Author Topic: Tannerman, Crècheman, Innocentman and now TOTman. Could you make it up?  (Read 802 times)

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Online Vertigo Swirl

Not what my posts says, that's just your twist.
Jane Tanner saw a man who turns out to be Totman.  Totman was on the tennis circuit and so would be known by the Tapas group (according to you).  So if you’re not saying it’s a fact JT knew the id of the man she saw, what are you saying?

Offline Faithlilly

So it’s a fact that Jane Tanner knew the identity of the man she saw now is it?

If this Julian is the same Julian then Tanner would have seen him when she was watching while the men played tennis on the evening of 3rd of May.

From Gerry’.

------ That they bathed the children, the deponent having left at 18H00 for a tennis game only for men, at which were: DAN, tennis instructor; JULIAN, with whom he had played tennis several times; and CURTIS, with whom he had also played.
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Offline jassi

Jane Tanner saw a man who turns out to be Totman.  Totman was on the tennis circuit and so would be known by the Tapas group (according to you).  So if you’re not saying it’s a fact JT knew the id of the man she saw, what are you saying?

I'm saying he would be known to the group.
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
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Or maybe not -   11 years and still no solution.

Online Vertigo Swirl

I'm saying he would be known to the group.
Jane Tanner included, as she is a member of the group?

Offline Faithlilly

Jane Tanner included, as she is a member of the group?

If she had seen him at the tennis courts on the 3rd she’d certainly know him by sight.
Moral Guilt
Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent the murderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
Robert Anderson

Offline Eleanor

This is getting ridiculous.  I don't know whether to laugh or cry.  He knew The McCanns?  They knew him?  Did he know Madeleine, does anyone think?

Offline Faithlilly

This is getting ridiculous.  I don't know whether to laugh or cry.  He knew The McCanns?  They knew him?  Did he know Madeleine, does anyone think?

If he is Julian the tennis player then he certainly knew Gerry. Gerry said as much.
Moral Guilt
Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent the murderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
Robert Anderson

Offline Eleanor

If he is Julian the tennis player then he certainly knew Gerry. Gerry said as much.

Could you supply a Cite for what Gerry said?  Thanks in advance.

Offline Brietta

If Jane Tanner knew Dr Totman she would have recognised him had she seen him passing relatively closely in front of her.

The fact that she did not, suggests to me that the man she did see was Tannerman whoever he may be, and not Dr Totman.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline John

If Jane Tanner knew Dr Totman she would have recognised him had she seen him passing relatively closely in front of her.

The fact that she did not, suggests to me that the man she did see was Tannerman whoever he may be, and not Dr Totman.

I have great sympathy with that suggestion Brietta and especially since he was going the wrong way.  The mystery deepens!
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Offline Eleanor


It is quite obvious to me, IMO, that Totman and Tannerman are not the same person. IMO.

Offline John

It is quite obvious to me, IMO, that Totman and Tannerman are not the same person. IMO.

How anyone could lift a child out of an apartment and get clean away with so many tourists and locals wandering about is definitely a bit of a mystery.  The other element to this is why even risk it?
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Online pathfinder73

It is quite obvious to me, IMO, that Totman and Tannerman are not the same person. IMO.

What is obvious is that Totman/Crecheman clothes and child matched Jane's description so you come to the unbelievable conclusion that there was another man/child matching Jane's description at the same time?
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

How anyone could lift a child out of an apartment and get clean away with so many tourists and locals wandering about is definitely a bit of a mystery.  The other element to this is why even risk it?

Unless corroborated by other witness statements we know nothing about ... no-one saw Jes Wilkins and son on his perambulations around Luz.  No-one saw Mr and Mrs Moyes returning from the restaurant where they dined, crossing the car park and entering the building.  No-one mentions the woman Mrs Murat saw, indeed no-one mentions Mrs Murat.

Either people in Luz were singularly unobservant or it was really quiet with not too many people out and about at that time.  Madeleine was very tired that night ... maybe other holidaymakers' children were too and most were indoors and dining at home given that we are told it was quite a chilly night.

Why would anyone risk kidnapping a child under any circumstances anyway?  If Tannerman actually was the man who did, the risk paid off for him as when seen Jane assumed he was innocently carrying his own child home and the alarm wasn't raised till some time later.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline Brietta

What is obvious is that Totman/Crecheman clothes and child matched Jane's description so you come to the unbelievable conclusion that there was another man/child matching Jane's description at the same time?
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9475.msg460800#msg460800

The man seen by Gail Cooper may match ... but definitely on the 3rd of May two other men each carrying a child were observed.  Firstly by Mr McCluskey ... 'McCluskeyman'? and by Mr Smith ... Smithman.

By my count that makes four.  Who knows how many more called in following OG appeals.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"