When he becomes preoccupied he can't see the wood for the trees“ - given Barry George had been charged with murdering Jill Dando was this the wisest choice of statements to make?

When asked by Ian Florance, “What qualities do you think you need as a forensic psychologist?” part of Dr Susan Youngs response was,

”How you deal with clients and cases that touch you very personally and emotionally is an issue that has recurred throughout my career. Just as I found I couldn’t work with very ill children at Great Ormond Street, I couldn’t work with victims of crime. I’d get too empathetic. I can work with many sorts of perpetrators and keep professional objectivity.

You must not be judgemental. If you are then you have no chance of engaging the client. This is what people have most difficulty understanding. The Barry George case illustrates this. It wasn’t important whether he was innocent or guilty. My role was to give him support so that he got a fair trial. Of course, you can’t work with someone for that long and not have views about them. Given the final verdict I was sorry he had spent eight years in prison, but I was pleased that he got a fair trial and impressed with the justice system that appointed me in the support role”

https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/volume-21/edition-11/move-over-cracker

Given Dr Susan Young has claimed all of the above why does she appear slighted because she’s allegedly been ‘criticised’’?

“I went to bed last night upset. Id read a tweet/comments criticising clin psychologists 4 posting tips to help ppl in #lockdown”

Has she never considered how Jill Dando’s family and friends felt after reading her own comments on Barry George?

“I couldn’t work with victims of crime. I’d get too empathetic. I can work with many sorts of perpetrators and keep professional objectivity”

?

And if as she claimed, “it wasn’t important whether he was innocent or guilty”
why then state, ‘I was sorry he had spent eight years in prison’

'“There were suggestions George played up his mental and medical problems. During his first trial, George brought up a blue liquid which he claimed was bile. It transpired it was washing-up liquid.

But such behaviour appears to have been a manifestation of George's anxiety problems.

'It has to be seen in context,' Young said.

‘He had complex problems. He was clearly an isolated, lonely man who would wander around the streets of Fulham without human contact. His days were spent interacting with clinics, hospitals, housing associations, the council and libraries. By claiming to be ill he would feel cared for and feel someone was giving him attention.’

Today, George cuts a different figure from the man who first appeared in the dock eight years ago, according to Young.

'He's matured: in this trial he was better than in the last one and I would attribute that to him being on the appropriate levels of medication. The second time around he was more familiar with the process, what he needed to do”


Barry George had been in a criminal court several times before his trial for murdering Jill Dando and would have therefore known ‘what he needed to do’ and in all his previous court cases he’d never needed the aid of someone like Dr Susan Young.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #1087 on: April 04, 2020, 11:17:12 AM »
When asked by Ian Florance, “What qualities do you think you need as a forensic psychologist?” part of Dr Susan Youngs response was,

”You must not be judgemental. If you are then you have no chance of engaging the client. This is what people have most difficulty understanding. The Barry George case illustrates this. It wasn’t important whether he was innocent or guilty. My role was to give him support so that he got a fair trial. Of course, you can’t work with someone for that long and not have views about them. Given the final verdict I was sorry he had spent eight years in prison, but I was pleased that he got a fair trial and impressed with the justice system that appointed me in the support role”
https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/volume-21/edition-11/move-over-cracker

Professor Susan Young
@DrSusanYoung1
Only one person in my road came out to clap.Same last week. If they were ill, they would want the help. I banged my saucepan for all of them!I hope I disturbed their tv viewing. Thank you NHS, drivers, carers, police, forces and everyone 4 keeping us going. Lifeline

Professor Susan Young
@DrSusanYoung1
Replying to
@Michelle_Diskin
Thank you. You are so right. People a quick to criticise and slow to praise.


Caroline
@MoaningEdna
Replying to
@DrSusanYoung1
A bit judgemental don’t you think? You don’t know their reasons for not participating. Only seen this because ADHD foundation liked it which is disappointing because having ADHD myself I completely forgot about the 8pm clapping and felt really bad.

Professor Susan Young
@DrSusanYoung1
Don’t feel bad, that’s understandable. But as for my road - it’s a small close with no community spirit. I know my neighbours.......

https://mobile.twitter.com/DrSusanYoung1/status/1245790932139675648

Does Dr Susan Young ‘know’ her neighbours in the same way she appeared to presume to know Barry George?

