What if Mrs Fenn had called the police the night of the crying?

[faithlilly]

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You don't know what evidence SY have... The PJ seem to be doing nothing except allowing SY to investigate... But they have said clearly there is no evidence, against the mccanns

So the independent evidence for the open window?

[Lace]

The truth is that there is no evidence that Maddie was abducted so if your claim about SY is right then they have wasted 11 million quid on what amounts to nothing more than a wild goose chase.  In any event it is the Portuguese police who maintain primacy in this case and they aren't looking for any abductor imo.

There is evidence that Madeleine was abducted,  she was asleep in her bed,  a window was open which had been closed when the McCann's left the apartment and Madeleine has not been found.

What evidence of abduction was there for Sarah Payne?   If her brother hadn't seen the white van there wouldn't have been any,  just a child disappeared.

What evidence for April Jones?   If her friend hadn't seen her getting in that car there wouldn't have been any evidence apart from the fact she was playing outside and then disappeared.

[faithlilly]

There is evidence that Madeleine was abducted,  she was asleep in her bed,  a window was open which had been closed when the McCann's left the apartment and Madeleine has not been found.

What evidence of abduction was there for Sarah Payne?   If her brother hadn't seen the white van there wouldn't have been any,  just a child disappeared.

What evidence for April Jones?   If her friend hadn't seen her getting in that car there wouldn't have been any evidence apart from the fact she was playing outside and then disappeared.

Each one of those cases had witnesses to the crime.

Where is the evidence that the window was open when Kate entered the room?

[Lace]

Each one of those cases had witnesses to the crime.

Where is the evidence that the window was open when Kate entered the room?

The McCann's are witnesses to the fact the window was open when they left it shut.

Lucky the others were witnesses isn't it,   though I think the police would still have said the children had been abducted.

[faithlilly]

The McCann's are witnesses to the fact the window was open when they left it shut.

Lucky the others were witnesses isn't it,   though I think the police would still have said the children had been abducted.

Gerry isn’t. He said Kate had told him it was open when she arrived.

The others? Who? Who saw the window open before Kate ?

[Lace]

Gerry isn’t. He said Kate had told him it was open when she arrived.

The others? Who? Who saw the window open before Kate ?

Yes and Gerry believed Kate why would she lie?

The others I meant the other British cases Sarah Payne and April Jones lucky they had witnesses.

[faithlilly]

Yes and Gerry believed Kate why would she lie?

The others I meant the other British cases Sarah Payne and April Jones lucky they had witnesses.

That’s not the point. Her claim is uncobborated.


Not sure what you mean about lucky ? In what way ?

[Angelo222]

So the independent evidence for the open window?

Actualment didn't Matt say it was closed when he did his ear check?

[Angelo222]

There is evidence that Madeleine was abducted,  she was asleep in her bed,  a window was open which had been closed when the McCann's left the apartment and Madeleine has not been found.

That's not evidence. We only have her parents word for what you offer and Kate McCann's fingerprints on the window.

On the other hand we have the evidence from two tracker dogs that she walked out of 5a and was lifted across the road from mini reception. Woke, wandered and was abducted.

[faithlilly]

Actualment didn't Matt say it was closed when he did his ear check?

He did but that’s not what I’m seeking evidence of.

[Angelo222]

Now back to the Fenn files.  Mrs Fenn heard the child crying daddy on the Tuesday night for over an hour. Maddie allegedly told her mother that she and Sean had cried the night before ie Wednesday night.  So we have crying episodes each night culminating in Maddie's disappearance. Add to that the twins drowsiness and inability to wake up even during all the commotion and wailing and that for me is doggone suspicious.

[Mr Gray]

That's not evidence. We only have her parents word for what you offer and Kate McCann's fingerprints on the window.

On the other hand we have the evidence from two tracker dogs that she walked out of 5a and was lifted across the road from mini reception. Woke, wandered and was abducted.

from wahti hve read their evidence is unreliable and this seems to be confirmed in the files by the handlers

[Mr Gray]

Now back to the Fenn files.  Mrs Fenn heard the child crying daddy on the Tuesday night for over an hour. Maddie allegedly told her mother that she and Sean had cried the night before ie Wednesday night.  So we have crying episodes each night culminating in Maddie's disappearance. Add to that the twins drowsiness and inability to wake up even during all the commotion and wailing and that for me is doggone suspicious.

looks like the investigating police dont agree with you...and mrs fenns  statement is uncorroborated

[Angelo222]

looks like the investigating police dont agree with you...and mrs fenns  statement is uncorroborated

It will have been corroborated by her friend and Silvia Batista or do you think the PJ are so stupid as to not check such things?  Not everything the police did is reflected in the files.

[Mr Gray]

It will have been corroborated by her friend and Silvia Batista or do you think the PJ are stupid?

they were not there so cannot corroborate it