Question about Nevill's watch

[Nicholas]

Off the top of my head, Nicholas, I'm honestly not sure, but I believe there to be a very famous one somewhere in London? I've certainly seen shots of people examining the artifacts kept there.

Is ‘the gun’ in London or Essex or somewhere else?

[Nicholas]

In my view he's innocent and a miscarriage of justice remains.

He’s guilty and has also been committing ‘innocence fraud’ since he was given the opportunity to do so way back when

[Caroline]

In my view he's innocent and a miscarriage of justice remains.

Hi AA - previously you have said you simply don't know one way or the other - do you still feel like that?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I can assure you it is GENUINE.

I'm not posting the back of it incase anybody shows the photo to Jeremy and he thinks I've sold it.

It's upto you to believe what you want.

Agatha, I’m afraid that watch is a fake.

You can tell it is just by looking at it; it’s so cheap and tatty looking. But I verified it first before telling you, otherwise I’ll be jumped on.

Firstly, besides looking so bad, faded, tatty and cheap there’s huge errors.

ALL Cartier watches are made to perfection; they’re crisp, clear; don’t fade; don’t tarnish; and last a lifetime. They also have the words SWISS MADE both on the bottom of the face and on the back: this watch just has the word SWISS

ALL Cartier watches have serial numbers consisting of six digits and two letters: this watch has no letters

ALL Cartier watches have a four digit model number on the back: this one doesn’t

ALL Cartier watches are beautifully engraved with deep perfectly clear, spaced lettering: this one is poorly etched

ALL Cartier watches have the word Cartier inside the leather straps: this one doesn’t.

ALL Cartier watches have identical symbols: the symbols etched on this one are not identical to Cartier’s


If you don’t believe me take it to a jewellery shop, or contact Cartier yourself — they will tell you exactly what I’ve told you. This just proves Jeremy Bamber lied to you, but that shouldn’t be a surprise....he is a pathological liar and very manipulative. I suspect he may have started asking you for money, probably thousands, and with you believing you had his watch worth thousands in your keeping, it would have led you into a false sense of security. It’s obviously one of his MO’s.

By the way, how coincidental that you have twin boys — just like Sheila did. Did he ever flinch when talking about your twin sons’?

[Myster]

Agatha, I’m afraid that watch is a fake.

You can tell it is just by looking at it; it’s so cheap and tatty looking. But I verified it first before telling you, otherwise I’ll be jumped on.

Firstly, besides looking so bad, faded, tatty and cheap there’s huge errors.

ALL Cartier watches are made to perfection; they’re crisp, clear; don’t fade; don’t tarnish; and last a lifetime. They also have the words SWISS MADE both on the bottom of the face and on the back: this watch just has the word SWISS

ALL Cartier watches have serial numbers consisting of six digits and two letters: this watch has no letters

ALL Cartier watches have a four digit model number on the back: this one doesn’t

ALL Cartier watches are beautifully engraved with deep perfectly clear, spaced lettering: this one is poorly etched

ALL Cartier watches have the word Cartier inside the leather straps: this one doesn’t.

ALL Cartier watches have identical symbols: the symbols etched on this one are not identical to Cartier’s


If you don’t believe me take it to a jewellery shop, or contact Cartier yourself — they will tell you exactly what I’ve told you. This just proves Jeremy Bamber lied to you, but that shouldn’t be a surprise....he is a pathological liar and very manipulative. I suspect he may have started asking you for money, probably thousands, and with you believing you had his watch worth thousands in your keeping, it would have led you into a false sense of security. It’s obviously one of his MO’s.

By the way, how coincidental that you have twin boys — just like Sheila did. Did he ever flinch when talking about your twin sons’?

The Cartier is most likely genuine.  It's just had a lot of wear, that's all.  Aunt Agatha's watch...




The back of a similar Cartier from a reputable jeweller...




https://www.1stdibs.com/jewelry/watches/wrist-watches/cartier-vermeil-vendome-large-blue-dial-quartz-wristw..ch/id-j_2676793/

[APRIL]

The Cartier is most likely genuine.  It's just had a lot of wear, that's all.  Aunt Agatha's watch...