“I've never heard him say anything that made me think, "That was a bit odd,"' Young said.

'Having observed how he behaves when he becomes very distressed, how that affects his concentration levels, his ability to function, how he's even more slowed up and very confused and doesn't know left from right, I can't see really how he could have committed this crime and faded into the background. It doesn't fit.'

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug/03/jilldando.mentalhealth

doesn't know left from right”  *&^^&

Barry George never ‘faded into the background’ as Dr Susan Young claimed, he was attempting to create an alibi straight after the murder and using the name Bulsara at the time. Many of his previous violent offences against women were filed under other aliases of his, which made things difficult for police (Which is one reason why men like Barry George choose to use aliases)
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #1088 on: April 04, 2020, 11:48:42 AM »
Professor Susan Young
@DrSusanYoung1
Replying to
@Michelle_Diskin
It’s shocking. I recall prison officers at the Old Bailey. They should all have been fired. He was refused medication and water. Some were deliberately confrontational, mocking and goading him. I have contemporaneous notes of it. Really must do something with that.
https://mobile.twitter.com/DrSusanYoung1/status/1148677638002659328

If what Dr Susan Young wrote above is true and she’s done nothing with her “contemporaneous notes” since back then this in itself is ‘shocking’ - how many others could have allegedly suffered at the hands of these prison officers?
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #1089 on: April 04, 2020, 10:29:28 PM »
Glyn Maddocks: Criminal justice won’t face up to miscarriages
‘The long-serving campaigner for historic appeals fears that the commission is too weak to right past wrongs, he tells Catherine Baksi

“In every other walk of life, if something goes wrong an independent inquiry looks into failures and errors - the criminal justice system doesn’t”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/glyn-maddox-criminal-justice-wont-face-up-to-miscarriages-dj2v7gz2w

’Criminal justice won’t face up to miscarriages’ or -

those working within the ‘miscarriage of justice/wrongful conviction’ arena won’t face up to having been conned/getting it wrong

Righting a wrong
A solicitor who fights to free innocent people from jail and champion the cases everyone else has given up on has become the Western Mail Welsh Lawyer of the Year in Private Practice. Glyn Maddocks tells Anna Morrell what motivates him

Page 2 - Cases from Glyn Maddocks's portfolio
“DAVID BURGESS was convicted in 1967, when he was 19, of the murder of two girls in Berkshire. He has been in prison for the past 38 years. Throughout he has protested his innocence.

"Again, the evidence against him at the time was not particularly strong," says Maddocks. "But in those days, it was very unusual to challenge a conviction, and he has always found it very difficult to articulate his position.

"This case is in its early stages and it is obviously very difficult piecing together what happened almost 40 years ago, obtaining appropriate documentary and forensic evidence."

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/righting-a-wrong-2359141


Yolande Waddington: David Burgess guilty of nanny's murder
”A convicted child killer has been found guilty of the murder of a teenager in Berkshire 46 years ago.
Yolande Waddington, 17, was found strangled in the village of Beenham in October 1966.
David Burgess, 64, was jailed for life in 1967 for the killing of nine-year-old girls Jeanette Wigmore and Jacqueline Williams in Beenham.
He was charged with Yolande's murder following advances in DNA techniques and convicted after a five-week trial.
The jury at Reading Crown Court convicted Burgess by a majority verdict of 11 to one.
Jurors had been deliberating since Monday.
Speaking on behalf of the family outside court, Yolande's brother Giles Waddington broke down as he read from a statement.
He said: "We're grateful that justice has now been completed and that Yolande's murderer has been identified after more than 45 years.
"Yolande's murder had a traumatic and irreversible effect on our family life and has cast a long shadow over nearly five decades."
Yolande had only recently moved to the village to work as a nanny at a farm when she was killed.
She was last seen alive at the Six Bells pub on the evening of Friday, 28 October 1966.
During the trial, the jury heard Yolande's naked body was discovered in a ditch beside a farmer's barn two days later.
She had been stabbed and strangled and tied up with a jumper knotted around her face.
Blood from Yolande's attacker had been found on a number of items, including her comb and hair band.
Detectives from Scotland Yard were sent to Beenham to help with the investigation and carried out the first ever mass blood screening, with samples taken from 200 males in the area aged between 16 and 60.
A sample supposedly from Burgess was also taken, but it failed to meet one of the tests and was deemed not to be a match.
Police believe he may have got someone else to give a sample on his behalf or the specimen was labelled incorrectly.
Last year, Thames Valley Police carried out a review into the case and using a new technique obtained a partial DNA profile which matched Burgess's.
Pete Beirne, the force's principal investigator of cold cases, said:
"David Burgess has never accepted his guilt despite confessing to the crime to prison officers on three separate occasions.
"He has never fully explained how or why he killed Yolande."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-18861198


