A Quick Question.

[G-Unit]

Is there a record of all the flats occupied in that block that evening?

Did anyone ask her if she was sure that it couldn't have come from Block 6?

Did she have her verandah door open that evening? She may have done, although it appears to have been a bit windy and chilly that evening.

Unlike some, the PJ took her word that she knew what she heard and knew where it was coming from. It seems the only people casting doubt on her faculties are those who object to any evidence which contradicts the McCann's stories. I find that strange because the story they told changed over time;

on one night, he cannot say which, Madeleine slept in his room in his bed. He thinks it might have been shortly after their arrival at the apartment. Madeleine came to his room saying that Amelie was crying and she couldn't sleep. He thinks that he hadn't heard crying before, and was alerted to this by Madeleine. He does not know if he or his wife comforted Amelie. That night Madeleine slept in his bed.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

Madeleine went to their room and said that her sister Amelie was crying, and sleep with her and Gerry in their room. She says that before Madeleine appeared in their room, she had already heard Amelie crying, however she did not go to the room, as Madeleine went to the room almost at the same time she head the crying. She does not remember if afterwards she or Gerry went to the childrens' room, however she states that Amelie cried for a short time.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_ARGUIDO.htm

some time in the early hours Madeleine came through to our bedroom, complaining that Amelie was crying and had woken her up. Gerry checked on Amelie, who settled quickly, and we let Madeleine jump into bed with us. [madeleine]

[faithlilly]

There is no evidence Madeleine was frightened. That would suggest awareness of the situation she was left in, which is not backed up by any evidence.
It takes seconds to open a window. If staging a scene, she would have made sure others saw the open window & not just told them about it. 
IMO.

Madeleine, in her own words, told her parents that she and one of her siblings ( recollections vary ) had been crying. That sounds like a frightened child to me.

Others did see the open window just not before the alarm.

[faithlilly]

Irrespective of whether she was hard of hearing or not, I'm not and I've had numerous incidents in a building of similar age and discovered that a racket didn't come at all from where it seemed to - including on the wrong floors and sometimes straight across. I've no idea whether that could be the case here, but it's definitely possible.

Of the other couples, I doubt it would have been the Paynes as presumably they would have heard and, from memory, I don't think they ever got up due to their kids crying.

It could have been the Tanner / O'Brien daughter as she was apparently ill that night and might have cried during that time.

So if they were checking every 30 minutes why didn’t hear the racket ?

The Moyes were above Mrs Fenn but they had no children. It could only have been one of the McCann party’s children because there was no one else near enough. Why does no one mention it and why does the crying go on for 1 and a quarter hours if they are checking every 30 minutes.

[faithlilly]

Re the bold bit: I find that it depends on the nature of the sound. I can hear my upstairs neighbour running a damned bath at 2 am, or stomping around in high heels, but I've never known those sounds to float up as they're direct contact noises.

Someone deciding to drill holes, adults screetching at each other or young kids howling - nope. Not sure why, but I've usually found the source of the sound deceptive.

And I have no hearing problems.

And as far as we know neither did Mrs Fenn.

[Carana]

So if they were checking every 30 minutes why didn’t hear the racket ?

The Moyes were above Mrs Fenn but they had no children. It could only have been one of the McCann party’s children because there was no one else near enough. Why does no one mention it and why does the crying go on for 1 and a quarter hours if they are checking every 30 minutes.

Were they asked if they heard a child crying who wasn't in 5A?

[pathfinder73]

Were any prints found on the window handle showing who closed it?

Who closed the window? Madeleine - many stones unturned doesn't reveal it! They need to do an updated version!

"In the children’s room, Gerry lowered the shutter at the open window. Rushing outside, he made the sickening discovery that it could be raised from this side, too, not just from inside as we’d thought. Gerry, David, Russell and Matt split into pairs and dashed around the adjacent apartment blocks, meeting back at our flat within a couple of minutes." (Madeleine)

Who closed the window?

"Then he closed the external blinds, made his way to the outside and tried to open them, which he managed to do, much to his surprise given that he thought that that was only possible from the inside. They continued with searches outside around the various apartment blocks." http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

Who closed the window?

