Question about Nevill's watch

[Myster]

If the box has had little use and not been mistreated since 1985 or before, then I would expect it to appear new, though I doubt that it was made specifically by Granny Speakman's husband. Trick boxes were imported from China and Japan in the 1960's and earlier, which is where mine originated and it still looks recently made.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I don't believe we have any trolls, fantasists or liars here but if you think otherwise you either respond respecfully or ignore them.

You make many claims which are often shown to be wrong or you are unable to support.

I certainly do NOT make many claims that are wrong! And you KNOW that!

I’ve only ever made a couple of minor mistakes over a name or time or something..

You know full well that I’ve researched this case, and I have no need to lie...I’m not a nut.

When I’ve sometimes quoted things, you especially, jump on it knowing that it will take me ages to find the source! You’ve even asked me to find sources when you’ve known what I’ve put is true!

You don’t like the fact that I’m not gullible and I refuse to be spoken down to by ANYONE. If someone s disrespectful to me I will pull them up on it, which I’m entitled to do. Likewise, I will apologise if I’ve said something that was either misinterpreted or in the heat if the moment retaliation.

I just don’t “get” how some people can be taken in by obvious liars/fantasists.

If I’m wrong, I’ll apologise...but to expect people to believe things that are impossible, unlawful, illegal, is simply an insult to everyone’s intelligence.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

If the box has had little use and not been mistreated since 1985 or before, then I would expect it to appear new, though I doubt that it was made specifically by Granny Speakman's husband. Trick boxes were imported from China and Japan in the 1960's and earlier, which is where mine originated and it still looks recently made.

Agatha claims the box is a minimum of 60 years old, and if it was made for her by her husband, it could be 100 years old...maybe more. Seems strange for a man to make a bos with Japanese characters, and so well-made too! It certainly doesn’t look handmade: it looks factory made.

To my eyes it looks brand new, and if Granny Speakman’s  husband made it for her, it would have been hugely sentimental to her and she most certainly would have used it as some time. That doesn’t look like it’s ever been used at all. And over time all things deteriorate if they’re left just sitting there...

[Myster]

Agatha claims the box is a minimum of 60 years old, and if it was made for her by her husband, it could be 100 years old...maybe more. Seems strange for a man to make a bos with Japanese characters, and so well-made too! It certainly doesn’t look handmade: it looks factory made.

To my eyes it looks brand new, and if Granny Speakman’s  husband made it for her, it would have been hugely sentimental to her and she most certainly would have used it as some time. That doesn’t look like it’s ever been used at all. And over time all things deteriorate if they’re left just sitting there...

No, they do not deteriorate if they've been kept in a safe place untouched for years!  The story that it was made by GS's husband might well be an apocryphal Chinese whisper orginating from Bamber himself.

[APRIL]

Amusing. And I’m confused over this ponytail, is it the clip-on variety that delboy had ten thousand of or is it Jeremys actual ponytail snipped off?

Well, it's certainly someones's hair and by it's length, I'm guessing around 18 inches, equates to 36 months of growth prior to being chopped. If it was removed from someones in their mid twenties, judging by the pigment loss, they could certainly have expected to have lost around 50% pigmentation by early 40's.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

No, they do not deteriorate if they've been kept in a safe place untouched for years!  The story that it was made by GS's husband might well be an apocryphal Chinese whisper orginating from Bamber himself.

Sounds about right; a typical JB lie.

The intricacy in the patterns are remarkable for it to have been homemade, unless GS’s husband was a trained/talented artist and carpenter...

It’s all very odd, all the same.

[APRIL]

No, they do not deteriorate if they've been kept in a safe place untouched for years!  The story that it was made by GS's husband might well be an apocryphal Chinese whisper orginating from Bamber himself.

It may also have been a belief he'd held onto from when he received it. Believing it had been made specially for him might have made him feel important.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Well, it's certainly someones's hair and by it's length, I'm guessing around 18 inches, equates to 36 months of growth prior to being chopped. If it was removed from someones in their mid twenties, judging by the pigment loss, they could certainly have expected to have lost around 50% pigmentation by early 40's.

So when did JB have hair halfway down his back?😳

The hair’s obviously been cut no higher than the neck, and I believe I read he’s quite slightly built (no dea how true that is), so it could have almost been down to his waist!

