Question about Nevill's watch

[mrswah]

Without going into how vulgar and tacky is the boast of affluence, a close friend substituted the family pearls with an identical triple strand of -popular at the time- popper beads. The family solicitor 'recognized' them and commented on their "magnificence". The trick enjoyed is the subterfuge.

I have heard of people who wear "fakes" when they are travelling, in case they lose the real thing, or get mugged.

[Caroline]

Had the “Cartier” that Agatha posted up looked genuine, I’d say that’s a big possibility — especially as Jeremy contested Granny Speakman’s will as she’d disinherited him after he killed her daughter...

But that cheap, tatty-looking watch would never have adorned the wrist of a woman who was elegant.

And had it been genuine, the grasping, thieving Jeremy wouldn’t have given it away...he’d give a fake away, though...

I believe the watch that AA posted is genuine. If you look online you can find the same one with similar details on the back (obviously the serial n umber is different). The watch is a basic looking Cartier and if someone like Bamber was going to purchase a fake, he's have gotten a fancier version. I have no doubt that it is the real thing.

[The General]

I believe the watch that AA posted is genuine. If you look online you can find the same one with similar details on the back (obviously the serial n umber is different). The watch is a basic looking Cartier and if someone like Bamber was going to purchase a fake, he's have gotten a fancier version. I have no doubt that it is the real thing.

I agree. It looked way too jaded at first glance, but actually, apart from the strap which may be a replacement, it looked pretty kosher to me.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I have heard of people who wear "fakes" when they are travelling, in case they lose the real thing, or get mugged.

No, that’s not true

They don’t wear fakes, ever. But if travelling to a country known for its crime they’ll wear one of their cheaper everyday watches. What would be the point of wearing a fake and possibly getting mugged by a knife man?

Rich people don’t feel the need to flaunt their wealth, which is why they wouldn’t wear a fake Cartier

They also wear their cheaper everyday watch when going skiing or on a beach holiday so their good watches don’t get damaged or they lose it when skiing down black runs and possibly falling.

I never wear my good watches when travelling. I do wear two diamond rings which I never take off, and I have gold bands beneath them, which makes them even safer. On the very rare occasion when I’ve had to pass somewhere I’ve thought high risk I turn my rings around hiding the diamonds at the back of my finger so they’re not seen.

Likewise with my purse. When I’ve been to Venice which is renowned for pickpockets, I’ve taken an old purse with me and kept my cards/cash elsewhere.

[The General]

No, that’s not true

They don’t wear fakes, ever. But if travelling to a country known for its crime they’ll wear one of their cheaper everyday watches. What would be the point of wearing a fake and possibly getting mugged by a knife man?

Rich people don’t feel the need to flaunt their wealth, which is why they wouldn’t wear a fake Cartier

They also wear their cheaper everyday watch when going skiing or on a beach holiday so their good watches don’t get damaged or they lose it when skiing down black runs and possibly falling.

I never wear my good watches when travelling. I do wear two diamond rings which I never take off, and I have gold bands beneath them, which makes them even safer. On the very rare occasion when I’ve had to pass somewhere I’ve thought high risk I turn my rings around hiding the diamonds at the back of my finger so they’re not seen.

Likewise with my purse. When I’ve been to Venice which is renowned for pickpockets, I’ve taken an old purse with me and kept my cards/cash elsewhere.

Bully for you.
So you're speaking for all posh knobs now? None of them wear fake jewellery? None? You know them all personally, so can verify this?

[Vertigo Swirl]

My Dad has a real Rolex and a fake Rolex (a high quality fake).  The real Rolex mostly stays in his bedside cabinet as it’s worth thousands of pounds.  My husband also has a contact in China that can supply high quality fake watches for a couple of hundred quid.  These have authentic looking boxes, tags, engravings, the lot, which is why they are relatively expensive (not the tat you pick up in street markets).  They are still fakes though, of watches that are worth tens of thousands of pounds when genuine.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

The above might be the process today but what about decades ago when AA claims she took receipt of said items?