Murder Map Feb 2019 (Source: Real People mag)
‘The bright moon shone over the sleepy village. It illuminated a pictureperfect scene. Quaint homes were dotted for more than a mile across the ridge of the Kennet Valley, looking out over the rolling farmland of the North Wessex Downs.
They housed just a few hundred people. This is Beenham, Berkshire.
It’s 50 miles from London but, in 1966, it may as well have been a million miles from the ’60s swinging in the capital.
Back then, this little village had one primary school, a 12th-century church, no shops and a solitary pub, The Six Bells.
So it was to the pub that 17-year-old Yolande Waddington went looking to buy a pack of cigarettes at 10pm on 28 October.
Beenham was the sort of place where doors went unlocked. Why bother? Everyone knew everyone. But Yolande’s face was new. Having only arrived in the village from nearby Newbury five days earlier to work as a nanny, she must have drawn some attention that night.
After buying her cigarettes, she stood in an oatmeal coloured jumper, her dark curtain of hair pushed back by a white headband, and smoked a single fag in the pub.
Then, she stepped out into the night.
It was less than a mile back to Hall Place Farm, where she worked.
The next day, farmhand Alfie Woodley found some clothing scattered in a barn on the farm. He thought nothing of it.
The barn was a well-known spot for ‘courting’ couples.
Not long after though, Yolande’s employer reported her missing. She’d failed to return from the pub.
To the local police, the missing person’s report was shocking. Nothing ever happened in Beenham. The most they had to deal with was the odd pub fight.
As officers began hunting for Yolande, the farmhand told his employer about the clothes in the barn. And on 30 October, her boss, farmer Peter Jagger, went out looking for her on his land.
Down near the barn, he made a horrifying discovery.
Yolande’s body lay on its side, half submerged in a water-filled ditch. She was naked, but for a pair of socks. Her hands were tied behind her back, her bloodstained jumper stuffed in her mouth.
She’d been stabbed in the chest and back, but the superficial wounds hadn’t killed her. Her death had instead been caused by the ball of twine tightly wrapped four times around her neck.
Many of the local police had only read about murders in textbooks. Now, there was a dead teenager in their village and an actual murderer on the loose.
Due to the remote location of the barn, it was felt that the killer had to be local. But who in this quiet, innocent hamlet could do something like this?
Officers from the Met Police were immediately drafted in to help in the hunt.
Everyone was desperate to catch the monster in their midst.
Locals reeled from yet another tragedy
Statements were taken from more than 4,000 people in and around the area. Every single Beenham villager was interviewed. Nineteen-year-old David Burgess was one of them.
A bully who’d spent his school days picking wings off insects, David was bad news. An air pistol accident had left him with a glass eye and a menacing glare.
The landlady of The Six Bells confirmed he’d been in drinking when Yolande visited.
He’d left the pub soon after her. The next day, he’d had scratches on his face and a cut to his finger. When questioned, he admitted recently losing a penknife of the sort found at the murder scene.
It was incriminating. But the police needed firm evidence. Their tests showed some of the blood on Yolande’s jumper wasn’t hers.
But back then, blood screening was in its infancy.
It couldn’t be definitive proof of who had committed a crime, but could rule people out. So police launched a national first
– a mass blood screening. All men in and around Beenham aged 16 to 60 were tested.
Of the 200 in this group, just four matched the blood type found at the scene. None of them were David Burgess.
He wasn’t Yolande’s killer.
All four of the men – including David’s brother, John – were investigated, but ruled out, too. Police were at a loss.
Six months later, on 17 April 1967, the investigation had just been wound down when two nine year-olds left their Beenham homes looking for primroses.
Yet Jeanette Wigmore and Jacqueline Williams never arrived home with their flowers. On high alert after Yolande, 20 police and a crowd of villagers were soon out scouring their streets for the girls.
Surely, evil couldn’t possibly strike twice?
Yet, within half an hour, a searcher came across two tiny bodies in Blake’s Pit, a lonely disused gravel pit on the edge of the village.
Jacqueline had been sexually assaulted and drowned, Jeanette’s throat was slit.
Locals reeled from yet another unthinkable tragedy.
