What if Mrs Fenn had called the police the night of the crying?

[faithlilly]

Are you making accusations?

No-one knows exactly who was crying on the previous night .... unless you wish to condemn a family based on the hearing and thoughts of an old, almost certainly partially deaf woman

https://www.nidcd.nih.gov/sites/default/files/Content%20Images/hearing-loss.png


If you add up the figures for woman, you will find that 100% of women start going deaf before, or by the age of 70

How old was Mrs Fenn?  About 80 is my guess.  With almost 100% certainty, she suffered significant hearing loss.     Her loud voice indicates that also.  Deaf people speak loudly.  Mrs Fenn  was loud.  Her hearing was not good and by the way she almost shouted, I would guess it was quite bad.   IMO, she would have no idea from whence the sound originated

So are you still prepared (and loving it?) to intimate that Madeleine cried two nights running when you have no sound evidence, other than the one night that Kate so honestly told the PJ about?     

If so I hope that you are never called for Jury service

A simple question. If Mrs Fenn was so hard of hearing that she couldn’t hear a child crying in the flat nearest to her how is she going to hear a child in a flat further away. That she may have been deaf but she heard crying suggests the crying was very close.

[G-Unit]

If they weren't interviewed how is it possible to state they had nothing to say?

I said 'I imagine'. The PJ were present in the village and anyone with information was free to approach them. Jez Wilkins did that.

How is it possible to state that the people in 5J left on 4th May without providing a cite? That's what I'd like to know.

[blonk]

The thread title is: "What if Mrs Fenn had called the police the night of the crying?"

A good question, but perhaps an equally good question would be: "Why on earth didn't she call the police on the night of the crying?"

And it also seems she contacted no-one else at all, except her friend Edna Glyn. It is likely that Mrs Fenn, as most old people do, would have had a list of emergency numbers to hand by her 'phone - police, fire, ambulance, Ocean Club reception etc.

Yet she only spoke to Edna Glyn, about which we glean only this:

Quote from Mrs Fenn statement: "That night she contacted a friend called EDNA GLYN, who also lives in Praia da Luz, after 23.00, telling her about the situation, who was not surprised at the child's crying".

And that's all! So it seems that Mrs Fenn was chatting to her friend, a child frantically crying 'Daddy! Daddy!' ever more loudly in the background...then Mrs Fenn reported it to Mrs Glyn...Mrs Glyn said: "I'm not surprised!, and...er...that's it?  Did neither of them think that someone should be contacted?

But I wanted to raise one more issue which as yet has only been mentioned once on the thread, and that is this peculiar statement from Mrs Fenn:

QUOTE:  "...at approximately 22.30 she heard a child cry, and that due the tone of the crying seemed to be a young child and not a baby of two years of age or younger".

Now, firstly, that statement is ambiguous. Something may have been lost in translation. But reading it as I think it's meant to be taken, it seems that she's telling the PJ: "I heard this child crying. It didn't sound like a child of 2 (which I take to mean younger than 3). The child sounded if it was over 2 (i.e. at least three years old)".

I admit I am male, and maybe females are better at this sort of thing. But I have heard a great number of crying children in my time. I suggest it would be very hard to distinguish between the crying of a 2-year-old and a 3-year-old child. 

Can anyone explain why Mrs Fenn should be so very specific about the crying being from a 3-year-old and not a 2-year-old?     

I can't account for it.

If she had said: "It was a young child, not a baby", that would be understandable.

Instead of which we have a convoluted statement that the child was: "not a baby of two years of age or younger".

So that is two question marks about Mrs Fenn's evidence:  1 Why didn't she get help from the police or the Ocean Club?  2. Why is she so insistent that the crying was not  "from a baby of two years of age or younger"?   

[Robittybob1]

What do we know about "EDNA GLYN"

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6209.msg233311#msg233311

"Odd thing is, only Pamela Fenn heard this crying. Not another sole in the block heard anything. Seems like the Moyes didn't miss much, they heard nothing.

I find a few other things odd about Mrs Fenn's translated statement.

1. Mrs Fenn was in the living room, on the back of her apartment, watching News at Ten.
Madeleine's bedroom was on the front of 5a, but she manages to hear the words 'Daddy, daddy'.

2. She rang her friend Edna Glynn to tell her. And according to Murat, she rang him.

3. She listened to crying for an hour and 15 minutes, and did nothing. Instead of ringing every Tom, Dick and Harry, why not ring the Tapas bar, to ask if the parents were there.

4. She never mentioned it to her niece or her son.

5. She never told the McCann's. Even when she spoke to Gerry.

Come on, a woman of her age not doing something about this, is just unbelieveable.

If she made a statement on the 4th May, where is it?"

[Robittybob1]

We can't all be correct.

[G-Unit]

What do we know about "EDNA GLYN"

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6209.msg233311#msg233311

"Odd thing is, only Pamela Fenn heard this crying. Not another sole in the block heard anything. Seems like the Moyes didn't miss much, they heard nothing.

I find a few other things odd about Mrs Fenn's translated statement.

1. Mrs Fenn was in the living room, on the back of her apartment, watching News at Ten.
Madeleine's bedroom was on the front of 5a, but she manages to hear the words 'Daddy, daddy'.

2. She rang her friend Edna Glynn to tell her. And according to Murat, she rang him.

3. She listened to crying for an hour and 15 minutes, and did nothing. Instead of ringing every Tom, Dick and Harry, why not ring the Tapas bar, to ask if the parents were there.

4. She never mentioned it to her niece or her son.

5. She never told the McCann's. Even when she spoke to Gerry.

Come on, a woman of her age not doing something about this, is just unbelieveable.

If she made a statement on the 4th May, where is it?"

Is there any reason why Madeleine should be crying in her bedroom? She could have been in any room, including the living room directly below Mrs Fenn's living room. Mrs Fenn had no reason to believe the children were alone, as far as I know.

[Brietta]

What do we know about "EDNA GLYN"

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6209.msg233311#msg233311

"Odd thing is, only Pamela Fenn heard this crying. Not another sole in the block heard anything. Seems like the Moyes didn't miss much, they heard nothing.

I find a few other things odd about Mrs Fenn's translated statement.

1. Mrs Fenn was in the living room, on the back of her apartment, watching News at Ten.
Madeleine's bedroom was on the front of 5a, but she manages to hear the words 'Daddy, daddy'.

2. She rang her friend Edna Glynn to tell her. And according to Murat, she rang him.

3. She listened to crying for an hour and 15 minutes, and did nothing. Instead of ringing every Tom, Dick and Harry, why not ring the Tapas bar, to ask if the parents were there.

4. She never mentioned it to her niece or her son.

5. She never told the McCann's. Even when she spoke to Gerry.

Come on, a woman of her age not doing something about this, is just unbelieveable.

If she made a statement on the 4th May, where is it?"

What is and what is not known about Edna Glyn?  Did she ever pass comment on Mrs Fenn's phone call?  What did the phone records say?