What if Mrs Fenn had called the police the night of the crying?

[Mr Gray]

It will have been corroborated by her friend and Silvia Batista or do you think the PJ are so stupid as to not check such things?  Not everything the police did is reflected in the files.

you would therefore agree SY may well have evidence of abduction

[faithlilly]

you would therefore agree SY may well have evidence of abduction

And that evidence of the open window ?

[Robittybob1]

Do you have a cite to support any of this... It may well be mythical

I have spent hours trying to get to the source of this and originally the transcript of the interview must have been available but now I can only find quotes from the transcript and discussion about the quotes but no one ever says it never happened.
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http://www.terra.com.pe/noticias/articu ... 934149.htm

La directora de servicios técnicos del resort Ocean Club, Silvia Batista, afirmó que la misma noche en que Madeleine desapareció, ella en persona le ofreció el servicio de cuidado de niños "porque el hotel es responsable por los hijos de los clientes, pero ellos lo rechazaron"



Translation:

The director of the Ocean Club's technical services, Silvia Batista, confirmed that on the same night Madeleine disappeared, she in person offered them the babysitting service, because the hotel is responsible for its guests, but they rejected her offer."
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/silvia-batista-t10908.html   

[Robittybob1]

Have the mccanns ever denied it

Yes they have denied that.

[Robittybob1]

Why not ? Because your bias just screams it can’t be?

How can Mrs Fenn's statement ever be corroborated?  It could have been possible to have evidence she told someone, but that is not corroboration of the crying but just that she was annoyed by the claimed crying.

[Robittybob1]

But that’s not what even the McCanns say.

You wouldn't believe them no matter what they say.

[Robittybob1]

Each one of those cases had witnesses to the crime.

Where is the evidence that the window was open when Kate entered the room?

One thing is certain we know specifically which window Kate claims was open, but with Mrs Fenn she hears a child cry but we can't be certain it was the same child for the hour and quarter.

[Mr Gray]

How can Mrs Fenn's statement ever be corroborated?  It could have been possible to have evidence she told someone, but that is not corroboration of the crying but just that she was annoyed by the claimed crying.

Mrs Fenn may well have heard crying but can we be sure for how long.... The answer is no.

[Carana]

One thing is certain we know specifically which window Kate claims was open, but with Mrs Fenn she hears a child cry but we can't be certain it was the same child for the hour and quarter.

Nor which apartment (s) the sound (s) actually came from. In her statement, she stated that she oftens stays up late. Where was she at the time - patio-side (more logical for a living room) or in bed (possibly road-side or off to the side)? Some people also have a TV and a phone extension in the bedroom, but she doesn't appear to have been asked.

She also stated that she didn't hear anything on the evening of 3 May until approximately 22:30 when she heard a woman shouting (who must have been Kate). People were already swarming around the flat by that time, and I doubt that they were all whispering.

Many elderly people have hearing aids, which I'm told don't always reflect sound accurately. All the more reason to have conducted a reconstruction to verify where the sound could have been coming from and for contacting Edna to check on the time.

Who was above Mrs Fenn? Could the sliding door noise have come from above and not below?

[carlymichelle]

i read somewhere once and im not sure  where so dont ask  for cites but someone/some people heard maddie/the mcann children crying     and  went in though the open/unlocked door/s and  conforted the children  but that was not the night maddie vanished? could that of been the crying incident when maddie asked why gerry and kate didnt  come   when they were crying??

[carlymichelle]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/400796/Mystery-couple-seen-going-into-McCanns-flat-on-night-before-sobbing-Madeleine-disappeared



Mystery couple seen going into McCanns’ flat on night before sobbing Madeleine disappeared
SCOTLAND YARD detectives are trying to find a middle-aged couple said to have entered Madeleine McCann’s holiday apartment to comfort her because she was crying, we can reveal today.
By James Murray
PUBLISHED: 00:00, Sun, May 19, 2013

Madeleine s tears alerted a resident on eve of her disappearance Madeleine’s tears alerted a resident on eve of her disappearance

It is believed they entered the bedroom on May 2, 2007, the evening before Madeleine disappeared from the Ocean Club at Praia da Luz on Portugal’s Algarve.

The tip-off was given by two key witnesses who were reinterviewed as part of the Yard’s two-year, £4.5million  investigation.

It is already known that Pamela Fenn, who lived directly above apartment 5a, heard a child, believed to be Madeleine, crying for about an hour on the evening of May 2.

She was so concerned she rang a friend in the village to ask what to do and considered ringing Portugal’s Policia Judiciaria.

At the time, Madeleine’s mother Kate and father Gerry were dining with friends at a tapas bar some 50 yards from the apartment.

A source said: “Police were astonished when this new information came to light. Officers spoke to other key witnesses to discover more about the middle-aged couple.

“Apparently they were concerned about the crying and went to see if they could comfort the girl.”

