Crecheman's identity finally revealed

[faithlilly]

His child was asleep by the time he met Gerry so there was no need for him to go round the houses for 30 more minutes if it was 9pm when he had his encounter.  This strongly suggests that in his 30 minute window that he gives, it was closer to 9.15 than 8.45, not only that but Gerry and Kate had only just left the apartment at  8.30pm, so it's unlikely either would have got up to do a check until at least 30 minutes had passed.  Given all these factors I think it's reasonable to assume Gerry and Jez were engaged in conversation sometime between 9.05 and 9.15, all timings (including JT's and Doctor Totman's imprecise because no one was setting their watches at any given moment).

And if O’Donnell’s timing is out ? After all she had no reason to be watching the clock.

[Miss Taken Identity]

So desperate for it to be true because it 'proved' an abduction -  IMO

Indeed so much so that  her memory improved each time- to seeing white Pyjamas to seeing pink with details...on a dark night etc etc... and the time line did change DRAMATICALLY.

[Miss Taken Identity]

His child was asleep by the time he met Gerry so there was no need for him to go round the houses for 30 more minutes if it was 9pm when he had his encounter.  This strongly suggests that in his 30 minute window that he gives, it was closer to 9.15 than 8.45, not only that but Gerry and Kate had only just left the apartment at  8.30pm, so it's unlikely either would have got up to do a check until at least 30 minutes had passed.  Given all these factors I think it's reasonable to assume Gerry and Jez were engaged in conversation sometime between 9.05 and 9.15, all timings (including JT's and Doctor Totman's imprecise because no one was setting their watches at any given moment).

Reasonable assumptions.... is that what you are using to convince the unconvinced that everyone is wrong apart from the McCanns?  Sticking to facts would be better appreciated.

[G-Unit]

Let's hope it's not just more fake news like the woman in purple. I do wonder when they call Jeni Weinburger Julia.

[faithlilly]

Doing a selective bit of precis-ing:

But Portuguese officers continued to pursue the line of inquiry triggered by Jane Tanner, a friend of Kate and Gerry McCann.

She said she saw a dark-haired man wearing a brown jacket, dark shoes and tan trousers carrying a child in pink and white pyjamas.
Ms Tanner was one of the so-called Tapas Seven — the friends and family members dining with the McCanns at the time Maddie disappeared.

She was on her way to check on her kids at 9.15pm when she saw the man near Kate and Gerry’s apartment.
Ms Tanner later defied police orders to not comment publicly on what she saw.

She said: “I think it’s important that people know what I saw because I believe Madeleine was abducted.’’

And with Portuguese laws prohibiting the release of photofits of suspects, the McCanns put out an artist’s sketch of “Tannerman” in October 2007.
Det Chief Insp Andy Redwood described it as a “moment of revelation”.

He said: “We are almost certain now this sighting [Tannerman] is not the abductor.”


Just what is this story trying to tell us?

Are we seeing the undermining of Tanner as a witness ? Is this the inevitable throwing under the bus of Tanner ?

[G-Unit]

Are we seeing the undermining of Tanner as a witness ? Is this the inevitable throwing under the bus of Tanner ?

The options are;

Totman was going towards the creche, in which case he needs to explain why.

Totman was returning from the creche, in which case Jane Tanner needs to explain why she said he was going the other way.

[Angelo222]

She was right about seeing Totman, he said he was the right man at the right place at the right time, Jez puts Gerry outside the apartment within the same time frame, so where else do you think Gerry might have been?

Tanner put two and two together and came up with a false scenario.  Her mistaken identification of an abductor has wasted thousands of police hours looking for a ghost.  It also destroyed Murat's life and reputation.  Maybe he will sue her now?

[Angelo222]

Wilkins can’t give a more precise timeframe than thirty minutes. At the time of Tanner’s sighting it is possible Gerry was already back at the table.

Alternative timeframe......9pm Gerry does check. Meets Jez. Back at table by 9.05-9.10pm.
                                      9.15pm Tanner sees Chrecheman.

Amaral was convinced that Tanner saw the man from her balcony and not as she walked up the street.

[faithlilly]

Tanner put two and two together and came up with a false scenario.  Her mistaken identification of an abductor has wasted thousands of police hours looking for a ghost.  It also destroyed Murat's life and reputation.  Maybe he will sue her now?

I wonder if Tanner’s been offered immunity?

[Angelo222]

What strikes me most about this latest revelation is the number of people wandering around the streets bordering block 5 yet nobody actually saw Maddie.

[barrier]

What strikes me most about this latest revelation is the number of people wandering around the streets bordering block 5 yet nobody actually saw Maddie.

More is less.

[misty]

Amaral was convinced that Tanner saw the man from her balcony and not as she walked up the street.

The balcony of Jane's apartment was at the rear of the property, so there would have been no view from there of Rua Dr Agostinho da Silva.

[Robittybob1]

Gunit has already furbished us with  very interesting information.  Totman family in the same block, booked to play tennis ,and as Barrier asked  was the Julian who played tennis with Gerry the same Julian Totman?

What more information do you need?. It would seem  some of fathers  holidaying, except the tapas parents, were  picking up/trying to get children to sleep, caring and looking after their  children.



Interesting the Sun mentions that the OG will be wound up in October...

They didn't answer the questions I raised.

[misty]

What strikes me most about this latest revelation is the number of people wandering around the streets bordering block 5 yet nobody actually saw Maddie.

How many people could see the front door of 5A from the street without turning to look?

Jane thought she saw Madeleine being carried away to the east. If Dr. Totman walked east with his child, nobody saw him walking back again to Block 4.

[Robittybob1]

Totmans had a booking for 8pm for 2+1 in the Tapas Restaurant, so maybe one child there and one in the crèche?

  That was for the Tuesday but it is still possible that was the pattern so he may have been taking the child to somewhere else rather than "home" for we don't know where the rest of the family was at the time.