Children’s bedroom windows were locked at night, plain-clothed officers sat in the pub listening out for clues and neighbours viewed each other with suspicion.
The murders were heard about across the world. Everyone was looking to Beenham. And they all wanted justice.
Police didn’t have to look far. In the crowds that’d been hunting for the girls was a familiar face – David Burgess.
He’d gone on to talk to television reporters, even extending his condolences to Terence Williams, Jacqueline’s father.
It was suspicious.
After all, David worked as a dumper truck driver at Fisher’s Pit, neighbouring Blake’s Pit.
He’d also been missing for 20 minutes around the time of the murder.
Police hauled him in for questioning. His clothes were seized. On one boot, some blood was found that matched the blood grouping of one of the murdered children.
In July 1967, just four months after the killings, Burgess was convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment for the murders of Jacqueline and Jeanette.
But did Beenham still hold another killer?
In 1968, while in Durham prison, Burgess made a brazen admission to prison officers. On three separate occasions, he confessed to killing Yolande.
When detectives arrived at the jail on 3 April 1968 to quiz him though, Burgess refused to repeat what he’d said.
Instead, he taunted them, smirking, ‘You’ll have to prove it.’
A line later used by child killer & mass murderer Jeremy Bamber during his murder trial
The blood on Yolande’s jumper was once again tested. Yet again, it wasn’t a match for Burgess! Police were back at square one.
Time marched on. Yolande’s mother died without ever seeing justice for her daughter. The press clippings on the murders grew yellow, faded.
But, to the people of Beenham, their lost girls were never forgotten, the town’s innocence never regained.
In September 1996, Burgess escaped from Leyhill Open Prison in Gloucestershire. Did the villagers he’d once counted as neighbours, look over their shoulders after the news?
Burgess was only recaptured 17 months later in February 1998, when he brazenly robbed a bank for £2,500. In 2011, Thames Valley Police carried out a cold case review of Yolande’s murder, due to advances in DNA technology.
However, the cold case team faced an immediate blow. Yolande’s jumper, that’d held the blood stains, had been lost in the 45 years since the crime.
Yet the police refused to give up. They re-tested all the available evidence for blood that wasn’t Yolande’s. New blood stains were found on a polythene fertiliser sack from the scene and Yolande’s white headband.
The samples were tiny, but lab work had advanced incredibly since the initial investigation. This time, experts found that the blood matched David Burgess.
In fact, they estimated that the likelihood of the DNA coming from anyone other than Burgess was ‘smaller than one in a billion’.
Rock solid proof.
Police suspected that in the chaos of the pioneering blood screen back in the ’60s, Burgess had got someone else to give his sample, or the blood had been incorrectly labelled.
Either way, a mistake had left Burgess free to kill again.
But would a jury believe it? In June 2012, a bored looking Burgess, now greying and overweight, began a new trial at Reading Crown Court. The jury were told to disregard his conviction for the murder of the nine-year-old girls.
His defence, Mr Bennathan QC told the jury, ‘Do not start off being so horrified that the man standing over there is a double child murderer. The temptation is just to say we know he’s a monster, we know he killed them [Jeanette Wigmore and Jacqueline Williams], he must have killed someone else. Life is more complicated than that.’
As for the new DNA match, he told the jury not to be ‘blinded by science’. After all, hadn’t it been wrong back in the ’60s?
But times had moved on, and this jury trusted technology. After 45 long, painful years, David Burgess was convicted of Yolande’s murder in July 2012.
The now three-times convicted killer was jailed for an additional life term, and ordered to spend a minimum of 27 years in prison.
Burgess, 65, checked his watch and sighed loudly as he was told he’d be locked up until he was at least 92 years old.
As he was led from court, he laughed loudly, the final petulant act of a heartless old man.
After nearly half a century, Yolande’s family and the residents of Beenham finally have answers.
Three girls died, an idyllic village was changed for ever, but Burgess is paying the full price for his evil debauchery at last.
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/real-people/20190221/281547997161066
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #1090 on: April 05, 2020, 10:56:00 AM »