I thought AA said it was about 15 years or so ago — not decades ago like, say, 30 years back.

Whatever, I’m not really interested what/how/why he managed to get police to drive to her home and hand deliver such bizarre unimportant items, including a gun. From what AA suggested, it sounded like the gun wasn’t a water pistol as she said she handed it into the police station years later when they were doing a gun amnesty — no questions asked. Which also seems odd when the police had actually given it to her.

It’s not my business and I’m not particularly interested: I was more curious why police would do that, and how they got hold of his ponytail. Did they drive up to Yorkshire and collect it from the prison?😳

It’s all strange and odd, but I’m bowing out of this topic as it’s not relevant to anything really

[The General]

My Dad has a real Rolex and a fake Rolex (a high quality fake).  The real Rolex mostly stays in his bedside cabinet as it’s worth thousands of pounds.  My husband also has a contact in China that can supply high quality fake watches for a couple of hundred quid.  These have authentic looking boxes, tags, engravings, the lot, which is why they are relatively expensive (not the tat you pick up in street markets).  They are still fakes though, of watches that are worth tens of thousands of pounds when genuine.

Exactly. ISpy won't see this because she's got me blocked as she still thinks I'm leading a bizarre parallel life as Holly. That's your self-proclaimed, rich, popular, social media queen genius for you.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Without going into how vulgar and tacky is the boast of affluence, a close friend substituted the family pearls with an identical triple strand of -popular at the time- popper beads. The family solicitor 'recognized' them and commented on their "magnificence". The trick enjoyed is the subterfuge.

I don’t see anything vulgar in saying one comes from an affluent family, not when it’s said to explain a point that’s on topic and how you’d know why rich people wouldn’t wear tatty fake watches.  Your comment about your friend wearing popper beads...are you sure the family solicitor wasn’t just humouring her, or dishing out a compliment — you know how men can sometimes be clueless about women’s jewellery — and he may have been toady and keeping her sweet due to making money out of them. To be honest, to mistake popper beads for pearls is actually hilarious!😂

He wasn’t a p*sstaker, was he!

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Bamber said it was Aunt Agatha

“I have very long hair Bon Jovi style. I’ll send you a Polaroid of it 6 months ago - it’s mostly worn in a pony tail as I work in a welding shop and I’d set it alight if I wasn’t careful. I’ve not receded or lost any hair which I’m very thankful about - I do have some grey but it’s all over and only a few and looks fine.

Him, him, him....all the time

Same old pattern

I don’t know why he’s bothered what his hair looks like — it’s not like he’s going out on the pull any time soon 

[The General]

I don’t see anything vulgar in saying one comes from an affluent family, not when it’s said to explain a point that’s on topic and how you’d know why rich people wouldn’t wear tatty fake watches.  Your comment about your friend wearing popper beads...are you sure the family solicitor wasn’t just humouring her, or dishing out a compliment — you know how men can sometimes be clueless about women’s jewellery — and he may have been toady and keeping her sweet due to making money out of them. To be honest, to mistake popper beads for pearls is actually hilarious!😂

He wasn’t a p*sstaker, was he!

Does one? One certainly knows one's pearls from one's poppers, that's obvious.

[APRIL]

No, that’s not true

They don’t wear fakes, ever. But if travelling to a country known for its crime they’ll wear one of their cheaper everyday watches. What would be the point of wearing a fake and possibly getting mugged by a knife man?

Rich people don’t feel the need to flaunt their wealth, which is why they wouldn’t wear a fake Cartier

They also wear their cheaper everyday watch when going skiing or on a beach holiday so their good watches don’t get damaged or they lose it when skiing down black runs and possibly falling.

