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Offline Lace

The name calling which marks this case out.
« on: April 23, 2018, 08:55:30 AM »
Kate is a terrible person for calling the two Policemen who were first to the scene 'Tweedledum and Tweedledee'  yet they called the McCann's 'praying arabs'  when the McCann's were distraught in their bedroom.  That's ok though.

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Offline slartibartfast

Re: The name calling which marks this case out.
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2018, 09:01:56 AM »
Kate is a terrible person for calling the two Policemen who were first to the scene 'Tweedledum and Tweedledee'  yet they called the McCann's 'praying arabs'  when the McCann's were distraught in their bedroom.  That's ok though.

So you can easily explain what Tweedledum and Tweedledee means than, what it is supposed to convey? Everyone knows what praying like Arabs means and can easily visualise the situation.
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Offline Erngath

Re: The name calling which marks this case out.
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2018, 09:07:38 AM »
Kate is a terrible person for calling the two Policemen who were first to the scene 'Tweedledum and Tweedledee'  yet they called the McCann's 'praying arabs'  when the McCann's were distraught in their bedroom.  That's ok though.

It is an expression used to mock the obvious anguish of Madeleine's parents.
As "cradle Catholics" they would have been used to being on their knees to pray at church and possibly for night prayers at home when they were children.

« Last Edit: April 23, 2018, 07:26:21 PM by John »
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Offline Lace

Re: The name calling which marks this case out.
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2018, 09:10:01 AM »
So you can easily explain what Tweedledum and Tweedledee means than, what it is supposed to convey? Everyone knows what praying like Arabs means and can easily visualise the situation.

Well if you have read the book 'Alice in Wonderland'   as a child,  you would be familiar with Tweedledum and Tweedledee  they didn't know anything about what was going on, and at a loss to help.   Kate explains later in her book why she got this impression,  but then goes on to say [and sounding apologetic] they found out that the two officers were indeed out of their depth,  they were not trained for the task they had been sent to investigate.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: The name calling which marks this case out.
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2018, 09:32:09 AM »
Kate is a terrible person for calling the two Policemen who were first to the scene 'Tweedledum and Tweedledee'  yet they called the McCann's 'praying arabs'  when the McCann's were distraught in their bedroom.  That's ok though.

Do you have a cite showing that the first two policemen called the McCanns 'praying arabs'? I only found these statements;

He found it notable that when they were still at the main reception, the father kneeled down, laying his head on the ground and crying, at the same time as making an expression which the witness did not understand.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NELSON-DA-COSTA.htm

After the search, he noticed a situation that seemed unusual to him, when at a determined moment, the girl's parents kneeled down on the floor of their bedroom and placed their heads on the bed, crying. He did not notice any comments or expression from them, just crying. He says that at the main reception the father also knelt down, placing his head on the floor and crying. He did not hear the father say anything.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOSE_ROQUE.htm
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Offline Erngath

Re: The name calling which marks this case out.
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2018, 10:59:47 AM »
Do you have a cite showing that the first two policemen called the McCanns 'praying arabs'? I only found these statements;

He found it notable that when they were still at the main reception, the father kneeled down, laying his head on the ground and crying, at the same time as making an expression which the witness did not understand.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NELSON-DA-COSTA.htm

After the search, he noticed a situation that seemed unusual to him, when at a determined moment, the girl's parents kneeled down on the floor of their bedroom and placed their heads on the bed, crying. He did not notice any comments or expression from them, just crying. He says that at the main reception the father also knelt down, placing his head on the floor and crying. He did not hear the father say anything.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOSE_ROQUE.htm

Yet in Amarals documentary the parents are portrayed as being on top of the bed. If I remember correctly.
I do wonder why,?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: The name calling which marks this case out.
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2018, 11:15:54 AM »
Yet in Amarals documentary the parents are portrayed as being on top of the bed. If I remember correctly.
I do wonder why,?
The words "Amarals documentary" could be a clue.
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Offline Erngath

Re: The name calling which marks this case out.
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2018, 11:20:12 AM »
The words "Amarals documentary" could be a clue.