When he was sentenced his hair was short and brown, and I think there’s a photo of him in/around 2002 going to appeal, where he looked almost grey. So you’re right, April, he looked grey-haired 18 years ago, which would put him in his early 40s. And as you say, it only looks grey due to the white hairs mixing with the once natural colour. He must have Snow White hair now.

So going by this ponytail, if it is his, that must have been cut in his late 20s — am I right?

[Holly Goodhead]

I certainly do NOT make many claims that are wrong! And you KNOW that!

I’ve only ever made a couple of minor mistakes over a name or time or something..

You know full well that I’ve researched this case, and I have no need to lie...I’m not a nut.

When I’ve sometimes quoted things, you especially, jump on it knowing that it will take me ages to find the source! You’ve even asked me to find sources when you’ve known what I’ve put is true!

You don’t like the fact that I’m not gullible and I refuse to be spoken down to by ANYONE. If someone s disrespectful to me I will pull them up on it, which I’m entitled to do. Likewise, I will apologise if I’ve said something that was either misinterpreted or in the heat if the moment retaliation.

I just don’t “get” how some people can be taken in by obvious liars/fantasists.

If I’m wrong, I’ll apologise...but to expect people to believe things that are impossible, unlawful, illegal, is simply an insult to everyone’s intelligence.

You've made countless assertions that are wrong and/or that you've been unable to substantiate eg:

- JB arranged for carpets to be burned - wrong

- SC had her nails professionally manicured and polished -
Unsubstantiated

The above are just two examples.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

It may also have been a belief he'd held onto from when he received it. Believing it had been made specially for him might have made him feel important.

Aunt Agatha claims it was made for her by her husband, and she gave it to Jeremy when he was a child.

I agree with you,  he wouldn’t feel any sentimental attachment to the box: he’d just like it because it would make him feel important.

[Myster]

Sounds about right; a typical JB lie.

The intricacy in the patterns are remarkable for it to have been homemade, unless GS’s husband was a trained/talented artist and carpenter...

It’s all very odd, all the same.

It may also have been a belief he'd held onto from when he received it. Believing it had been made specially for him might have made him feel important.

The rebates which accept the sliding parts are just a little too cleanly cut, imo, as if they were machined repetitively in a small back street Chinese workshop, rather than as a one-off by an English part-time joiner.

[APRIL]

The rebates which accept the sliding parts are just a little too cleanly cut, imo, as if they were machined repetitively in a small back street Chinese workshop, rather than as a one-off by an English part-time joiner.

Oh! I'm absolutely not doubting you, Myster. But as a child, Jeremy would have accepted whatever was told him regarding the gift's provenance. Unless he later examined it and, by so doing, arrived at your conclusion, would have repeated whatever story he'd been told.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

You've made countless assertions that are wrong and/or that you've been unable to substantiate eg:

- JB arranged for carpets to be burned - wrong

- SC had her nails professionally manicured and polished -
Unsubstantiated

The above are just two examples.

Jeremy DID ask the police to burn the carpets and mattresses etc; he said he couldn’t look at them or go inside WHF unless they did.

It’s documented somewhere, and I will find it.

Likewise, Sheila’s nails.p: I did indeed read (and hear) she had her nails manicured and polished near where she lived in Maida Vale, and near to the hairdressers she used.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

The rebates which accept the sliding parts are just a little too cleanly cut, imo, as if they were machined repetitively in a small back street Chinese workshop, rather than as a one-off by an English part-time joiner.

Yes, the precision and detail is too accurate and intricate for it to be homemade, even by a fabulous artist/carpenter.

It’s clearly lies.

Either XX.

Or Jeremy’s.

Very strange, indeed

[APRIL]

Yes, the precision and detail is too accurate and intricate for it to be homemade, even by a fabulous artist/carpenter.

It’s clearly lies.

Either XX

Or Jeremy’s.

Very strange, indeed

You throw out "LIES" with the frequency of a purist who sticks to the letter of it's meaning, ie an untruth, but I think some consideration must be given to whether the lie was intended to deceive, or whether it was a long held belief having it's roots somewhere other, further, of what benefit would deliberately lying about trivia be?