"Gerry, who followed her and the elements of the GNR, said he did close the window because of the babies sleeping in the room, a fact she confirms." http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

That suggests Gerry forgot to mention this important fact in all his statements but his finger prints were not found. Nuff said

[faithlilly]

Rachel was home on the Wednesday night, wasn't she?

The night is irrelevant. What is relevant is that Kate said the walls were so thin that if Madeleine had cried Rachael would have heard her. Yet not one of the tapas group mention hearing the child Mrs Fenn heard on their 30 minute checks. Isn’t that odd.

Further Kate mentions hearing the Oldfields Bath their baby early in the morning. If it is so hard to distinguish where sound is coming from in those apartments how did Kate know it was the Oldfields the sound was coming from ?

[faithlilly]

If you are INSIDE a building you are more likely to hear sounds from upstairs / downstairs / next door than if you are walking to your apartment.  What route did the McCanns take back to their apartment that night, which other apartments did they pass and how long did they linger outside before entering through the slidey door do you suppose?  If Rachel was home that night why didn’t she hear the screaming McCann child?

Firstly different night.

In a nutshell, why did none of the McCann party mention crying on their checks.....and why did it go on for 1 and a quarter hours if they were checking every 30 minutes ? Did they check the children and leave them distressed ?

5a was surrounded by Mrs Fenn, who had no children, the Moyses, who had no children and the tapas group who did. Not one of them mentioned sustained crying on Monday night. You have to ask why ?

[faithlilly]

Is there a record of all the flats occupied in that block that evening?

Did anyone ask her if she was sure that it couldn't have come from Block 6?

Did she have her verandah door open that evening? She may have done, although it appears to have been a bit windy and chilly that evening.

You speculated she was hard of hearing ! What is it Carana was she deaf so couldn’t hear were noise was coming from or had the ears of a bat and could hear sounds from a building metres away ? You really can’t have it both ways.

[carlymichelle]

You speculated she was hard of hearing ! What is it Carana was she deaf so couldn’t hear were noise was coming from or had the ears of a bat and could hear sounds from a building metres away ? You really can’t have it both ways.

as  always faithlily a  supporter is making  all the excuses for the mcanns when there isnt  any IMHO

[faithlilly]

Were they asked if they heard a child crying who wasn't in 5A?

Why would they ? Mrs Fenn was specific about where the sound was coming from.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Being a thicko I do not follow that reasoning; will you please explain including factoring in that sound travels faster through solids and liquids than it does through gases (air). Taking a brick wall as an example is there a variation in the sound reduction index according to the direction the sound is traveling through the air/brick/air sandwich?

Rolls eyes.  I'm not a clever clogs like you, my observations are based on life experience, of having lived in terraced houses and flats for a many years.  What I wrote is so obvious I don't really feel the need to research the science behind it, but if you're determined to show me up then feel free to tell me why someone passing my house now will be able to hear my daughter upstairs clomping about in her room, or her stereo  making a dull boom boom boom noise.

[carlymichelle]

3  and 4  year olds have no concept of time etc they  say how they feel    in the now     if maddie  really  did ask kate   where was she when she and sean/amelie were crying i  find that really   sad   maddie would have been scared   in a strange place  ( to her)  yet  kate claims maddie moved on  from it  just  like  that

[Erngath]

3  and 4  year olds have no concept of time etc they  say how they feel    in the now     if maddie  really  did ask kate   where was she when she and sean/amelie were crying i  find that really   sad   maddie would have been scared   in a strange place  ( to her)  yet  kate claims maddie moved on  from it  just  like  that

Most almost four year old have a concept of time.
They usually understand the concept of today, yesterday, last night,  tomorrow.
You cannot say that Madeleine was scared
You were not there.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Mrs Fenn also heard nothing at all out of the ordinary on the evening of the 3rd May, though her niece had seen a man looking into the McCann apartment.  So, if there was an accident, followed by a death and a mad panic to cover it up, it was all done very quietly, if Mrs Fenn has acute hearing and was alert to noises in her near vicinity.