I never wear my good watches when travelling. I do wear two diamond rings which I never take off, and I have gold bands beneath them, which makes them even safer. On the very rare occasion when I’ve had to pass somewhere I’ve thought high risk I turn my rings around hiding the diamonds at the back of my finger so they’re not seen.

Likewise with my purse. When I’ve been to Venice which is renowned for pickpockets, I’ve taken an old purse with me and kept my cards/cash elsewhere.

Spy, simply because you and your coterie do, or don't do, it doesn't mean the rest of the world follows suit. Whether or not one chooses to sport 'good' jewellery in places where they're advised not to, is entirely down to personal choice. The sweeping claim that all those of a 'certain' social type follow the same rules -and to include yourself as one of their number- renders them both mindless and ignorant. As is the distasteful claim that true wealth is denoted by the monetary value of the jewellery one chooses to wear. I can give you any number of anecdotes/facts which counter what you say, but to do so would be to lower myself to the level you've chosen to adopt, ie vulgar, vulgar, VULGAR!!!

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I believe the watch that AA posted is genuine. If you look online you can find the same one with similar details on the back (obviously the serial n umber is different). The watch is a basic looking Cartier and if someone like Bamber was going to purchase a fake, he's have gotten a fancier version. I have no doubt that it is the real thing.

I beg to differ, Caroline. Don’t get me wrong; I trust what you say and totally believe you, and I know you’re certainly no fool, but unless you go to the Cartier site itself — where they also explain how to spot a fake — the Internet is flooded with fake watches for sale, and they’re getting better all the time. Even some jewellers have difficulty spotting some of the fakes they’ve started producing in China, which is where they’re usually made.

But to me it looks fake, and from memory it didn’t have the the correct serial number which always has two letters and six digits (something like that, anyway)

The watch itself looks so tatty too.  Genuine designer watches last a lifetime — they don’t tarnish and look like tat.

Maybe AA should have it valued. I certainly would for insurance purposes alone — and Jeremy was hot on insurance policies — so I’m surprised he hasn’t advised AA to get it covered.

Actually, I think he may have been wearing that same one when he was arrested. There’s a picture in black & white, but it looks the same style. If it IS genuine, where did he get the money from to but TWO, I wonder? Or maybe, like he claimed, he did steal them...

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Bully for you.
So you're speaking for all posh knobs now? None of them wear fake jewellery? None? You know them all personally, so can verify this?

What do you mean “posh knobs”?

Why are you insulting people who have money? Does it annoy you?

Stop coming out with ludicrous requests. Do you seriously think I can ask my family and friends to come onto this site to prove something to a stranger? That’s an insane thing to ask.

Go and have a coffee and take your vitamins — you’ll feel chirpier then 😊

[APRIL]

I beg to differ, Caroline. Don’t get me wrong; I trust what you say and totally believe you, and I know you’re certainly no fool, but unless you go to the Cartier site itself — where they also explain how to spot a fake — the Internet is flooded with fake watches for sale, and they’re getting better all the time. Even some jewellers have difficulty spotting some of the fakes they’ve started producing in China, which is where they’re usually made.

But to me it looks fake, and from memory it didn’t have the the correct serial number which always has two letters and six digits (something like that, anyway)

The watch itself looks so tatty too.  Genuine designer watches last a lifetime — they don’t tarnish and look like tat.

Maybe AA should have it valued. I certainly would for insurance purposes alone — and Jeremy was hot on insurance policies — so I’m surprised he hasn’t advised AA to get it covered.

Actually, I think he may have been wearing that same one when he was arrested. There’s a picture in black & white, but it looks the same style. If it IS genuine, where did he get the money from to but TWO, I wonder? Or maybe, like he claimed, he did steal them...

Piffle!!! You only have to watch Antiques Roadshow to know that the genuine article, when kept in it's case and never worn, remains as pristine as the day it was made. A similar item, worn and used as had been intended, will carry all the hallmarks of such. It has nothing to do with the crass vulgarity of being 'designer'.