Crecheman's identity finally revealed

[Vertigo Swirl]

And if O’Donnell’s timing is out ? After all she had no reason to be watching the clock.

We may as well abandon all timelines then and just believe whatever suits, ok?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Tanner put two and two together and came up with a false scenario.  Her mistaken identification of an abductor has wasted thousands of police hours looking for a ghost.  It also destroyed Murat's life and reputation.  Maybe he will sue her now?

I cannot believe what I am reading, frankly.  Perhaps you can tell me what you would have done if you’d seen a man walking away from apartment 5a on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance, kept it to yourself?  On what grounds can Murat sue JT based on this latest information?

[Robittybob1]

Indeed so much so that  her memory improved each time- to seeing white Pyjamas to seeing pink with details...on a dark night etc etc... and the time line did change DRAMATICALLY.

Studies on memory have shown these things can happen to many people.  Could we say the same about the Smiths?

[faithlilly]

We may as well abandon all timelines then and just believe whatever suits, ok?

Not sure what you mean. Wilkins gives the timeframe of his chat with Gerry between 8.45 and 9.15pm so it is possible that the chat was earlier.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Not sure what you mean. Wilkins gives the timeframe of his chat with Gerry between 8.45 and 9.15pm so it is possible that the chat was earlier.

And I gave a reasoned reply as to why I thought it was likely to be later in that timeframe than earlier, Russell O’Brien also puts Gerry leaving the tapas table at around 9pm but if you choose to disbelieve all the witness statements that don’t fit your theory then you can make it work.

[Robittybob1]

JT has nothing to apologise for - unless you can explain why you think she should have known in advance that her sighting was of Dr Totman carrying his child home?  Also, you seem to be of the opinion that whatever the McCanns do has a bearing on what JT does - "they speak to the red tops therefore it must follow she would speak to the red tops" - can you explain the logic behind your thinking?

If Totman was going home he would have been walking in the opposite direction.  He was walking away from home rather than towards his apartment according to Jane.

[Robittybob1]

Not sure what you mean. Wilkins gives the timeframe of his chat with Gerry between 8.45 and 9.15pm so it is possible that the chat was earlier.

Only if he was talking to himself.  To chat with Gerry it had to be while Gerry was up near the apartment.

[Robittybob1]

What strikes me most about this latest revelation is the number of people wandering around the streets bordering block 5 yet nobody actually saw Maddie.

IMO and in my theory an abductor did.

[Robittybob1]

The balcony of Jane's apartment was at the rear of the property, so there would have been no view from there of Rua Dr Agostinho da Silva.

OK but if this was the case (from the balcony) at least the man could be crossing her visual field in the right direction.  What I have noted is that we don't always know what we are seeing but we alawys know in what direction it crossed our visual field. 
Jane describes someone moving from the left to the right (fixed) so whereabouts could she have been to see that happen?  If Tannerman was walking from the left to the right and Jane was in her apartment, Tannerman would have had to come out of the patio side of the McCann's apartment (it is possible climb over the garden fence).  I find it hard to think Jane was that confused as to where she was at the time.

[misty]

OK but if this was the case (from the balcony) at least the man could be crossing her visual field in the right direction.  What I have noted is that we don't always know what we are seeing but we alawys know in what direction it crossed our visual field. 
Jane describes someone moving from the left to the right (fixed) so whereabouts could she have been to see that happen?  If Tannerman was walking from the left to the right and Jane was in her apartment, Tannerman would have had to come out of the patio side of the McCann's apartment (it is possible climb over the garden fence).  I find it hard to think Jane was that confused as to where she was at the time.

Amaral places Jane at the front of her apartment in O Enigma & shows Tannerman walking from East to West.

Jane's diagram of 4/5/07  & the subsequent reconstruction for TV later that year could not be clearer & more different.

[faithlilly]

And I gave a reasoned reply as to why I thought it was likely to be later in that timeframe than earlier, Russell O’Brien also puts Gerry leaving the tapas table at around 9pm but if you choose to disbelieve all the witness statements that don’t fit your theory then you can make it work.

O’Brien adds weight to my alternative timeframe.

Alternative timeframe......9pm Gerry does check. Meets Jez. Back at table by 9.05-9.10pm.
                                      9.15pm Tanner sees Chrecheman.

[Robittybob1]

Thanks.

Just found a clear map as well:

http://luzoceanclub.com/content/uploads/LUZ-OCEAN-CLUB-MAP.pdf

So, providing I'm understanding this correctly, the Totman direction is completely opposite to the direction claimed by JT.

Plus, if JT was fairly close to the top of the road she would have been following Totman when she rounded the corner, which should have been pretty obvious to her.

Totman clearly believes he was in the area at around 9:15 otherwise he would not have believed JT had seen him. It is not mentioned whether Totman saw JT or anyone else.

With Totman (and the Moyes) returning to their apartment it looks, in my opinion, highly unlikely that MBM could have been abducted from the apartment at that time, because of all the witnesses in the area.

That is why I say we need a statement from Totman saying where he was actually going.  I could imagine that he had already been home and was going out again, maybe to a friends place close by carrying the little girl.  If it was him, but we should have that from his own words.

[Robittybob1]

O’Brien adds weight to my alternative timeframe.

Alternative timeframe......9pm Gerry does check. Meets Jez. Back at table by 9.05-9.10pm.
                                      9.15pm Tanner sees Chrecheman.

What are the words from ROB statement the support your contention "O’Brien adds weight to my alternative timeframe"?

[Robittybob1]

Indeed so much so that  her memory improved each time- to seeing white Pyjamas to seeing pink with details...on a dark night etc etc... and the time line did change DRAMATICALLY.

Where is the proof the timeline changed dramatically.

[faithlilly]

And I gave a reasoned reply as to why I thought it was likely to be later in that timeframe than earlier, Russell O’Brien also puts Gerry leaving the tapas table at around 9pm but if you choose to disbelieve all the witness statements that don’t fit your theory then you can make it work.

Russell O’Brien puts Gerry as leaving at around 9pm ( from your post )

From Dianne Webster’s May 11th statement.

‘- That night she judges to have arrived at the restaurant close to 21:00, in the company of the PAYNE couple.
- That, at that time, the whole group were at the restaurant. The witness did not recall, but thinks that perhaps Gerald and MATT had not been in the restaurant along with the other members of the group. ‘

So that’s two of the group that place Gerry away from the table around 9.

And also from Dianne Webster.

‘She clarifies that the practice was for each couple to check their own children, it not being usual for anyone to check the children of other couples.’

So IMO potentially Gerry and not Matt could have checked his children at 9.30.

This IMO would explain why Gerry was behaving normally while chatting with Wilkins. If the disappearance was discovered at 9.30 IMO it would also explain the earlier searching as described by several witnesses.