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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #60 on: June 26, 2018, 12:54:07 PM »
So because they played after high tea for four days on holiday it became a vital part of normal life? I never said they should ignore the twins, you did. I wondered why it seemed like it wasn't too painful to do the same things with two kids that used to be done with three.

You are making a, gross assumption  that it wasn't painful

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #61 on: June 26, 2018, 01:00:21 PM »
How could VS possibly know how the couple were going to feel? He couldn't, could he, but it seems sympathetic speculation attracts no outrage. Strange that.
Why should sympathetic speculation attract outrage?  And where did I claim to know how they would feel anyway?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline G-Unit

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #62 on: June 26, 2018, 01:13:40 PM »
You are making a, gross assumption  that it wasn't painful

No mention of doubts or painful memories in Gerry's blog entry. He sounded positively lighthearted.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #63 on: June 26, 2018, 01:24:22 PM »
No mention of doubts or painful memories in Gerry's blog entry. He sounded positively lighthearted.

So for whatever reason his, daughter is gone.... Almost certainly dead... And you think he sounds light-hearted...
What is your explanation for that... Do you think he, simply doesn't care about his, daughter

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #64 on: June 26, 2018, 01:36:32 PM »
So for whatever reason his, daughter is gone.... Almost certainly dead... And you think he sounds light-hearted...
What is your explanation for that... Do you think he, simply doesn't care about his, daughter
Gerry's blog was about recording events as they happened, not his deepest thoughts and feelings and fears - this is now being used against him as proof of his alleged "light heartedness" .  Absolutely typical behaviour of the critics. 
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Offline Brietta

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #65 on: June 26, 2018, 01:48:46 PM »
At the end of June, the first cloud appeared. A Portuguese journalist called Jes's mobile (he had left his number with the Portuguese police). The journalist, who was writing for a magazine called Sol, called Jes incessantly. We both work in television and cannot claim to be green about the media, but this was a new experience. Jes learned this the hard way. Torn between politeness and wanting to get the journalist off the line without actually saying anything, he had to put the phone down, but he had already said too much. Her article pitched the recollections of "Jeremy Wilkins, television producer" against those of the "Tapas Nine", the group of friends, including the McCanns, whom we had nicknamed the Doctors. The piece was published at the end of June. Throughout July, Sol's testimony meant Jes became incorporated into all the Madeleine chronologies. More clouds began to gather - this time above our house.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/dec/14/ukcrime.madeleinemccann


In December 2007 Bridget O'Donnell described the events she and Jes Wilkins had experienced at the hands of the media as a result of Jes's brief conversation with Jerry McCann on May 3rd.

These are as she pointed out, two individuals who themselves could be considered media savvy but who were taken aback.  What chance did the McCann friends have given the far more intense scrutiny they were exposed to when two media professionals were left struggling by it?

Worth noting that Jes had left his mobile number with the Portuguese police and it was a Portuguese Journalist who used it to make contact with him.


"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #66 on: June 26, 2018, 01:49:49 PM »
In August, the doorbell rang. The man was from the Daily Mail. He asked if Jes was in (he wasn't). After he left I spent an anxious evening analysing what I had said, weighing up the possible consequences. The Sol article had brought the Daily Mail; what would happen next? Two days later, the Mail came for Jes again. This time they had computer printout pictures of a bald, heavy-set man seen lurking in some Praia da Luz holiday snaps. The chatroom implication was that the man was Madeleine's abductor. There was talk on the web, the reporter insinuated, that this man might be Jes. I laughed at the ridiculousness of it all and then realised he was serious. I looked at the pictures, and it wasn't Jes.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/dec/14/ukcrime.madeleinemccann
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #67 on: June 26, 2018, 01:50:35 PM »
Once, Jes's father looked him up on the internet and found that "Jeremy Wilkins, television producer" was referenced on Google more than 70,000 times. There was talk that he was a "lookout" for Gerry and Kate; there was talk that Jes was orchestrating a reality-TV hoax and Madeleine's disappearance was part of the con; there was talk that the Tapas Nine were all swingers. There was a lot of talk.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/dec/14/ukcrime.madeleinemccann
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #68 on: June 26, 2018, 01:51:35 PM »
Quietly, we began to worry that Jes might be next in line for some imagined blame or accusation. On a Saturday night in September, he received a call: we were on the front page of the News of the World. They had surreptitiously taken photographs of us, outside the house. There were no more details. We went to bed, but we could not sleep. "Maddie: the secret witness," said the headline, "TV boss holds vital clue to the mystery." Unfortunately, Jes does not hold any such vital clues. In November, he inched through the events of that May night with Leicestershire detectives, but he saw nothing suspicious, nothing that would further the investigation. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/dec/14/ukcrime.madeleinemccann


Is it any wonder that Jes Wilkins had real cause for concern about returning to Luz to participate in a reconstitution?

Is it any wonder that faced with the prevailing attitudes of the time with so much filth being written about them that the McCann friends were anxious about their safety and well being?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #69 on: June 26, 2018, 01:52:27 PM »
Throughout all this, I have always believed that Gerry and Kate McCann are innocent. When they were made suspects, when they were booed at, when one woman told me she was "glad" they had "done it" because it meant that her child was safe, I began to write this article - because I was there, and I believe that woman is wrong. There were no drug-fuelled "swingers" on our holiday; instead, there was a bunch of ordinary parents wearing Berghaus and worrying about sleep patterns. Secure in our banality, none of us imagined we were being watched. One group made a disastrous decision; Madeleine was vulnerable and was chosen. But in the face of such desperate audacity, it could have been any one of us. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/dec/14/ukcrime.madeleinemccann


Jes and Bridget were there at the time in question and have first hand experience of the events and the people involved.
In my opinion what Bridget has written must carry a lot of weight.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #70 on: June 26, 2018, 01:55:09 PM »
For a professional writer, she does write a load of codswallop - IMO.

Doesn't she realise that Madeleine was specially chosen by some religious nut group and therefore none of the other children were at any risk?
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I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #71 on: June 26, 2018, 02:22:22 PM »
For a professional writer, she does write a load of codswallop - IMO.

Doesn't she realise that Madeleine was specially chosen by some religious nut group and therefore none of the other children were at any risk?
Which bits specifically are “codswallop” and why, in your view?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #72 on: June 26, 2018, 03:13:41 PM »
Gerry's blog was about recording events as they happened, not his deepest thoughts and feelings and fears - this is now being used against him as proof of his alleged "light heartedness" .  Absolutely typical behaviour of the critics.

The fact is gunit has no explanation  for his seemingly lighthearted behaviour.... Which thesis would it fit... None
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Offline G-Unit

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #73 on: June 26, 2018, 04:59:06 PM »
According to the prosecutors the lack of this diligence was a lost opportunity for the McCanns;

We believe that the main damage was caused to the McCann arguidos, who lost the possibility to prove what they have protested since they were constituted arguidos: their innocence towards the fateful event.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #74 on: June 26, 2018, 05:19:40 PM »
According to the prosecutors the lack of this diligence was a lost opportunity for the McCanns;

We believe that the main damage was caused to the McCann arguidos, who lost the possibility to prove what they have protested since they were constituted arguidos: their innocence towards the fateful event.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm
All it would take for you to never have to repeat this bit of the legal summary again is to give a coherent analysis of how taking part in the reconstitution would have proved the parents' innocence.  If it really is as simple as that, it should be very simple to explain. 
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