What if Mrs Fenn had called the police the night of the crying?

[Angelo222]

they were not there so cannot corroborate it

Mrs Fenn's friend would be able to corroborate the episode, she might well even have heard it over the telephone.  As for Mrs Batista, she would be able to corroborate the fact that a complaint had been made to her the following day about the crying in 5a.  Neither witness needed to be physically there in order to back up Mrs Fenn's claim.

[Mr Gray]

Mrs Fenn's friend would be able to corroborate the episode, she might well even have heard it over the telephone.  As for Mrs Batista, she would be able to corroborate the fact that a complaint had been made to her the following day about the crying in 5a.  Neither witness needed to be physically there in order to back up Mrs Fenn's claim.

No one can confirm how long the crying lasted

[Angelo222]

No one can confirm how long the crying lasted

Depends of course how many times Mrs Fenn rang her friend?

[Mr Gray]

Depends of course how many times Mrs Fenn rang her friend?

So has it been confirmed

[Angelo222]

So has it been confirmed

The police were certainly sure of Mrs Fenn's report.

The Truth of the Lie - Goncalo Amaral

1st May 2007

"For an hour and a quarter, between 10.30 and 11.45pm,  in the apartment where she is in the company of her brother and her sister, Madeleine does not stop crying and calling out for her father. She does not calm down until after her parents return."

[Carana]

The police were certainly sure of Mrs Fenn's report.

The Truth of the Lie - Goncalo Amaral

1st May 2007

"For an hour and a quarter, between 10.30 and 11.45pm,  in the apartment where she is in the company of her brother and her sister, Madeleine does not stop crying and calling out for her father. She does not calm down until after her parents return."

Mrs Fenn never said it was Madeleine - how could she?

[faithlilly]

Mrs Fenn never said it was Madeleine - how could she?

She said it was a child, not a baby of below two iirc and she said it definitely came from the apartment below. That narrows things down.

[Carana]

She said it was a child, not a baby of below two iirc and she said it definitely came from the apartment below. That narrows things down.

Assuming the crying did come from that apartment, it could have been any of the three. But there's still no corroboration that it did.

I wonder what word the PJ officer used when asking her to give an approximate stage of growth of a child?

[faithlilly]

Assuming the crying did come from that apartment, it could have been any of the three. But there's still no corroboration that it did.

I wonder what word the PJ officer used when asking her to give an approximate stage of growth of a child?

I don’t think it really matters what child was crying, what matters is that one was for an hour and a quarter.

And as I said a few days ago there’s no corroboration that the window was open before Kate entered the apartment. Should we doubt her claim too ?

[Carana]

I don’t think it really matters what child was crying, what matters is that one was for an hour and a quarter.

And as I said a few days ago there’s no corroboration that the window was open before Kate entered the apartment. Should we doubt her claim too ?

It could have been different children even from different apartments. Kate did say that Amelie (?) cried sometime late that evening, but said that it didn't last that long (and she and Gerry were already in bed).

There could have been some other young kid crying elsewhere, then Amelie later, which may well have sounded louder to her.

[pathfinder73]

Assuming the crying did come from that apartment, it could have been any of the three. But there's still no corroboration that it did.

I wonder what word the PJ officer used when asking her to give an approximate stage of growth of a child?

Mrs. Fenn was sure it was from the McCanns apartment.

"She also said that she never told the McCann's that she had heard their daughter crying previously on 1st May because she thought it would just increase their suffering."

And I will make sure you ALL don't miss this:

"She found it strange that Gerry when said that a girl had been abducted, he did not mention that it was his daughter."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAMELA_FENN.htm

[Carana]

Mrs. Fenn was sure it was from the McCanns apartment.

"She also said that she never told the McCann's that she had heard their daughter crying previously on 1st May because she thought it would just increase their suffering."

And I will make sure you ALL don't miss this:

"She found it strange that Gerry when said that a girl had been abducted, he did not mention that it was his daughter."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAMELA_FENN.htm

Did she speak to them at any point right after the disappearance?  If so, did she mention the burglaries?

[faithlilly]

It could have been different children even from different apartments. Kate did say that Amelie (?) cried sometime late that evening, but said that it didn't last that long (and she and Gerry were already in bed).

There could have been some other young kid crying elsewhere, then Amelie later, which may well have sounded louder to her.

Mrs Fenn was quite clear that the sobs came from the apartment below her. Further if the McCanns and their friends were checking every half an hour and the sobbing went on for over an hour and a half why did none of the friends mention hearing the sobs ? If it was in another apartment. Surely that could have even bolstered the abduction theory ?

As to the Amelie crying, I believe that was in the early hours of the morning.

[Carana]

Mrs Fenn was quite clear that the sobs came from the apartment below her. Further if the McCanns and their friends were checking every half an hour and the sobbing went on for over an hour and a half why did none of the friends mention hearing the sobs ? If it was in another apartment. Surely that could have even bolstered the abduction theory ?

As to the Amelie crying, I believe that was in the early hours of the morning.

The thing is, there was no corroboration as to where the sound was coming from nor about the time. How many other kids could have been in that block that night? Some flats had private owners, so not necessarily on a package holiday list. Was that checked out?

[faithlilly]

The thing is, there was no corroboration as to where the sound was coming from nor about the time. How many other kids could have been in that block that night? Some flats had private owners, so not necessarily on a package holiday list. Was that checked out?

The time must have been very near to what Mrs Fenn remembers as she called her friend Edna about it and what old woman calls anther old woman later that 11.45 ? Further you say Mrs Fenn may have been hard of hearing yet she did hear a child. Why didn’t the McCanns or their friends on their half hourly checks ?