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Offline Angelo222

Eleven years on, has Maddie been given up for dead?
« on: May 22, 2018, 08:50:24 PM »
Here we are eleven years on from the night that Madeleine McCann mysteriously disappeared from her parents holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on the Algarve and for once the entire case appears to be waning.  No public statement from her parents this anniversary and nothing of interest from either the Portuguese or English police.  Not even an explanation as to how they managed to spend over eleven million quid allegedly looking for the child and still come up with nothing.

Has the time come to put the case to bed?

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Re: Eleven years on, has Maddie been given up for dead?
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2018, 09:37:28 PM »
Last year when they interview Do Carmo of the PJ he was emphasising how the investigation will not stop for they need to know where they went wrong with the investigation.  https://youtu.be/vQq8XA5IRVs?t=102
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Re: Eleven years on, has Maddie been given up for dead?
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2018, 06:33:03 AM »
Last year when they interview Do Carmo of the PJ he was emphasising how the investigation will not stop for they need to know where they went wrong with the investigation.  https://youtu.be/vQq8XA5IRVs?t=102

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Eleven years on, has Maddie been given up for dead?
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2018, 08:03:12 AM »
Here we are eleven years on from the night that Madeleine McCann mysteriously disappeared from her parents holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on the Algarve and for once the entire case appears to be waning.  No public statement from her parents this anniversary and nothing of interest from either the Portuguese or English police.  Not even an explanation as to how they managed to spend over eleven million quid allegedly looking for the child and still come up with nothing.

Has the time come to put the case to bed?
Madeleine was given up for dead back in 2007 by the PJ IMO, but I donít think itís for us to decide what is appropriate now as we donít know what the current investigation knows - you cannot know they have come up with nothing, unless youíre claiming insider information?.  In any case, even if Madeleine is dead (which is likely imo) then there is the small matter of bringing to justice those responsible for her disappearance and death, isnít justice worth pursuing?
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Offline kizzy

Re: Eleven years on, has Maddie been given up for dead?
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2018, 08:45:10 AM »
Madeleine was given up for dead back in 2007 by the PJ IMO, but I donít think itís for us to decide what is appropriate now as we donít know what the current investigation knows - you cannot know they have come up with nothing, unless youíre claiming insider information?.  In any case, even if Madeleine is dead (which is likely imo) then there is the small matter of bringing to justice those responsible for her disappearance and death, isnít justice worth pursuing?

Yes justice is worth pursuing but it depends -  who the justice is for ...i think this imo shows it wont be for maddie

Yes maddie has been given up for dead - so now it is about clearing the mmccanns

This case has never made sense...but imo does if you look at it as it is all still about mccanns.not maddie.

Interesting analyse below - reading between the lines imo the extra funding is public announcement the mcs was not cleared of any wrong doing.

https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/carlos-anjos-i-believe-that-there-is.html

Carlos Anjos: 'I believe that there is clearly an attempt to exonerate the couple'

SNIP

This is gearing up for one thing, the English, Scotland Yard will end up arranging a report that says that they have eliminated for good the possibility of the child dying in that house, in that night - and I'm not saying that it was homicide, negligent or not - and that what happened was an abduction. They're not going to say much more than that because they don't have any factual basis to affirm that it was an abduction. But they are going to say it. And why? Because this investigation since it started, from the English side, and from the point the dogs came to Portugal, the dogs that detected cadaver scent which lead to a different line of investigation, those English (officers) were replaced because it was of no interest (unhelpful), the thesis wasn't the one the UK wanted and what they want is a thesis that says: 'No, what happened was an abduction and the McCann couple is once and for all exonerated".

 I believe that there is clearly an attempt to exonerate the couple, the English want to remove any suspicion from the McCann couple. In my opinion, it was never their main goal to find Madeleine McCann. The main objective of the English authorities was to exonerate the parents of Madeleine McCann.