Pamela Fenn has since died, so police have been speaking to other people who were staying in the same apartments.

Our revelation comes as Scotland Yard detectives say there are potentially 20 suspects they want to speak to. Retiring Detective Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell, head of the Yard’s Homicide and Serious Crime Command, urged Portuguese authorities to investigate the new leads.

He said: “There are a lot of people of interest. There are people who could be properly explored further, if only to be eliminated.”

Scotland Yard officers have been interviewing witnesses here for months, although the public prosecutor in Portugal has decided against reopening the investigation.

Despite claims of a “Mexican stand off” between Portuguese police and Yard officers, the Sunday Express understands there is in fact very good co-operation between both squads.

Pedro de Carmo, deputy national leader of the PJ, said yesterday: “We still co-operate with their team. There are good communications.”

Portuguese officers are very impressed with the diligence of the Met investigation and have been impressed with their interviews with witnesses in Britain.

We can confirm that a couple staying in the same block as apartment 5a were interviewed last February.

They were in their apartment on the night Madeleine vanished. Afterwards they wrote an account of what they saw but were never formally interviewed by Portuguese detectives.

They had been at a restaurant earlier in the evening and left at about 9pm.

madeleine mccann, maddie, scotland yard, new, suspects, mystery, couple, missingOcean Club view, showing distance between tapas bar and McCanns’ apartment

    The McCanns were in bits, he was crying on the shoulder of a friend. She was screaming: ‘The f*****g b......s have taken her’

    The woman’s statement

On their way home they walked directly past the entrance to the Ocean Club pool, where the “Tapas 7” (the name given to the friends eating with the McCanns on the night Madeleine disappeared) were enjoying the meal with Kate and Gerry.

They walked past apartment 5a but noticed nothing untoward. The woman said in her statement: “I stood on the balcony at about 9.15 with a whisky.

“I saw people eating at the tapas bar and children in the play area. We went to bed at 10pm-ish. We were woken up by our bell ringing at 11.30pm. It was a friend of the McCanns, saying that a little girl had been abducted. The friend asked if we had a computer so they could get the media involved in the search.

“Two police were on the corner of our block, one lady said that off-duty police had come and were searching. We did see single men on mobiles while we were out who could have been police.”

The couple took part in the search for Madeleine and then returned to their apartment.

The woman’s statement continues: “We walked back up towards our apartment, a group had gathered on the corner. The McCanns were in bits, he was crying on the shoulder of a friend. She was screaming: ‘The f*****g b......s have taken her’. Finally, at around 4am, we said: ‘Is it OK if we go to bed?’ We directed this comment towards a man in a white shirt and jeans, who seemed to be authoritative.”

At the couple’s home here, two Yard officers questioned them separately for three hours and got them to sign lengthy statements. They further interviewed them this year to double check their information.

The couple are key because at precisely 9.15pm on May 3, Jane Tanner, a friend of the McCanns, said she left the tapas bar and walked past Gerry, who was talking to holidaymaker Jez Wilkins outside apartment 5a.

Neither Gerry nor Kate said they saw Jane. She reported that she had seen a man carrying a child, believed to be Madeleine, walking across the top of the road.

At the time she had not realised the significance. Officers asked the couple if they saw Jane, Gerry or Jez but they insist they did not.

The Sunday Express has visited the couple’s holiday apartment, which looks over the tapas bar. From its balcony you can see directly into the garden of apartment 5a.

The woman said: “We have one of the best views of the whole block. We are sure of the timings. If we had seen anyone we would have remembered.

“We will continue to answer the Yard’s questions. We have given our fingerprints and DNA. We were happy to assist. They should be left to get on with their inquiries.”

[Mr Gray]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/400796/Mystery-couple-seen-going-into-McCanns-flat-on-night-before-sobbing-Madeleine-disappeared



Mystery couple seen going into McCanns’ flat on night before sobbing Madeleine disappeared
SCOTLAND YARD detectives are trying to find a middle-aged couple said to have entered Madeleine McCann’s holiday apartment to comfort her because she was crying, we can reveal today.
By James Murray
PUBLISHED: 00:00, Sun, May 19, 2013

Madeleine s tears alerted a resident on eve of her disappearance Madeleine’s tears alerted a resident on eve of her disappearance

It is believed they entered the bedroom on May 2, 2007, the evening before Madeleine disappeared from the Ocean Club at Praia da Luz on Portugal’s Algarve.

The tip-off was given by two key witnesses who were reinterviewed as part of the Yard’s two-year, £4.5million  investigation.

It is already known that Pamela Fenn, who lived directly above apartment 5a, heard a child, believed to be Madeleine, crying for about an hour on the evening of May 2.

She was so concerned she rang a friend in the village to ask what to do and considered ringing Portugal’s Policia Judiciaria.