Mick Geen
@J4BenGeen
Such valuable work for the wrongly convicted-
@Madocwales
 has spent more than 30yrs representing individuals who have suffered miscarriages of justice-Next month & in recognition of his work in this field Glyn Maddox will be made an honorary Queen’s Counsel.

Glyn Maddocks: Criminal justice won’t face up to miscarriages
‘The long-serving campaigner for historic appeals fears that the commission is too weak to right past wrongs, he tells Catherine Baksi

“In every other walk of life, if something goes wrong an independent inquiry looks into failures and errors - the criminal justice system doesn’t”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/glyn-maddox-criminal-justice-wont-face-up-to-miscarriages-dj2v7gz2w

Hanksoff03
@hanksoff03
So happy that Glyn`s (
@Madocwales ) incredible work is being recognised.His dedication2the whole cause of wrongful convictions is remarkable+I will never be able2thank him enough for all the help given in our fight for http://RobinGarbuttOfficial.com. A truly lovely, lovely gentleman x


Glyn Maddocks, ‘A truly lovely, lovely gentleman’, - and it appears an ideal ‘target’ for a con artist

’Criminal justice won’t face up to miscarriages’ or -

those working within the ‘miscarriage of justice/wrongful conviction’ arena won’t face up to having been conned/getting it wrong

Paul Blackburn has yet to ‘clear his name’

https://www.gettyimages.ae/detail/video/paul-blackburn-appeal-against-attempted-murder-conviction-news-footage/680863732

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/paul-blackburn-appeal-against-attempted-murder-conviction-news-footage/680863594

And whilst Glyn Maddocks may well be ‘a lovely, lovely gentleman’ he’s no more immune to being duped than the rest of us.

https://www.gettyimages.ae/detail/video/paul-blackburn-appeal-against-attempted-murder-conviction-news-footage/680863732

Would be interested to hear what lessons, if any, Glyn Maddocks learned following the exposure of David Burgess’s guilt?

David Burgess is clearly a psychopath who had confessed to murder whilst in prison yet Glyn Maddocks stated,

“Again, the evidence against him at the time was not particularly strong,"

“But in those days, it was very unusual to challenge a conviction, and he has always found it very difficult to articulate his position”


Paul Blackburn confessed:

He ‘dropped his head and began to cry. He said "Yes, it was me -- give me a minute"

and he had ‘form’ for ABH on two 9 year old boys

Excerpts
REGINA V BLACKBURN (Paul)

13. Then on 21st July 1978, DCI White and DI Marsh returned to Red Bank school to interview the appellant again. By now the officers had information about an apparently somewhat similar attack at Irlam involving the appellant two years before.

14. He was questioned about discrepancies between his statements and between his statements and those of others. Then the officers went on to refer to the Irlam events in 1976, when the appellant and another boy had been convicted of actual bodily harm on two nine year old boys. It was now said to the appellant that the incident had gone beyond a physical assault and had involved forcing the two boys to suck each other's penis and to try to commit buggery with each other. The appellant was told that the police now had statements from the two boys and another boy who witnessed it.

15. In any event, at 12.40 pm during this fourth interview, immediately after these references to the 1976 incident, the appellant dropped his head and began to cry. He said "Yes, it was me -- give me a minute". He then looked at Mr McVitie, who said words to the effect: "It's up to you, Paul, the officers only want the truth".
https://www.casemine.com/judgement/uk/5b46f2072c94e0775e7f0c08

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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #1091 on: April 05, 2020, 12:06:51 PM »
A doctor calls -- Dr Eric Shepherd, a man who can suss the psychology of the police station - 23 February 1994
Excerpt:
‘And while Dr Shepherd has become to the police 'the man they love to hate' (according to the Police Review), he may soon turn into 'the man they can't forget' to the legal profession.In conjunction with members of the Law Society's criminal law committee, Dr Shepherd has just produced a large training package on police station skills for solicitors' representatives.Its publication could not have come at a more opportune time, with research from the University of Warwick purporting to show a woeful inability on the part of legal advisers to counteract dubious police interviewing tactics.But what really gave the profession a kick in the pants was the Legal Aid Board's decision that all non-qualified legal representatives (except trainee solicitors) should pass a test and be registered by early next year if they were to continue to receive payment from public funds.Dr Shepherd's expertise was commissioned and the end result was Police Station Skills for Legal Advisers.
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/a-doctor-calls-dr-eric-shepherd-a-man-who-can-suss-the-psychology-of-the-police-station-/19495.article

It’s all smoke and mirrors..

