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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #60 on: May 07, 2018, 04:55:12 PM »
No idea but probably the same as he was doing from 8.45 to 9.15pm as per the Tapas timeline.
According to Jez Wilkins he was on his way back to his apartment when he met Gerry, his baby having fallen asleep and therefore no longer needing to be settled by walking the streets - how long would that have taken from the point at which he was conversing with Gerry?  Not 30 minutes surely?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #61 on: May 07, 2018, 04:57:57 PM »
Tannerman didn’t have a face, Smithman did and there was even an efit of that face, commissioned by the McCanns themselves.

As to the Met not pursuing the Smithman lead now, they certainly were in 2013. Perhaps they’re not now pursuing the lead because they have been given  information that has identified him ?
If they had been given any information which identified a suspect then they would have wanted to question that person as an arguido don't you agree?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline faithlilly

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #62 on: May 07, 2018, 05:02:42 PM »
According to Jez Wilkins he was on his way back to his apartment when he met Gerry, his baby having fallen asleep and therefore no longer needing to be settled by walking the streets - how long would that have taken from the point at which he was conversing with Gerry?  Not 30 minutes surely?


Q. Relative to the time I met Gerry McCann on the Thursday night of May 3, 2007;
As stated in my original deposition, I believe that I left the apartment around 20h30. I calculate that I met Gerry on the road between 20h45 and 21h15. I am aware of the importance of this hour and am also aware that the media announced our meeting time as 21h05. Even if this were correct, I have no idea from where such information originated. It is not possible to give you a more exact time.


It also would not have taken him 15 minutes to walk a few yards so someone’s timings are out.
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Offline jassi

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #63 on: May 07, 2018, 05:03:11 PM »
If they had been given any information which identified a suspect then they would have wanted to question that person as an arguido don't you agree?

In the context of your post, who is 'they'?  The smithman suspect may not be in Portugal.
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Offline jassi

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #64 on: May 07, 2018, 05:05:17 PM »
Maybe he went once more round the block, though one would expect him to remember that and mention it if that had been the case.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #65 on: May 07, 2018, 05:06:12 PM »
Your post is IMO a disgrace, and has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Jane Tanner talking to the media about her own feelings about anything.  Jane has been completely vindicated and does not need to crow about it to the Sun, the Mirror or any other publication IMO.  Good for her.

Thank you for sharing your opinion.  My post is so on thread-I was adding to your comment that why should JT talk to the gutter press. It must have thrown you that the McCanns used the gutter press on many occasions. oh should we sweep that under the carpet.

You have also been called out as you find the word disgraceful to describe my post, but not to condemn the actual author of those words .


JT Could have said sorry got it wrong AGAIN...
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #66 on: May 07, 2018, 05:10:45 PM »

Q. Relative to the time I met Gerry McCann on the Thursday night of May 3, 2007;
As stated in my original deposition, I believe that I left the apartment around 20h30. I calculate that I met Gerry on the road between 20h45 and 21h15. I am aware of the importance of this hour and am also aware that the media announced our meeting time as 21h05. Even if this were correct, I have no idea from where such information originated. It is not possible to give you a more exact time.


It also would not have taken him 15 minutes to walk a few yards so someone’s timings are out.
His child was asleep by the time he met Gerry so there was no need for him to go round the houses for 30 more minutes if it was 9pm when he had his encounter.  This strongly suggests that in his 30 minute window that he gives, it was closer to 9.15 than 8.45, not only that but Gerry and Kate had only just left the apartment at  8.30pm, so it's unlikely either would have got up to do a check until at least 30 minutes had passed.  Given all these factors I think it's reasonable to assume Gerry and Jez were engaged in conversation sometime between 9.05 and 9.15, all timings (including JT's and Doctor Totman's imprecise because no one was setting their watches at any given moment).
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #67 on: May 07, 2018, 05:11:09 PM »
Who said anything about crowing. A simple, sympathetic human interest story relaying her relief that she didn’t let Madeleine’s abductor slip through her fingers would be appropriate.

But not even a ‘ Miss Tanner was unavailable for comment’.

As to Tanner’s vindication, it was her along with the parents who sent the police forces involved in the case on a wild goose chase and wasted untold money and man hours. By pushing Tannerman as they did they could have let the real ( alleged) abductor slip through the net. Hasn’t that occurred to you ?


Excellent post Faith.

has anyone from the supporters club agreed?.. do we expect a reply? *&^^&
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #68 on: May 07, 2018, 05:13:17 PM »
Thank you for sharing your opinion.  My post is so on thread-I was adding to your comment that why should JT talk to the gutter press. It must have thrown you that the McCanns used the gutter press on many occasions. oh should we sweep that under the carpet.