At the time, Madeleine’s mother Kate and father Gerry were dining with friends at a tapas bar some 50 yards from the apartment.

A source said: “Police were astonished when this new information came to light. Officers spoke to other key witnesses to discover more about the middle-aged couple.

“Apparently they were concerned about the crying and went to see if they could comfort the girl.”

Pamela Fenn has since died, so police have been speaking to other people who were staying in the same apartments.

Our revelation comes as Scotland Yard detectives say there are potentially 20 suspects they want to speak to. Retiring Detective Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell, head of the Yard’s Homicide and Serious Crime Command, urged Portuguese authorities to investigate the new leads.

He said: “There are a lot of people of interest. There are people who could be properly explored further, if only to be eliminated.”

Scotland Yard officers have been interviewing witnesses here for months, although the public prosecutor in Portugal has decided against reopening the investigation.

Despite claims of a “Mexican stand off” between Portuguese police and Yard officers, the Sunday Express understands there is in fact very good co-operation between both squads.

Pedro de Carmo, deputy national leader of the PJ, said yesterday: “We still co-operate with their team. There are good communications.”

Portuguese officers are very impressed with the diligence of the Met investigation and have been impressed with their interviews with witnesses in Britain.

We can confirm that a couple staying in the same block as apartment 5a were interviewed last February.

They were in their apartment on the night Madeleine vanished. Afterwards they wrote an account of what they saw but were never formally interviewed by Portuguese detectives.

They had been at a restaurant earlier in the evening and left at about 9pm.

madeleine mccann, maddie, scotland yard, new, suspects, mystery, couple, missingOcean Club view, showing distance between tapas bar and McCanns’ apartment

    The McCanns were in bits, he was crying on the shoulder of a friend. She was screaming: ‘The f*****g b......s have taken her’

    The woman’s statement

On their way home they walked directly past the entrance to the Ocean Club pool, where the “Tapas 7” (the name given to the friends eating with the McCanns on the night Madeleine disappeared) were enjoying the meal with Kate and Gerry.

They walked past apartment 5a but noticed nothing untoward. The woman said in her statement: “I stood on the balcony at about 9.15 with a whisky.

“I saw people eating at the tapas bar and children in the play area. We went to bed at 10pm-ish. We were woken up by our bell ringing at 11.30pm. It was a friend of the McCanns, saying that a little girl had been abducted. The friend asked if we had a computer so they could get the media involved in the search.

“Two police were on the corner of our block, one lady said that off-duty police had come and were searching. We did see single men on mobiles while we were out who could have been police.”

The couple took part in the search for Madeleine and then returned to their apartment.

The woman’s statement continues: “We walked back up towards our apartment, a group had gathered on the corner. The McCanns were in bits, he was crying on the shoulder of a friend. She was screaming: ‘The f*****g b......s have taken her’. Finally, at around 4am, we said: ‘Is it OK if we go to bed?’ We directed this comment towards a man in a white shirt and jeans, who seemed to be authoritative.”

At the couple’s home here, two Yard officers questioned them separately for three hours and got them to sign lengthy statements. They further interviewed them this year to double check their information.

The couple are key because at precisely 9.15pm on May 3, Jane Tanner, a friend of the McCanns, said she left the tapas bar and walked past Gerry, who was talking to holidaymaker Jez Wilkins outside apartment 5a.

Neither Gerry nor Kate said they saw Jane. She reported that she had seen a man carrying a child, believed to be Madeleine, walking across the top of the road.

At the time she had not realised the significance. Officers asked the couple if they saw Jane, Gerry or Jez but they insist they did not.

The Sunday Express has visited the couple’s holiday apartment, which looks over the tapas bar. From its balcony you can see directly into the garden of apartment 5a.

The woman said: “We have one of the best views of the whole block. We are sure of the timings. If we had seen anyone we would have remembered.

“We will continue to answer the Yard’s questions. We have given our fingerprints and DNA. We were happy to assist. They should be left to get on with their inquiries.”

So no real evidence this ever happened... The couple interviewed in this article never claimed to have entered the alprtment the night before

[John]

So no real evidence this ever happened... The couple interviewed in this article never claimed to have entered the alprtment the night before

In my opinion, had a couple entered the McCann apartment in order to check on a crying child they would have reported the matter to the Ocean Club staff immediately. This never happened which clearly undermines the entire story.

[Carana]

In my opinion, had a couple entered the McCann apartment in order to check on a crying child they would have reported the matter to the Ocean Club staff immediately. This never happened which clearly undermines the entire story.

I agree. It sounds like so many old forum myths that get rehashed until they are eventually assumed to be "fact".

[Brietta]

So no real evidence this ever happened... The couple interviewed in this article never claimed to have entered the alprtment the night before

If the reference is to Mr and Mrs Moyes who arrived on Wednesday 2 May, in my opinion if it is not only mistaken it may very well be an outright fabrication.