So it's not a factual documentary?
He portrayed events contrary to police statements,?
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Offline Lace

Re: The name calling which marks this case out.
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2018, 11:23:05 AM »
Do you have a cite showing that the first two policemen called the McCanns 'praying arabs'? I only found these statements;

He found it notable that when they were still at the main reception, the father kneeled down, laying his head on the ground and crying, at the same time as making an expression which the witness did not understand.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NELSON-DA-COSTA.htm

After the search, he noticed a situation that seemed unusual to him, when at a determined moment, the girl's parents kneeled down on the floor of their bedroom and placed their heads on the bed, crying. He did not notice any comments or expression from them, just crying. He says that at the main reception the father also knelt down, placing his head on the floor and crying. He did not hear the father say anything.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOSE_ROQUE.htm

I didn't say the first two policemen called the McCann's praying arabs,   I said Kate called them Tweddle Dee and Tweedle Dum and was called nasty for doing so,   when the Portuguese police called the McCann's praying arabs, when they were distraught in the bedroom,  and they weren't called nasty were they?

Ok CORRECTION !!    It was when Gerry so relieved the Police had finally arrived he threw himself down on the floor,  'like a praying arab'  the Portuguese police described him,  obviously not in touch with a father who had lost his child and had waited so long for the police to be doing something,  the man was in absolute despair.
« Last Edit: April 23, 2018, 07:26:37 PM by John »

Offline Angelo222

Re: The name calling which marks this case out.
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2018, 12:06:26 PM »
The praying Arabs or wailing Mullah descriptions are pure internet creations.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: The name calling which marks this case out.
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2018, 12:08:40 PM »
I didn't say the first two policemen called the McCann's praying arabs,   I said Kate called them Tweddle Dee and Tweedle Dum and was called nasty for doing so,   when the Portuguese police called the McCann's praying arabs, when they were distraught in the bedroom,  and they weren't called nasty were they?

Ok CORRECTION !!    It was when Gerry so relieved the Police had finally arrived he threw himself down on the floor,  'like a praying arab'  the Portuguese police described him,  obviously not in touch with a father who had lost his child and had waited so long for the police to be doing something,  the man was in absolute despair.

So do you have a cite for any Portuguese policeman describing them as 'praying arabs'?
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Offline Angelo222

Re: The name calling which marks this case out.
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2018, 12:11:23 PM »
I didn't say the first two policemen called the McCann's praying arabs,   I said Kate called them Tweddle Dee and Tweedle Dum and was called nasty for doing so,   when the Portuguese police called the McCann's praying arabs, when they were distraught in the bedroom,  and they weren't called nasty were they?

Ok CORRECTION !!    It was when Gerry so relieved the Police had finally arrived he threw himself down on the floor,  'like a praying arab'  the Portuguese police described him,  obviously not in touch with a father who had lost his child and had waited so long for the police to be doing something,  the man was in absolute despair.

The first GNR officers to attend the scene spoke of an incoherent group who had all been drinking and how it was difficult to get any sense out of them.  They found the whole episode very strange and that is why they called in the PJ.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1568477/Portuguese-police-admit-Madeleine-circus.html
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Offline Lace

Re: The name calling which marks this case out.
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2018, 06:17:27 PM »
So do you have a cite for any Portuguese policeman describing them as 'praying arabs'?

So,  if not the police,  who was it,  because I remember reading it.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: The name calling which marks this case out.
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2018, 07:00:48 PM »
So,  if not the police,  who was it,  because I remember reading it.

I take it you can't find a cite upholding your allegation about the Portuguese police? It was said, but not by the police as far as I know. They seem to be blamed for everything.
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Offline John

Re: The name calling which marks this case out.
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2018, 07:25:01 PM »
Kate is a terrible person for calling the two Policemen who were first to the scene 'Tweedledum and Tweedledee'  yet they called the McCann's 'praying arabs'  when the McCann's were distraught in their bedroom.  That's ok though.

I don't think the GNR officers ever referred to the incident as such, they were too professional to sink to those depths.
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