Question about Nevill's watch

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Much of what is discussed here would not make it to court but as you said we're not at court we're here on a forum.  So since you keep telling us SC had her nails professionally manicured in MV it shouldn't be difficult for you to tell us  where and by whom.

Holly, what don’t you understand about  “you’ll need to wait”

I’m under no obligation to prove anything to you, and I’ve told you I have read thousands and thousands of words, documents etc...so until I find time to search you need to wait.

Be patient.

There’s no rush...Jeremy Bamber isn’t going anywhere 😌

[Nicholas]

There is a pattern with Jeremy Bamber involving his female admirers which started with Julie Mugford.

I agree re the pattern but not so sure about JM - who did he date before her?

He does seem drawn to a certain type of ‘female admirer’

[steve_trousers]

If I'm honest, it was a possibility given the evidence but unlikely for the reasons you state.

I know what you mean, Bamber must have regretted his own-goal narrative of Nevills SOS phone call. It would have been handy to have a 3rd party to bring into the MoJ equation.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Think the confusion may lie in the telling of how the items came to be in Aunt Ags possession

More likely,

They’ll be items given to her by police

And items given to her by prison staff

Prisoners can and do hand out property - the cut off pony tail would have come from Bamber in prison, handed to a prison officer then handed to Aunt Agatha

If Aunt Agatha hasn’t thrown anything away, as she claims, she may well have the paperwork somewhere? Who knows?

Some of her original posts here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3851.msg358271.html#msg358271 were removed so it can be confusing

“Here are some items, still looking for Cartier.  I've put it somewhere safe and cannot find it.  :))

Here we have;

His hair,
His Seiko watch/computer ( which he was able to use in those days),
His camera, with original film still inside. Have never had it processed.



She originally posted photographs but then removed them. Not sure if they are the same photos she’s posted on this forum without seeing what she posted originally

Thank you, Nicholas

But I still don’t believe the police gave her any items, including a gun.

That isn’t how the police operate.

[Holly Goodhead]

Holly, what don’t you understand about  “you’ll need to wait”

I’m under no obligation to prove anything to you, and I’ve told you I have read thousands and thousands of words, documents etc...so until I find time to search you need to wait.

Be patient.

There’s no rush...Jeremy Bamber isn’t going anywhere 😌

But the advantage of the forum is that we have numerous pairs of eyes, many of whom have devoured the case, and no one has turned anything up.

[Nicholas]

Thank you, Nicholas

But I still don’t believe the police gave her any items, including a gun.

That isn’t how the police operate.

And quite rightly

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Actually the police would hand over items to a third party if they had taken them into their control as evidence and then decided to return them. If the property belonged to Jeremy as in the air rifle and the wet suit then they were duty bound to return them to Jeremy regardless of his conviction and as he was in prison, effectively homeless and without family, the police would have asked him to designate a keeper for his property. Enter Aunt Agatha.

I trust your judgement and knowledge, John, but I still find it hard to believe that the police would hand deliver a prisoner’s property to a designated person, when it’s kept in custody until the prisoner is released or dies.

Maybe I’m wrong, in which case I’ll apologise, but out of curiosity I will find out as I’m 99% certain the police don’t operate like that.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Aunt Agatha stated here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3851.msg358280.html#msg358280

“This was all a very long time ago - he gave me loads of things.

The police arrived with rifle, wetsuit, camera, all granny's paperwork and granny's handmade box, and over the years he's made many things for me.
Paintings (numerous), books, cassette tapes...and more.

Must find that watch! It's not where I thought it would be. Hmm!

The police gave Granny Speakman’s paperwork to an acquaintance of Jeremy’s?!

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I too can smell a fish. It has not been adequately explained how this person came to be in the possession of these items, and when pressed is unwilling to back their claims up.

Perhaps at this point we should bear in mind that this kind of memorabilia has a market, the value of which may be negligible now but who knows what could happen once Bamber shuffles off. He is after all amongst our most notorious child killers.

I absolutely agree.

The whole thing smells extremely fishy, and as Agatha hasn’t been able to provide any evidence, I’m dismissing everything she says.

[John]

I trust your judgement and knowledge, John, but I still find it hard to believe that the police would hand deliver a prisoner’s property to a designated person, when it’s kept in custody until the prisoner is released or dies.

Maybe I’m wrong, in which case I’ll apologise, but out of curiosity I will find out as I’m 99% certain the police don’t operate like that.

I can assure you the police do return property when it is no longer needed. If the items are bulky or such that they might attract undue attention they will deliver them to a designated keeper if asked. Can you really imagine AA walking down Chelmsford High Street with twins in a pram, a wetsuit and an air rifle slung over her shoulder?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

In addition, Mike never even knew I existed until he found the paperwork!

Does Jeremy Bamber know you exist, Agatha?

[APRIL]

Before you jump to that conclusion, I feel that I must add that I have NO idea of when Jeremy's hair was that long. I see pictures of him as a child who clearly had a penchant for longer hair, but pictures of him around the time of the murders show a well groomed look which he had at the time he was arrested. It appeared to still be well groomed when he went to court. Hair grows at approximately half an inch per month. He went to trial around a year post murders, nowhere near enough time to grow a ponytail some 18 inches in length. This leads me to believe he A) grew it after he was convicted -which would have taken some 3 years- or it was long prior to the pictures of him pre murders. Because of the inclusion of unpigmented hairs, I'm inclined to think it was the former.

[John]

I'm only going to say this one more time.  Any further references to anyone being a liar will attract a severe sanction.

[steve_trousers]

April wasn’t that kind of look briefly fashionable around 1988-89, during the yuppie era. The offending article could date from that time.

[Myster]

I can assure you the police do return property when it is no longer needed. If the items are bulky or such that they might attract undue attention they will deliver them to a designated keeper if asked. Can you really imagine AA walking down Chelmsford High Street with twins in a pram, a wetsuit and an air rifle slung over her shoulder?

Twins in a pram?!!!  Please don't tell me they were Bamber's sprogs!