Author Topic: Trudie Benjamin - 'Why I believe Jeremy Bamber is innocent'.  (Read 8380 times)

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Offline adam

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.jeremybambertestimony.co.uk/tru&ved=2ahUKEwjFxby_zvTaAhUDC8AKHcoxDPcQFjACegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw3LMIM5LeAFKu_vnq6fizQX

All of her reasons have been discussed before & have strong counter arguments.  So strong that a conviction has stood for 33 years.

As usual it is a combination of the relatives, police & Julie. But no mention of the experts.

She said there was no gun shot residue on Bamber. I was not aware he was tested on the night.

« Last Edit: May 07, 2018, 11:36:10 PM by adam »

Offline Alice

Re: Trudie Benjamin - 'Why I believe Jeremy Bamber is innocent'.
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2018, 07:31:44 AM »
He wasn't tested and would have had ample opportunity to wash even if he had been. The elephant in the room is no residue or oil on Sheila's hands.

Offline Caroline

Re: Trudie Benjamin - 'Why I believe Jeremy Bamber is innocent'.
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2018, 10:19:48 AM »
He wasn't tested and would have had ample opportunity to wash even if he had been. The elephant in the room is no residue or oil on Sheila's hands.

Or on her nightdress. Also, no blood spatter from any of the victims.

Offline Real justice

Re: Trudie Benjamin - 'Why I believe Jeremy Bamber is innocent'.
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2018, 12:25:55 PM »
He wasn't tested and would have had ample opportunity to wash even if he had been. The elephant in the room is no residue or oil on Sheila's hands.
Well pointed out Alice, often a fact overlooked, the lack of evidence on Sheila.

Offline adam

Re: Trudie Benjamin - 'Why I believe Jeremy Bamber is innocent'.
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2018, 01:33:09 PM »
Short answers to Trudies reasons -


•   No forensics link Jeremy to the murders.

Wrong. No evidence on Sheila incriminates Bamber.

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•   There was more than one sound moderator, exhibit labels were manipulated and four moderators were passed off to the jury as one and recent forensics have revealed that the silencer wasn’t even used in the murders.

This is similar to Mike's theories.

Have there been 'recent forensic tests' ?


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•   We are asked to believe that Jeremy was able to get Shelia to calmly lay down whilst he shot her after first killing her children and her parents.  I conclude that this would have been impossible.

Not impossible. Pretty easy as she was under sedation & a light woman.

What is Trudies Sheila scenario
?


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•   We are asked to believe that Jeremy got from the murder scene home in time to make a phone call and leave no forensic trace.  No Mud, blood or gun shot residue. I conclude that this would have been impossible.

He was not tested for gun shot residue.


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•   We now know that Nevill called the police also, a fact that the jury never heard.

That is alright then.



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•   Non-disclosure of evidence by Essex Police in this case stinks of a cover-up.  In fact the 1986 Dickinson report into their conduct was a whitewash based on the biased testimony of Jeremy’s relatives.  The very fact that the original murder/suicide file remains under PII is very suspicious.

Supporters have conflicting views on whether Bamber has everything. But no harm in always saying he hasn't.



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•   We know that the police made a mess of the investigation but failing to mention for twenty odd years that they used the bodies in a training exercise and, furthermore, re-staged and photographed Shelia with the gun and then tried to make out it was Jeremy who had done the staging, is appalling.

When was this training exercise ?


How does this show Bamber is innocent ?


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•   The relatives were terrified that they were going to lose their land and livelihood should Jeremy inherit and had everything to gain from Jeremy’s conviction.  Certain members of the family were also incredulous that the “adopted” son would inherit everything.

This is accusing the relatives of fabricating the silencer. Which was the only piece of evidence they had access to.

How did the relatives fabricating one silencer, turn into 4 silencers for the jury ?



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•   Julie Mugford was a bitter jealous jilted woman, who would have been charged with drug offences, cheque book fraud and burglary.  Instead she got the ultimate revenge on Jeremy and gained £25K from the NOTW and immunity from prosecution.  Not hard to see why she lied.

Julie would not have been arrested for anything if she had not approached the police.


Julie must have been jealous. And totally mad.


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•   Whose fingerprints were on the Bible and why was this never disclosed?

Sheila may have touched June's bible pre massacre. Or Bamber put her hand on it when trying different staging positions.

As she says, no one knows. So does not show Bamber is innocent.



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•   Why were exhibits destroyed despite a Court Order for them to be retained?

No idea. It had been a long time since the conviction.

What items ?



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•   Why was it claimed that Shelia’s feet were clean when actually photographs show otherwise?

One photo shows redness.


