Author Topic: The name calling which marks this case out.  (Read 28073 times)

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The name calling which marks this case out.
« Reply #135 on: April 25, 2018, 07:48:35 AM »
Criticism is one thing, name-calling another.
to be honest I'd rather be described in a book as a f..king tosser than to be described as corrupt, incompetent or ill-educated, for example.  One description is far more damaging and hurtful than the other, but which in your view?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: The name calling which marks this case out.
« Reply #136 on: April 25, 2018, 08:03:55 AM »
I doubt if she names these officers.

It's quite clear who they are; the first two officers to arrive.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The name calling which marks this case out.
« Reply #137 on: April 25, 2018, 08:22:06 AM »
It's quite clear who they are; the first two officers to arrive.
So you object to what Kate writes in her book but not to what amaral writes in his... That really puts things into perspective

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The name calling which marks this case out.
« Reply #138 on: April 25, 2018, 08:28:43 AM »
So you object to what Kate writes in her book but not to what amaral writes in his... That really puts things into perspective
yes but Amaral didn't refer to the McCanns as Tweedledum and Tweedledee, he merely used the book to portray them as deceitful body occulters, which is far less hurtful obviously.
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: The name calling which marks this case out.
« Reply #139 on: April 25, 2018, 08:43:30 AM »
to be honest I'd rather be described in a book as a f....ing tosser than to be described as corrupt, incompetent or ill-educated, for example.  One description is far more damaging and hurtful than the other, but which in your view?

One is libellous and the other isn't, which is why some posts are removed and others aren't.
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: The name calling which marks this case out.
« Reply #140 on: April 25, 2018, 08:46:01 AM »
yes but Amaral didn't refer to the McCanns as Tweedledum and Tweedledee, he merely used the book to portray them as deceitful body occulters, which is far less hurtful obviously.

His book, as was proved by the court case, was a description of a police investigation up to a point of time. He is describing what the investigation thought.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: The name calling which marks this case out.
« Reply #141 on: April 25, 2018, 09:12:15 AM »
...and?
Hardly "making personal comments about individual police officers in a book" if they are unnamed.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The name calling which marks this case out.
« Reply #142 on: April 25, 2018, 09:12:21 AM »
His book, as was proved by the court case, was a description of a police investigation up to a point of time. He is describing what the investigation thought.
And Kate was describing what she thought.  Her description of the two unnamed GNR officers are unlikely to have had the same impact on them as Amaral's thoughts about the McCanns had on them.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The name calling which marks this case out.
« Reply #143 on: April 25, 2018, 09:13:43 AM »
One is libellous and the other isn't, which is why some posts are removed and others aren't.
which is libellous and which isn't then? 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Robittybob1

Re: The name calling which marks this case out.
« Reply #144 on: April 25, 2018, 09:15:13 AM »
So when the police arrive at a crime scene their job is to carry out the instructions of those they find on the spot, not to make their own decisions?
The GNR were not trained to handle abductions from what I understand so it is not a matter of having a choice.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: The name calling which marks this case out.
« Reply #145 on: April 25, 2018, 09:24:33 AM »
So you object to what Kate writes in her book but not to what amaral writes in his... That really puts things into perspective

I don't think object is quite the right word. I think she made an error of judgement by revealing more about herself than about the GNR officers. It's a litany of blame all aimed at others imo.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The name calling which marks this case out.
« Reply #146 on: April 25, 2018, 09:26:50 AM »
I don't think object is quite the right word. I think she made an error of judgement by revealing more about herself than about the GNR officers. It's a litany of blame all aimed at others imo.
She was writing the book from her persepctive - of course she's going to reveal more about herself and her feelings than about two nameless GNR officers and their take on events.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The name calling which marks this case out.
« Reply #147 on: April 25, 2018, 09:51:02 AM »
His book, as was proved by the court case, was a description of a police investigation up to a point of time. He is describing what the investigation thought.

And Kate, was, describing what she thought.... Amaral added more that was  in the police files

Offline Lace

Re: The name calling which marks this case out.
« Reply #148 on: April 25, 2018, 10:12:18 AM »

In my opinion, this display of drama is quite unnerving actually. They are like 'praying arabs' because that is how arabs pray, catholics only kneel and bow the head slightly.

PS  I checked with my closest Muslim friend and he couldn't stop laughing at people being offended by the way he prays.

This dramatic effect would confuse police officers. And it is important to recognise when they got all distressed like.. hmm yeah when the police arrived. Strange indeed.

Except that the GNR officer did not describe the scene as depicted in Amaral's documentary  -


After the search, he noticed a situation that seemed unusual to him, when at a determined moment, the girl's parents kneeled down on the floor of their bedroom and placed their heads on the bed, crying. He did not notice any comments or expression from them, just crying. He says that at the main reception the father also knelt down, placing his head on the floor and crying. He did not hear the father say anything.


There is nothing wrong about the way muslim's pray,   it was the way Amaral called them 'odd' when they were obviously very distraught and crying whilst praying at the side of the bed.   His calling them 'like praying arabs'  is offensive when it is mocking them,  why bring it into his documentary if not to mock and belittle?

As to you saying they displayed distress.   Haven't you read the statements?   The McCann's were distressed from the moment they found Madeleine missing!!   They were equally distressed and in despair when two GNR officers displayed that they were unable to help them.    How would you react to that situation.

If my post is altered or deleted,  then I would expect Misstakenidentities to be also as they are full of nastiness.

Offline Lace

Re: The name calling which marks this case out.
« Reply #149 on: April 25, 2018, 10:18:47 AM »
I don't think object is quite the right word. I think she made an error of judgement by revealing more about herself than about the GNR officers. It's a litany of blame all aimed at others imo.

'A litany of blame all aimed at others'  you say.    Kate had been accused of hiding her child's body,   Ricardo showed her the video of the dogs and kept stopping it and saying blood had been found belonging to Madeleine,  the DNA matched Madeleine,   this was her daughter they were talking about.   Can't you imagine the horror she must have felt [no you can't as you think the McCann's are guilty]    but try and imagine for one minute that they are innocent.   Can you imagine being accused of that crime?   So what would you be thinking 'what a nice man' maybe?   Get real.