Question about Nevill's watch

[John]

With all due respect, John, I know you say you don’t doubt Aunt Agatha, but do you have proof she’s telling the truth?

Because I know for fact, that police would never drive to someone’s home at the request of a prisoner — a mass murderer at that — and hand over a rifle (whether it was the murder weapon or not) to an unknown woman who was a mere associate of said prisoner; who didn’t have a firearms licence; and the prisoner himself had no firearms licence, either, nor owned a gun.

I also know that prisoners aren’t allowed to send gifts, even to their closest relatives.

As an aside, Aunt Agatha claims the police also gave her Jeremy Bamber’s wetsuit. I personally don’t believe it for a second, but let’s suppose they did: why would Jeremy Bamber want her to have his wetsuit? She claims he had all these items sent for their safekeeping, but then says she handed the gun into the police, and gave the wetsuit to a charity shop. Why would she do that if she was keeping them for safekeeping?

Her story doesn’t add up, and that’s without her contradictions, so excuse me for not agreeing with you on this.

Actually the police would hand over items to a third party if they had taken them into their control as evidence and then decided to return them. If the property belonged to Jeremy as in the air rifle and the wet suit then they were duty bound to return them to Jeremy regardless of his conviction and as he was in prison, effectively homeless and without family, the police would have asked him to designate a keeper for his property. Enter Aunt Agatha.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

It doesn’t matter. The police will have the records.

Though you did allude to there being paperwork in one of your previous posts - the post where you claimed Mike T publicised your home address (that post appears to have been removed?)

Again, if Mike T has ‘paperwork’ so will the police etc

But Mike Tesco was a pathological liar too...

[APRIL]

Yes it does!!

Where? All I read is that Jeremy may have lied...............It would be ridiculous to suggest that you didn't like his grandmother when/if you'd never met her.

[Aunt Agatha]

Think the confusion may lie in the telling of how the items came to be in Aunt Ags possession

More likely,

They’ll be items given to her by police

And items given to her by prison staff

Prisoners can and do hand out property - the cut off pony tail would have come from Bamber in prison, handed to a prison officer then handed to Aunt Agatha

If Aunt Agatha hasn’t thrown anything away, as she claims, she may well have the paperwork somewhere? Who knows?

Some of her original posts here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3851.msg358271.html#msg358271 were removed so it can be confusing

“Here are some items, still looking for Cartier.  I've put it somewhere safe and cannot find it.  :))

Here we have;

His hair,
His Seiko watch/computer ( which he was able to use in those days),
His camera, with original film still inside. Have never had it processed.



She originally posted photographs but then removed them. Not sure if they are the same photos she’s posted on this forum without seeing what she posted originally

I have never, Ever, posted photos of Jeremy's belongings until the other day.

[Nicholas]

Aunt Agatha stated here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3851.msg358280.html#msg358280

“This was all a very long time ago - he gave me loads of things.

The police arrived with rifle, wetsuit, camera, all granny's paperwork and granny's handmade box, and over the years he's made many things for me.
Paintings (numerous), books, cassette tapes...and more.

Must find that watch! It's not where I thought it would be. Hmm!

[Nicholas]

I have never, Ever, posted photos of Jeremy's belongings until the other day.

You did

[Nicholas]

Just as well one of us remembers

Jane/April saw it too http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3851.msg358278.html#msg358278

She commented

”That hair looks very long Presumably it was cut well before the massacre happened.
.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

His narrative has always been that he is innocent and did not kill his family. 

One could only stick to the exact same narrative if one knew beforehand exactly what did happen that night.

Therefore, his views or understanding of what really happened are based solely upon the information he has at any given time.

However, I would like to point out that evidence and findings undertaken by experts and those in the community have Never proven him guilty, instead they have raised more questions about his imprisonment and possible miscarriage of justice.

Do you suffer amnesia, Agatha?

You see, I distinctly remember the jury finding him GUILTY of five counts of murder.

The finding and evidence undertaken by the EXPERTS proved that.

Yet you’re saying he’s innocent, when there isn’t one scrap of flimsy evidence to even suggest he is.

No wonder the press have a field day with his bunch of supporters...

[Aunt Agatha]

Where? All I read is that Jeremy may have lied...............It would be ridiculous to suggest that you didn't like his grandmother when/if you'd never met her.

Must I really explain?

Spy stated in the post that Jeremy had told me he didn't like his grandmother and that I had posted as such.

Again, I have never stated such a thing and would like her to show us all we're that information came from.

[Aunt Agatha]

You did

I know I haven't as they haven't been out the box to photograph.

Anybody else seen these so called photos I was supposed to have uploaded.?

[steve_trousers]

Oh, what a dull retort “opened the wine too early”🙄 Typical from those who have dug a hole from themselves...

Those boxes have been in production since before Jeremy Bamber was born, Agatha. Do you think no-one had any knowledge about anything at all before the Internet? Don’t be silly, dear.

Your biggest problem is, prisoners are not allowed to send/give gifts to ANYONE. Now, pop opp and look on your internet and you’ll see what I’m saying is correct.

Then come back and say how he managed to give you his belongings when even he doesn’t have access to them?

I too can smell a fish. It has not been adequately explained how this person came to be in the possession of these items, and when pressed is unwilling to back their claims up.

Perhaps at this point we should bear in mind that this kind of memorabilia has a market, the value of which may be negligible now but who knows what could happen once Bamber shuffles off. He is after all amongst our most notorious child killers.

[Nicholas]

Aunt Agatha stated here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3851.msg358280.html#msg358280

“This was all a very long time ago - he gave me loads of things.

The police arrived with rifle, wetsuit, camera, all granny's paperwork and granny's handmade box, and over the years he's made many things for me.
Paintings (numerous), books, cassette tapes...and more.

Must find that watch! It's not where I thought it would be. Hmm!

Aunt Agatha never specified which items came from where.

Reading it does give the impression the police gave her all these items but clearly they didn’t

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Yes, as stated here I requested he remove the post and he did.
I never saw the paperwork, I cannot recall him posting a copy of the receipt however I have not forgotten how he posted my address. It was not my full address, but it was enough.

So Jeremy Bamber gave Mike Tesko your address? That wasn’t nice of him, Agatha.

Of course, JB would have had your address as you’d first written to him in prison in 1993...

Back to the items you claim Jeremy gave you/had the police deliver to you — I know for a fact that prisoners can’t send/give gifts, and police will never deliver a prisoner’s items to anyone’s home, whoever they are, unless the prisoner has died.

So there is NO receipt. You know it, and I know it.

But as you refuse to accept this, all you need do is phone Essex Police and ask them to send you a copy of said receipt including list of items you allege they delivered to you.

It’s very simple.

In fact, absolutely anyone could phone EP and ask them if the hand deliver items of prisoners to acquaintances...they’ll tell you :)

[Nicholas]

I know I haven't as they haven't been out the box to photograph.

Anybody else seen these so called photos I was supposed to have uploaded.?

You aren’t being honest with yourself

[Nicholas]

I know I haven't as they haven't been out the box to photograph.

Anybody else seen these so called photos I was supposed to have uploaded.?

You are mistaken