Crecheman's identity finally revealed

[faithlilly]

She was right about seeing Totman, he said he was the right man at the right place at the right time, Jez puts Gerry outside the apartment within the same time frame, so where else do you think Gerry might have been?

Wilkins can’t give a more precise timeframe than thirty minutes. At the time of Tanner’s sighting it is possible Gerry was already back at the table.

Alternative timeframe......9pm Gerry does check. Meets Jez. Back at table by 9.05-9.10pm.
                                      9.15pm Tanner sees Chrecheman.

[faithlilly]

Your post is IMO a disgrace, and has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Jane Tanner talking to the media about her own feelings about anything.  Jane has been completely vindicated and does not need to crow about it to the Sun, the Mirror or any other publication IMO.  Good for her.

Who said anything about crowing. A simple, sympathetic human interest story relaying her relief that she didn’t let Madeleine’s abductor slip through her fingers would be appropriate.

But not even a ‘ Miss Tanner was unavailable for comment’.

As to Tanner’s vindication, it was her along with the parents who sent the police forces involved in the case on a wild goose chase and wasted untold money and man hours. By pushing Tannerman as they did they could have let the real ( alleged) abductor slip through the net. Hasn’t that occurred to you ?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Who said anything about crowing. A simple, sympathetic human interest story relaying her relief that she didn’t let Madeleine’s abductor slip through her fingers would be appropriate.

But not even a ‘ Miss Tanner was unavailable for comment’.

As to Tanner’s vindication, it was her along with the parents who sent the police forces involved in the case on a wild goose chase and wasted untold money and man hours. By pushing Tannerman as they did they could have let the real ( alleged) abductor slip through the net. Hasn’t that occurred to you ?

Has it not occurred to you that as they had no idea as to the identity of the man seen carrying a small girl away from the very close proximity of Madeleine's apartment on the night she vanished, that they had very good grounds to suspect the sighting might be valid, or do you think they should have known in advance that it wasn't an abductor?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Wilkins can’t give a more precise timeframe than thirty minutes. At the time of Tanner’s sighting it is possible Gerry was already back at the table.

Alternative timeframe......9pm Gerry does check. Meets Jez. Back at table by 9.05-9.10pm.
                                      9.15pm Tanner sees Chrecheman.

Sure make up any timeline you want to suit your theories, and pick and choose whose testimony you want to believe, it's no skin off my nose.  How does your timeline fit in with everyone else's testimony though?  For example, what time did Jez's wife say in her Guardian article that he got back to their apartment?

[faithlilly]

Sure make up any timeline you want to suit your theories, and pick and choose whose testimony you want to believe, it's no skin off my nose.  How does your timeline fit in with everyone else's testimony though?  For example, what time did Jez's wife say in her Guardian article that he got back to their apartment?

O’Donnell says 9.30 so that doesn’t help.

[faithlilly]

Has it not occurred to you that as they had no idea as to the identity of the man seen carrying a small girl away from the very close proximity of Madeleine's apartment on the night she vanished, that they had very good grounds to suspect the sighting might be valid, or do you think they should have known in advance that it wasn't an abductor?

There was two sightings that night, Smithman and Tannerman. Why did the McCanns push Tannerman and all but ignore Smithman ? Why did they push Tannerman when they had a much clearer description of Smithman ?

[slartibartfast]

There was two sightings that night, Smithman and Tannerman. Why did the McCanns push Tannerman and all but ignore Smithman ? Why did they push Tannerman when they had a much clearer description of Smithman ?

Maybe it would have been completely distracting.

[Vertigo Swirl]

There was two sightings that night, Smithman and Tannerman. Why did the McCanns push Tannerman and all but ignore Smithman ? Why did they push Tannerman when they had a much clearer description of Smithman ?

Tannerman's description was pretty clear too as we now know.  There is nothing to suggest that the Smithman's sighting was in any way accurate, the e-fits were compiled using information from individuals who at the time claimed not to get a good look at the man's face, and we now know that the Met are not pursuing that lead either, so....

[Vertigo Swirl]

O’Donnell says 9.30 so that doesn’t help.

So by your timeline what was Jez doing for half an hour then?

[jassi]

Tannerman's description was pretty clear too as we now know.  There is nothing to suggest that the Smithman's sighting was in any way accurate, the e-fits were compiled using information from individuals who at the time claimed not to get a good look at the man's face, and we now know that the Met are not pursuing that lead either, so....

Do we?  Have you a cite for that ?

[G-Unit]

The Tapas booking sheet gives the apartment number:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAPAS_BOOKING.htm

It looks like G4M.

Isn't that the block further along from 5A?

It's the block joined onto 5, yes. The McCanns were moved to G4G after their daughter's disappearance. The Totman's were in G4M and their 'pals' the Weinburgers were in G4L.

There's no statements from either family in the PJ files, but Mrs Weinburger told her story to Edgar and Cowley at some point, I believe.

[Innominate]

It's the block joined onto 5, yes. The McCanns were moved to G4G after their daughter's disappearance. The Totman's were in G4M and their 'pals' the Weinburgers were in G4L.

There's no statements from either family in the PJ files, but Mrs Weinburger told her story to Edgar and Cowley at some point, I believe.

Thanks.

Just found a clear map as well:

http://luzoceanclub.com/content/uploads/LUZ-OCEAN-CLUB-MAP.pdf

So, providing I'm understanding this correctly, the Totman direction is completely opposite to the direction claimed by JT.

Plus, if JT was fairly close to the top of the road she would have been following Totman when she rounded the corner, which should have been pretty obvious to her.

Totman clearly believes he was in the area at around 9:15 otherwise he would not have believed JT had seen him. It is not mentioned whether Totman saw JT or anyone else.

With Totman (and the Moyes) returning to their apartment it looks, in my opinion, highly unlikely that MBM could have been abducted from the apartment at that time, because of all the witnesses in the area.

[faithlilly]

So by your timeline what was Jez doing for half an hour then?

No idea but probably the same as he was doing from 8.45 to 9.15pm as per the Tapas timeline.

[faithlilly]

Tannerman's description was pretty clear too as we now know.  There is nothing to suggest that the Smithman's sighting was in any way accurate, the e-fits were compiled using information from individuals who at the time claimed not to get a good look at the man's face, and we now know that the Met are not pursuing that lead either, so....

Tannerman didn’t have a face, Smithman did and there was even an efit of that face, commissioned by the McCanns themselves.

As to the Met not pursuing the Smithman lead now, they certainly were in 2013. Perhaps they’re not now pursuing the lead because they have been given  information that has identified him ?

[Alice Purjorick]

Doing a selective bit of precis-ing:

But Portuguese officers continued to pursue the line of inquiry triggered by Jane Tanner, a friend of Kate and Gerry McCann.

She said she saw a dark-haired man wearing a brown jacket, dark shoes and tan trousers carrying a child in pink and white pyjamas.
Ms Tanner was one of the so-called Tapas Seven — the friends and family members dining with the McCanns at the time Maddie disappeared.

She was on her way to check on her kids at 9.15pm when she saw the man near Kate and Gerry’s apartment.
Ms Tanner later defied police orders to not comment publicly on what she saw.

She said: “I think it’s important that people know what I saw because I believe Madeleine was abducted.’’

And with Portuguese laws prohibiting the release of photofits of suspects, the McCanns put out an artist’s sketch of “Tannerman” in October 2007.
Det Chief Insp Andy Redwood described it as a “moment of revelation”.

He said: “We are almost certain now this sighting [Tannerman] is not the abductor.”


Just what is this story trying to tell us?