[read more on link]

« Last Edit: May 23, 2018, 09:14:02 PM by slartibartfast »
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Eleven years on, has Maddie been given up for dead?
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2018, 08:51:57 AM »
Yes justice is worth pursuing but it depends -  who the justice is for ...i think this imo shows it wont be for maddie

Yes maddie has been given up for dead - so now it is about clearing the mmccanns

This case has never made sense...but imo does if you look at it as it is all still about mccanns.not maddie.

Interesting analyse below - reading between the lines imo the extra funding is public announcement the mcs was not cleared of any wrong doing.

https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/carlos-anjos-i-believe-that-there-is.html

Carlos Anjos: 'I believe that there is clearly an attempt to exonerate the couple'

SNIP

This is gearing up for one thing, the English, Scotland Yard will end up arranging a report that says that they have eliminated for good the possibility of the child dying in that house, in that night - and I'm not saying that it was homicide, negligent or not - and that what happened was an abduction. They're not going to say much more than that because they don't have any factual basis to affirm that it was an abduction. But they are going to say it. And why? Because this investigation since it started, from the English side, and from the point the dogs came to Portugal, the dogs that detected cadaver scent which lead to a different line of investigation, those English (officers) were replaced because it was of no interest (unhelpful), the thesis wasn't the one the UK wanted and what they want is a thesis that says: 'No, what happened was an abduction and the McCann couple is once and for all exonerated".

 I believe that there is clearly an attempt to exonerate the couple, the English want to remove any suspicion from the McCann couple. In my opinion, it was never their main goal to find Madeleine McCann. The main objective of the English authorities was to exonerate the parents of Madeleine McCann.

[read more on link]
Yes, because the McCanns are so powerful and important the Met and the Home Office simply bow to their will.

Offline kizzy

Re: Eleven years on, has Maddie been given up for dead?
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2018, 09:28:43 AM »
Yes, because the McCanns are so powerful and important the Met and the Home Office simply bow to their will.

Why did they not investigate the mccamnns - dont tell me its because they were not suspects 

They will have known they wasn't cleared of any involvement.

Police officers were changed - who suspected mccanns.

Thy did go over what the PJ had - apart from mccanns and c/o
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Eleven years on, has Maddie been given up for dead?
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2018, 09:34:51 AM »
Why did they not investigate the mccamnns - dont tell me its because they were not suspects 

They will have known they wasn't cleared of any involvement.

Police officers were changed - who suspected mccanns.

Thy did go over what the PJ had - apart from mccanns and c/o
OK, so why do you think the High Ups are protecting the McCanns then?  They haven't afforded the same level of protection to Tory MPs such as Charlie Elphicke for example who is under investigation for rape, so what's so very important and special about the two doctors from Rothley in your opinion?

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Re: Eleven years on, has Maddie been given up for dead?
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2018, 09:38:30 AM »
Here we are eleven years on from the night that Madeleine McCann mysteriously disappeared from her parents holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on the Algarve and for once the entire case appears to be waning.  No public statement from her parents this anniversary and nothing of interest from either the Portuguese or English police.  Not even an explanation as to how they managed to spend over eleven million quid allegedly looking for the child and still come up with nothing.

Has the time come to put the case to bed?


It should have been put to bed years ago

All they are doing now at taxpayers expense 

Is to save face not find maddie- or what happened to her imo.
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Offline Faithlilly

Re: Eleven years on, has Maddie been given up for dead?
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2018, 10:39:28 AM »
OK, so why do you think the High Ups are protecting the McCanns then?  They haven't afforded the same level of protection to Tory MPs such as Charlie Elphicke for example who is under investigation for rape, so what's so very important and special about the two doctors from Rothley in your opinion?

I have to agree VS. I donít think the investigation was ever to exonerate the McCanns. Some take the remit as proof of this but as Rowley said last year ( and I paraphrase) Ďno matter how Madeleine left that apartment she was abductedí. It would seem the Met are using the word abducted as not leaving the apartment under her own steam. This would be true whether you believe an abductor or the parents were complicit. I believe Rowley chose his words very carefully.
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Re: Eleven years on, has Maddie been given up for dead?
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2018, 10:45:08 AM »
OK, so why do you think the High Ups are protecting the McCanns then?  They haven't afforded the same level of protection to Tory MPs such as Charlie Elphicke for example who is under investigation for rape, so what's so very important and special about the two doctors from Rothley in your opinion?