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/paul-blackburn-cleared-of-attempted-murder-england-london-news-footage/680863396
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #1092 on: April 05, 2020, 02:30:53 PM »
Empowering the Innocent (ETI)
@EmpowerInnocent
2/2 We were informed by his wife that he had confessed & wrote to him for confirmation & to let us know HOW he did it. He did not reply. We have never seen a signed confession. But, even if he did confess, like many innocent victims do, HOW did he do it & where is the evidence?
https://mobile.twitter.com/EmpowerInnocent/status/1186527971970048001

Dr Michael Naughton’s comment in bold in his above tweet is classic ‘narc speak’ - and I’ve long suspected it’s intentional

His recent public denial re ‘the confession’ is all about Michael Naughton protecting himself from reality due to what appears to me to be his inability to cope with what the facts & truth would mean to him on both a personal and professional level.

It’s also classic ‘gaslighting’ behaviour in action, which to date only Neil Wilby and William Beck have chosen to publicly run with

Following excerpt taken from foot of this article https://www.thejusticegap.com/open-letter-ccrc-2/

Michael Naughton says:
April 10, 2016
“.....after 10 years of trying to work together with allegedly like-minded people with the same core aim – help to get innocent people to overturn their convictions and clear their names – it is clear to me that there are many different motives that are also at play and which can undermine what I think of as the core aim – careers, student recruitment, cv’s, vanity, to name but a few.
https://www.thejusticegap.com/open-letter-ccrc-2/

And let’s not forget Dr Michael Naughton also claimed publicly in 2013,

“It is quite sad in terms of the waste of resources and the distress to (Mrs Albert's) family members when it turns out like this."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-23630287

His recent comments on the Simon Hall case suggest the above was nothing more than a throw away comment


Empowering the Innocent (ETI)
@EmpowerInnocent
1/2 Thank you Wullie, but I suspect you are dealing with an ignorant troll. We never said that Simon Hall WAS innocent. Rather, we investigated his claim of innocence, which is a fundamentally different things, and showed the so called “evidence” to be totally discredited.

https://mobile.twitter.com/EmpowerInnocent/status/1186526810068193281

Appears Dr Michael Naughton would benefit from some work on his self awareness, maybe then he’d quit giving his ‘followers’ mixed messages;

Michael’s research is highly interdisciplinary straddling critical criminology, criminal law and procedure, criminal appeals, penology and zemiology. It centres on the injustices and wider social harms relating to the dominant discourses, structures, procedures and operations of the criminal justice system. He has researched and written extensively on the causes, scope and harmful consequences of “miscarriages of justice” and the limitations and/or outright failings of the criminal justice system in dealing with factually innocent victims of wrongful conviction and/or imprisonment.
http://www.bristol.ac.uk/law/people/michael-j-naughton/index.html
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #1093 on: April 05, 2020, 06:03:03 PM »
Empowering the Innocent (ETI)
@EmpowerInnocent
2/2 We were informed by his wife that he had confessed & wrote to him for confirmation & to let us know HOW he did it. He did not reply. We have never seen a signed confession. But, even if he did confess, like many innocent victims do, HOW did he do it & where is the evidence?
https://mobile.twitter.com/EmpowerInnocent/status/1186527971970048001

Dr Michael Naughton’s comment in bold in his above tweet is classic ‘narc speak’ - and I’ve long suspected it’s intentional

His recent public denial re ‘the confession’ is all about Michael Naughton protecting himself from reality due to what appears to me to be his inability to cope with what the facts & truth would mean to him on both a personal and professional level.