The back of a similar Cartier from a reputable jeweller...




https://www.1stdibs.com/jewelry/watches/wrist-watches/cartier-vermeil-vendome-large-blue-dial-quartz-wristw..ch/id-j_2676793/

Good close ups, Myster. Just a thought, though. The plating(vermeil) on the case of AA's watch looks particularly worn -I would have expected plating on a Cartier to be of a quality and thickness more hard wearing- conversely, the strap leather which is doubled back, despite that it would have been subjected to to the same conditions as the case, shows no sign of wear.

[Myster]

Good close ups, Myster. Just a thought, though. The plating(vermeil) on the case of AA's watch looks particularly worn -I would have expected plating on a Cartier to be of a quality and thickness more hard wearing- conversely, the strap leather which is doubled back, despite that it would have been subjected to to the same conditions as the case, shows no sign of wear.

The plating might have been subjected to acidity from sweat/perspiration or discoloured by perfume/deodorant. Unsure about the strap though. Unless AA has already had it assessed, I think it would be best to confirm authenticity or otherwise with a jeweller.

[APRIL]

The plating might have been subjected to acidity from sweat/perspiration or discoloured by perfume/deodorant. Unsure about the strap though. Unless AA has already had it assessed, I think it would be best to confirm authenticity or otherwise with a jeweller.

I absolutely get that, Myster -and I'm only making an observation, not making claims about authenticity- but I would have thought that leather, being more porous, might have shown signs of being subjected to those things you mention, before good quality plating.

[Nicholas]

You're assuming Julie to have seen and handled said watch, possibly to have been with her when it was sold. Other than that, we really only have Suzette Ford's word for it.

Isn’t Bamber meant to have told Suzette Ford SC punched her boys in the face?

If this were true why didn’t he raise the alarm with CC or his parents - why choose to tell SF?

His nephews are allegedly being assaulted and yet he appears to have displayed no genuine concerns?

What did he expect SF to do?

[Nicholas]

Agatha, I’m afraid that watch is a fake.

You can tell it is just by looking at it; it’s so cheap and tatty looking. But I verified it first before telling you, otherwise I’ll be jumped on.

Firstly, besides looking so bad, faded, tatty and cheap there’s huge errors.

ALL Cartier watches are made to perfection; they’re crisp, clear; don’t fade; don’t tarnish; and last a lifetime. They also have the words SWISS MADE both on the bottom of the face and on the back: this watch just has the word SWISS

ALL Cartier watches have serial numbers consisting of six digits and two letters: this watch has no letters

ALL Cartier watches have a four digit model number on the back: this one doesn’t

ALL Cartier watches are beautifully engraved with deep perfectly clear, spaced lettering: this one is poorly etched

ALL Cartier watches have the word Cartier inside the leather straps: this one doesn’t.

ALL Cartier watches have identical symbols: the symbols etched on this one are not identical to Cartier’s


If you don’t believe me take it to a jewellery shop, or contact Cartier yourself — they will tell you exactly what I’ve told you. This just proves Jeremy Bamber lied to you, but that shouldn’t be a surprise....he is a pathological liar and very manipulative. I suspect he may have started asking you for money, probably thousands, and with you believing you had his watch worth thousands in your keeping, it would have led you into a false sense of security. It’s obviously one of his MO’s.

By the way, how coincidental that you have twin boys — just like Sheila did. Did he ever flinch when talking about your twin sons’?

Appears it is

[Nicholas]

Sue Ford sold a Cartier watch given to her by Jeremy Bamber for £150 in the mid 1980's, according to Julie Mugford. Surely Julie didn't tell lies?

Did JM & SF talk with each other & is this how she found out the watch had been sold?

or

Did Bamber tell JM SF had sold the watch for £150?

[Nicholas]

That does not change a thing. He gave me other items as I've disclosed here that I got rid of. I'm not compelled to keep anything of his. I have chosen to keep them safe.

But you didn’t keep the wetsuit ‘safe’?

[Nicholas]

I do not trust the CCRC or the Police where Jeremy is concerned.

Why not?

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[Nicholas]

There is a pattern with Jeremy Bamber involving his female admirers which started with Julie Mugford.

What about the pattern of his male ‘admirers’ ?