The same reason - the high ups got involved in the first place.

Far to much involvement from all those in high places imo.

Would any ordinary person - have got the specialised treatment they got.

They left maddie to her fate.

Its obvious the only goal from beginning was to clear them of any involvement

The only thing we don't know is WHY.
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Eleven years on, has Maddie been given up for dead?
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2018, 11:03:03 AM »
Yes justice is worth pursuing but it depends -  who the justice is for ...i think this imo shows it wont be for maddie

Yes maddie has been given up for dead - so now it is about clearing the mmccanns

This case has never made sense...but imo does if you look at it as it is all still about mccanns.not maddie.

Interesting analyse below - reading between the lines imo the extra funding is public announcement the mcs was not cleared of any wrong doing.

https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/carlos-anjos-i-believe-that-there-is.html

Carlos Anjos: 'I believe that there is clearly an attempt to exonerate the couple'

SNIP

This is gearing up for one thing, the English, Scotland Yard will end up arranging a report that says that they have eliminated for good the possibility of the child dying in that house, in that night - and I'm not saying that it was homicide, negligent or not - and that what happened was an abduction. They're not going to say much more than that because they don't have any factual basis to affirm that it was an abduction. But they are going to say it. And why? Because this investigation since it started, from the English side, and from the point the dogs came to Portugal, the dogs that detected cadaver scent which lead to a different line of investigation, those English (officers) were replaced because it was of no interest (unhelpful), the thesis wasn't the one the UK wanted and what they want is a thesis that says: 'No, what happened was an abduction and the McCann couple is once and for all exonerated".

 I believe that there is clearly an attempt to exonerate the couple, the English want to remove any suspicion from the McCann couple. In my opinion, it was never their main goal to find Madeleine McCann. The main objective of the English authorities was to exonerate the parents of Madeleine McCann.

[read more on link]

IMO the Op Grange investigation has never been about finding Maddie but is all about finding a scapegoat, a patsy, a fallguy.  The measley reward which was once upon a time offered by SY was for the prosecution of a perp and not for Maddie's safe return. It is no longer about Maddie, she hardly ever features in any media reporting any more. It is now all about clearing the parents but the Portuguese SC put the kibosh on that.
« Last Edit: May 23, 2018, 11:06:55 AM by Angelo222 »
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Eleven years on, has Maddie been given up for dead?
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2018, 11:12:48 AM »
IMO the Op Grange investigation has never been about finding Maddie but is all about finding a scapegoat, a patsy, a fallguy.  The measley reward which was once upon a time offered by SY was for the prosecution of a perp and not for Maddie's safe return. It is no longer about Maddie, she hardly ever features in any media reporting any more. It is now all about clearing the parents but the Portuguese SC put the kibosh on that.
£11m spent on clearing the McCanns?  My, they sure are VERY VERY IMPORTANT.

Offline kizzy

Re: Eleven years on, has Maddie been given up for dead?
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2018, 11:21:59 AM »
IMO the Op Grange investigation has never been about finding Maddie but is all about finding a scapegoat, a patsy, a fallguy.  The measley reward which was once upon a time offered by SY was for the prosecution of a perp and not for Maddie's safe return. It is no longer about Maddie, she hardly ever features in any media reporting any more. It is now all about clearing the parents but the Portuguese SC put the kibosh on that.


Exactly

Yes the SC did put the cat among the pigeons and imo that is why the extra funding - is a way to get round that.

I Remember the reward ...it should have been for the safe return of maddie - money talks and no honor among thieves.

The last thing a reward should have had -  is attachments.

It is like everything with the mccanns - they always do what they want take advice from no one.



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Offline kizzy

Re: Eleven years on, has Maddie been given up for dead?
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2018, 11:23:45 AM »
£11m spent on clearing the McCanns?  My, they sure are VERY VERY IMPORTANT.

Or imo - could be connected to someone  VERY VERY IMPORTANT.
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