Certainly no foot injuries


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•   Jeremy passed a lie detector test.  This in itself as been criticised as a meaningless exercise but most importantly for me is why on earth would he push so hard to take it if he was guilty and risked failing.   Now that would have been game over!

Correct, it means nothing. If he had failed, it would have been kept quiet.


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« Last Edit: May 09, 2018, 01:58:31 PM by adam »

Offline adam

Re: Trudie Benjamin - 'Why I believe Jeremy Bamber is innocent'.
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2018, 02:11:46 PM »
In isolation, only Nevill calling the police would show Bamber was innocent.

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Julie retracting her statement would result in a release. However there was still the forensic & circumstantial evidence against him. So no certainty of innocence. Just a jealous girlfriend.

The relatives admitting they fabricated one piece of evidence would result in a release. However there is still a lot more forensic & circumstantial evidence against him. So no certainty of innocence. Just crazy relatives.

These two things together would be much more convincing.

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The rest of Trudie's points would not result in a release, if correct. Either in isolation or together. Unless the police admit to the 'cover up/whitewash' she suggested. 
« Last Edit: May 09, 2018, 02:14:57 PM by adam »

Offline Alice

Re: Trudie Benjamin - 'Why I believe Jeremy Bamber is innocent'.
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2018, 04:21:33 PM »
Is there any hard evidence that Nevill called the police? The log seems crystal clear in that it records Jeremy's call only. It would be impossible for an injured man to make that call and not leave a blood stain on the phone I'd have thought?

Offline adam

Re: Trudie Benjamin - 'Why I believe Jeremy Bamber is innocent'.
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2018, 05:20:11 PM »
Everyone associated with the 'Campaign for Freedom' say Nevill called the police. There has to be unity here.

Away from the CFF, on the Blue & Red forums, most supporters say Nevill did not call the police. Espescially after they attempt a 'Sheila Scenario'. Sherlock intially had Nevill calling the police in his scenario, but retracted this after around 20 minutes.

I believe Mike & Roch support Nevill phoning the police. However their Sheila scenarios are very vague. Mike saying 'By shooting them' & Roch saying 'Sheila shot them but I can't explain the phone calls'.

Nugs & Maggie have never given a Sheila scenario & won't make any committment on Nevill phoning the police.

Offline adam

Re: Trudie Benjamin - 'Why I believe Jeremy Bamber is innocent'.
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2018, 05:26:49 PM »
Nigel gave a scenario this month where Sheila had an accomplice (not Bamber). He posted -

'Phone call by NEVILLE to police, not sure how that happened, but stranger things have occured. and I need more time to think about this important point.'

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9428.0.html

Offline Alice

Re: Trudie Benjamin - 'Why I believe Jeremy Bamber is innocent'.
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2018, 05:37:56 PM »
Sadly in my opinion the facts show that Nevill called no one as he was too busy desperately fighting to disarm Jeremy.

Offline Real justice

Re: Trudie Benjamin - 'Why I believe Jeremy Bamber is innocent'.
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2018, 05:59:26 PM »
Sadly in my opinion the facts show that Nevill called no one as he was too busy desperately fighting to disarm Jeremy.
Correct Alice, also you have to ask yourself why Jeremy never called 999 having supposedly receiving a frantic call from his father for help?

Offline adam

Re: Trudie Benjamin - 'Why I believe Jeremy Bamber is innocent'.
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2018, 08:24:00 PM »
Bit disappointed with Trudie's list. All things that have been gone over a lot on both forums.

Mike, Nugs & Roch come up with much more interesting theories.

Offline Alice

Re: Trudie Benjamin - 'Why I believe Jeremy Bamber is innocent'.
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2018, 08:38:50 PM »
Yes that place is a mine of lunacy. Sheila barking like a dog and numerology where everyone adds up to nine! Thoroughly offensive to the memory of a seemingly gentle soul murdered in cold blood.

Offline Nicholas

Re: Trudie Benjamin - 'Why I believe Jeremy Bamber is innocent'.
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2018, 09:27:34 PM »
Yes that place is a mine of lunacy. Sheila barking like a dog and numerology where everyone adds up to nine! Thoroughly offensive to the memory of a seemingly gentle soul murdered in cold blood.

And Roch's psychological projections: "Thinking of registering on red forum as either 'ActualRoch' or 'RealRoch'.  Seems like those prefixes are a tried and tested method to post shit-stirring tripe  @)(++(*
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Trudie Benjamin - 'Why I believe Jeremy Bamber is innocent'.
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2018, 12:09:39 PM »
He wasn't tested and would have had ample opportunity to wash even if he had been. The elephant in the room is no residue or oil on Sheila's hands.

SC's hands (swabs) were not tested for gsr.  Oil on hands from firearm discharge doesn't feature as a recognised forensic test.  Where would oil come from? 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?