Should Operation Grange be wound up as SY face defeat?

[jassi]

Surely you must assume that facts, evidence must be presented when extra funding is asked for?
If not, then you must assume you that" good money" is thrown at the investigation without any proof that it  is required.

I have no idea of the procedure used by the HO. Do you or are you just expressing your opinion?

[Robittybob1]

Just because you think it might have been a mistake doesn't mean it is. Some mistakes have already been acknowledged; assuming that UK FLO's may be of use, for example.

I'm not aware there was criticism of the UK FLOs, do you have the reference for that?

[Erngath]

I have no idea of the procedure used by the HO. Do you or are you just expressing your opinion?

I was making an educated guess, assumption and wondering what your assumption, educated guess might be.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It's up to SY and OG to decide when they wind up the investigation and not public opinion. Otherwise that is not justice.  And they will make public their findings when the appropriate time comes, they are not obliged to give a running summary for the public's satisfaction. BTW how do you know that they are facing defeat?

well said!

[Vertigo Swirl]

Remind me.  When was the last time they travelled to Luz to interview anyone?

It's all very well sitting on their backsides in London claiming to be following one more lead when in reality they still haven't really got a clue what actually befell her.  If they did know for sure what happened to Maddie we would have heard it from the horses mouth long ago.

All in my honest opinion.

Well obviously they don't know "for sure" yet, but they are still investigating a lead.  Do you think they should give up now while there is still a lead to pursue?

[Erngath]

It's up to SY and OG to decide when they wind up the investigation and not public opinion. Otherwise that is not justice.  And they will make public their findings when the appropriate time comes, they are not obliged to give a running summary for the public's satisfaction. BTW how do you know that they are facing defeat?

A post I missed and agree with Vertigo
Well said.

[Angelo222]

When extra money has been asked for, do you assume as I do, that facts, evidence have to be presented to justify the extra money?
Or do you believe that extra money is given without any need for evidence of continuing solid leads to be pursued.

Until SY tell us differently I would think the money is merely to be used for a mopping up exercise, failing that, a last ditch attempt at salvation.  Redwood spent the last of his kitty on a wild hunch exploratory in Praia da Luz and came up empty. Maybe Mss Walls or whoever has taken over the poisoned chalice now will do better?

[Angelo222]

It's up to SY and OG to decide when they wind up the investigation and not public opinion. Otherwise that is not justice.  And they will make public their findings when the appropriate time comes, they are not obliged to give a running summary for the public's satisfaction. BTW how do you know that they are facing defeat?

I wouldn't hold your breath.  I predict they will find nothing and report just as much.  That's the way the police work in this country, they only like to publicize the successes, the failures are usually swept under the proverbial carpet.

SY are hamstrung in what they can and cannot do in this case according to a very senior officer, they have thus been at a distinct disadvantage from the outset. Until that changes, the crimes that we do know about will go uninvestiged and unpunished.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I wouldn't hold your breath.  I predict they will find nothing and report just as much.  That's the way the police work in this country, they only like to publicize the successes, the failures are usually swept under the proverbial carpet.

Perhaps it would be wiser not to pre-judge the outcome?

[Erngath]

Until SY tell us differently I would think the money is merely to be used for a mopping up exercise, failing that, a last ditch attempt at salvation.  Redwood spent the last of his kitty on a wild hunch exploratory in Praia da Luz and came up empty. Maybe Mss Walls or whoever has taken over the poisoned chalice now will do better?

So when asking for extra money, SY present nothing to further their investigation?
Just ask for more money to mop up!
You seem to have a very informed opinion of how the investigation is proceeding.

[Angelo222]

So when asking for extra money, SY present nothing to further their investigation?
Just ask for more money to mop up!
You seem to have a very informed opinion of how the investigation is proceeding.

It's called reading between the lines.  Watch this space.

[Vertigo Swirl]

So when asking for extra money, SY present nothing to further their investigation?
Just ask for more money to mop up!
You seem to have a very informed opinion of how the investigation is proceeding.

Angelo must have an inside track...maybe.

[G-Unit]

I'm not aware there was criticism of the UK FLOs, do you have the reference for that?

In the Operation task debrief. It was acknowledged that Foreign Office support was the most appropriate.

http://library.college.police.uk/docs/npia/Strategic-debrief-operation-task-2009.pdf

[Vertigo Swirl]

I wouldn't hold your breath.  I predict they will find nothing and report just as much.  That's the way the police work in this country, they only like to publicize the successes, the failures are usually swept under the proverbial carpet.

SY are hamstrung in what they can and cannot do in this case according to a very senior officer, they have thus been at a distinct disadvantage from the outset. Until that changes, the crimes that we do know about will go uninvestiged and unpunished.

How do you account for stuff like this then, if it's true that the UK police usually sweep their failures under the proverbial carpet?

"The Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) is now investigating the “actions and decisions” of Dorset police officers. The IOPC said that the police had referred themselves to the watchdog after an internal review. The move was welcomed by Miss Pope’s family" - from today's Times newspaper re the botched investigation into Gaia Pope's disappearance..

[barrier]

How do you account for stuff like this then, if it's true that the UK police usually sweep their failures under the proverbial carpet?

"The Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) is now investigating the “actions and decisions” of Dorset police officers. The IOPC said that the police had referred themselves to the watchdog after an internal review. The move was welcomed by Miss Pope’s family" - from today's Times newspaper re the botched investigation into Gaia Pope's disappearance..

What do you expect to come out of that apart from the usual we'll learn from our mistakes?