It’s also classic ‘gaslighting’ behaviour in action, which to date only Neil Wilby and William Beck have chosen to publicly run with

Empowering the Innocent (ETI)
@EmpowerInnocent
Many have asked me too but I won’t distinguish between innocent and guilty prisoners as prison is to take away a prisoner’s liberty not their life to something like coronavirus that @RobertBuckland. HM Prison Service and all prison staff have a duty of care to protect against.


Would be interested to learn how Dr Michael Naughton distinguishes between ‘innocent and guilty’ and why he appears to have backtracked having blatantly contradicted himself

Empowering the Innocent (ETI)
@EmpowerInnocent
At the very least, all prisoners maintaining innocence past tariff should be bailed until the coronavirus crisis is over. They have served their time as required by the courts & the authorities need to ask what do they have to gain by saying they are innocent if they are not?!

Empowering the Innocent (ETI)
@EmpowerInnocent
Should the @ccrcupdate not be involved in the call for innocent prisoners to be released from prison so they reduce their risk of contracting and/or being killed by coronavirus as it is the publicly funded body established by Parliament to help victims of miscarriages of justice?
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #1094 on: April 05, 2020, 07:02:47 PM »
50 Shades Of Gaslighting: Disturbing Signs An Abuser Is Twisting Your Reality

Deliberate manipulators who gaslight with the intention of eroding your reality and rewriting history tend to use the “illusory truth effect” to their advantage. They will repeat falsehoods so often that they become ingrained in the victim’s mind as unshakeable truths.

“Gaslighting has become a well-known term in the abuse survivor community, particularly for the survivors of malignant narcissists. Unlike more vulnerable narcissists who may possess more of a capacity for remorse, malignant narcissists truly believe in their superiority, are grandiose and lie on the higher end of the narcissistic spectrum. They have antisocial traits, demonstrate paranoia, bear an excessive sense of entitlement, show a callous lack of empathy and display an egregious liking for interpersonal exploitation.


https://thoughtcatalog.com/shahida-arabi/2017/11/50-shades-of-gaslighting-the-disturbing-signs-an-abuser-is-twisting-your-reality/


Michelle Diskin Bates
@Michelle_Diskin
Feb 16
Replying to
@reece_dinsdale
I’m someone who has been well and truly trolled! I see them for who and what they are...bullies. I’m fortunate that I don’t have to care about, nor engage with them. I just ‘OUT’ them. They don’t like exposure. Adversity made me strong!
https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/1229158096691437568


So ‘strong’ she chooses to remain silent on issues related to ‘violence against women’, for example

So ‘strong’ anyone who dares to question her version of events is classified a ‘troll’ or a ‘bully’

 *&^^&

Why would Michelle Diskin Bates choose to not warn other women, like Hanksoff03, about the dangers of ‘malignant narcissists’ ?

Michelle Diskin Bates Retweeted
Qredible
@qredibleuk
Stop domestic abuse – break your silence now!
#violence #abuse #domesticabuse #crime #sufferings #pain #domesticviolence #divorce #domesticabusesurvivor #emotionalabuse #domesticviolenceawareness #hiddenabuse #familylaw

Confined at home: Domestic violence cases on the rise! - www.qredible.co.uk
Due to increased social and physical distancing in place in response to COVID-19, many domestic violence victims are at higher risk...
https://www.qredible.co.uk/b/advice-hub/criminal-law/domestic-violence/confined-at-home-domestic-violence/?__twitter_impression=true
https://mobile.twitter.com/qredibleuk/status/1245029143076536320

Yet she still chooses to remain silent towards women like Jane Metcalfe aka Hanksoff03

who it’s clear has been and is being groomed and conned

Hanksoff03 Retweeted

Hanksoff03
@hanksoff03
This battle against injustice affects all of us-the CJS needs2conquer apathy+challenge everything+anything that stands in the way of truth+transparency. It`s a huge battle but with good people that do exist within the system freedom+justice will happen4 http://RobinGarbutt.com X

Empowering the Innocent (ETI)
@EmpowerInnocent
 · Mar 27
Great to see another excellent article about Robin Garbutt’s claim of innocence for the murder of his wife, Diana. Be interesting to see what the @ccrcupdate do with his 3rd application, which calls into question the reliability of all of the evidence that led to his conviction. https://twitter.com/JusticeGap/status/1243442818758082561
3:14 PM · Apr 5, 2020·Twitter Web App

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