You have also been called out as you find the word disgraceful to describe my post, but not to condemn the actual author of those words .


JT Could have said sorry got it wrong AGAIN...
JT has nothing to apologise for - unless you can explain why you think she should have known in advance that her sighting was of Dr Totman carrying his child home?  Also, you seem to be of the opinion that whatever the McCanns do has a bearing on what JT does - "they speak to the red tops therefore it must follow she would speak to the red tops" - can you explain the logic behind your thinking?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #69 on: May 07, 2018, 05:17:21 PM »

Q. Relative to the time I met Gerry McCann on the Thursday night of May 3, 2007;
As stated in my original deposition, I believe that I left the apartment around 20h30. I calculate that I met Gerry on the road between 20h45 and 21h15. I am aware of the importance of this hour and am also aware that the media announced our meeting time as 21h05. Even if this were correct, I have no idea from where such information originated. It is not possible to give you a more exact time.


It also would not have taken him 15 minutes to walk a few yards so someone’s timings are out.

in bold... interesting someone trying to pin a time to him.. one could  be forgiven for thinking someone needing a witness at a  certain time would have a hand in this time invention &^^&*  Now let me think... *%87
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #70 on: May 07, 2018, 05:23:32 PM »
JT has nothing to apologise for - unless you can explain why you think she should have known in advance that her sighting was of Dr Totman carrying his child home?  Also, you seem to be of the opinion that whatever the McCanns do has a bearing on what JT does - "they speak to the red tops therefore it must follow she would speak to the red tops" - can you explain the logic behind your thinking?

JT made a claim she saw an abductor!  Snet all and sundry on a wild goose chase... She didn't. time to move on from that revelation. It is your logical thinking that stipulates she should not  follow her friends choice of gutter press. I never buy them so no need for me to bother myself and I don't  explanations  on demand. My posts are quite transparent.

IMO the TAPAS have a lot to answer for. Their silence is a mark  of solidarity to the parents 'abduction from window theory' but offer NOTHING for a little girl who suffered god knows what.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #71 on: May 07, 2018, 05:38:58 PM »
JT made a claim she saw an abductor!  Snet all and sundry on a wild goose chase... She didn't. time to move on from that revelation. It is your logical thinking that stipulates she should not  follow her friends choice of gutter press. I never buy them so no need for me to bother myself and I don't  explanations  on demand. My posts are quite transparent.

IMO the TAPAS have a lot to answer for. Their silence is a mark  of solidarity to the parents 'abduction from window theory' but offer NOTHING for a little girl who suffered god knows what.
JT correctly stated she saw a man carrying a child in close proximity to the apartment where Madeleine went missing.  What, in the circumstances, do you think she should have done - kept quiet? Say "I saw a man carrying a child away from the direction of Apartment 5a but please don't follow it up, it's bound to be nothing relevant".  Over to you.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #72 on: May 07, 2018, 05:57:01 PM »
JT correctly stated she saw a man carrying a child in close proximity to the apartment where Madeleine went missing.  What, in the circumstances, do you think she should have done - kept quiet? Say "I saw a man carrying a child away from the direction of Apartment 5a but please don't follow it up, it's bound to be nothing relevant".  Over to you.


Oh that is what happened, she thought it was, then knew it was. told Kate...

 because I am sure you recall previous posts where I wondered why Kate knew right away MBM was 'abducted' but didn't scream from the balcony or call the police right away and wasted time 'looking' for her around the apartment. it was a bit later JT mentioned she saw....'The Abductor'. And this is what we have been getting chucked at us for all this time.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline jassi

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #73 on: May 07, 2018, 06:19:59 PM »

Oh that is what happened, she thought it was, then knew it was. told Kate...

 because I am sure you recall previous posts where I wondered why Kate knew right away MBM was 'abducted' but didn't scream from the balcony or call the police right away and wasted time 'looking' for her around the apartment. it was a bit later JT mentioned she saw....'The Abductor'. And this is what we have been getting chucked at us for all this time.

So desperate for it to be true because it 'proved' an abduction -  IMO

I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #74 on: May 07, 2018, 06:34:57 PM »
Tannerman didn’t have a face, Smithman did and there was even an efit of that face, commissioned by the McCanns themselves.

As to the Met not pursuing the Smithman lead now, they certainly were in 2013. Perhaps they’re not now pursuing the lead because they have been given  information that has identified him ?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10379047/Madeleine-McCann-two-callers-name-man-in-e-fit-pictures.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-mccann-inquiry/uk-police-explore-new-line-of-investigation-over-missing-mccann-idUSBRE99C03320131013
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