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Offline Nine

Re: A Case built on Social media?
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2018, 05:29:20 PM »
As I keep saying I cannot find any apps or plug-ins for that time to turn facebook into a forum.....

And is that where lies the problem?? If it was the Police that did this forum as I am starting to believe it was....

Then all the talk of hacking might make sense...(imo). Did someone stretch the bounds of their duties?? And make a plug in ... whatever you want to call it, to turn facebook into a forum... Or had that ability always been there at that time on facebook itself??

Is this why we get talk of "Hacking".... Was facebook hacked in a sense???

I have tried  time and time again to look for this facebook having a forum feature for that date... and cannot find anything at all on it....

Go figure!


Offline Nine

Re: A Case built on Social media?/Clifton People Online/tweetdeck
« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2018, 11:53:50 AM »
Simon Peevers....On The Missing 17/12/2010 group Facebook


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Simon Peevers shared a link.
23 December 2010
Hello, I run the Clifton People hyperlocal website and have of course been following events closely. It is open source which means anybody can post content on it, free to use of course, please feel free to post content or email me at clifton@thelocalpeople.co.uk Thanks, Simon.

CLIFTONPEOPLE.CO.UK
Clifton People | Local News & Views From Clifton People's Community
Clifton People | Local News & Views From Clifton People's Community

Obviously this website is no longer available.....

Here's a question.... Did The Sobbing Girl Post on The Clifton People.Co.uk??

All she/he had to do first have a girls name... second use emoji's to show shes sobbing   8)><( 8)><( 8)><( 8)><(

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SimonPeevers published Friday marks three weeks since 25-year-old Joanna Yeates
went missing from her Clifton ho... http://bit.ly/g9BkIk

10:21 PM - 6 Jan 2011

This tweet if from Simon himself... Anyone can post:

From facebook
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#joyeates murder suspect Vincent Tabak appears in court and told trial set for October 4: http://tinyurl.com/6b6olnl

Tweet Deck...
Tweet like a pro.
The most powerful twitter tool for real time tracking, organising and engagement. Reach your audiences and discover the best of twitter.


Now I'm new to this social media malarkey.. Well I say new... I have had accounts but never really investigated what you can do with them...That's probably why it's taken an age to understand facebook, twitter... etc...
TweetDeck I had never bothered with until this morning... And what an insight.... everything in front of your very eyes... well I'm sure you all know about this wonder, but I'm a bit slow on the uptake....

So looking at tweet deck it tells me and I know you know,but..... It tells me..

* Home

* Notifications

* Messages

* Activity

And an easier way in which to be informed without switching pages on twitter....

So again this has me wondering... Is this the tool that the Police used to gather information about Joanna Yeates??
Couple that with the information on Clifton peoples website and there comments... And you have a wealth of information at your finger tips....

Any random person could post whatever they wanted on Clifton People... They could call themselves Vincent Tabak for instance and admit to this Manslaughter.... who's to know.... Did the locals of Clifton make suggestions of what the police should do... Did someone on there talk of the Missing Sock??

But my Interest in TweetDeck goes back the the Media Strategy... And Avon and Somerset Polices talk of their online form..... Did people DM Avon and Somerset Police on Twitter??

I believe Avon and Somerset Police had at their finger tips, every possible scenario known to man when people tweeted about this case.... Did Dr Vincent Tabak tweet??

Did Vincent Tabak suggest in a tweet about the Pizza??

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Pizza anyone?

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I want to couple that remark with another tweet that I found.....

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Doodslag = new favourite word......means manslaughter in Dutch (!)

9:51 PM - 17 Dec 2010

Now these tweets do not have the hashtag joyeates therefore they would not have shown up on the tweetdeck of the Police.... Now I am making an assumption that they used tweetdeck... But seeing as they used every tool available... I'm not missing tweetdeck out....

Imagine... @mrBrooke talking about Manslaughter on the 17th December 2010 just 50 minutes after Joanna yeates was supposed to have been killed. Not only that mentioning the dutch word "Doodslag"... I say lucky he didn't add a hashtag.....

But apparently searching the word 'doodslag" before the 21st of December 2010 and after the 18th December 2010 was seen as incriminating for Dr Vincent Tabak....

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At Line 271 of the prosecution chart
Tabak searched the Dutch word
‘doodslag’ (English meaning: ‘manslaughter’)

But looking at the 2 examples I have used which one is more incriminating???

Therefore I believe that suspects and especially anyone in clifton who used the hastag #joyeates would in fact appear on the Polices radar, on any social media platform...

I'll apologise now if I jump backwards and forwards... Whilst looking at twitter etc,... other things catch my eye....

But it also has educated me how the Police can collect Information when certain words or phrases are used, not only that, how others on twitter can find out anything about a person...

Suggesting that Dr Vincent Tabak was a into child porn, could easily be interpreted from tweets long before he faced trial.... It depends on peoples twitter feeds and tweetdecks....

So linking the name Vincent Tabak to a twitter handle about Paedo's.. immediately brings suspicion to people following every aspect of this crime.... And why Dr vincent Tabak was not released on bail....



https://tweetdeck.twitter.com
https://twitter.com/cliftonpeople/status/23142079794253824
https://twitter.com/VincentTabak
https://twitter.com/MrBrooke/status/15886767710277632
http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf

Offline Nine

Re: A Case built on Social media?
« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2018, 12:47:44 PM »
Connecting Dr Vincent Tabak to child porn happened as early as 5th May 2011

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CARPET BOMB ROCHDALE Joanna Yeates killing: Vincent Tabak admits manslaughter: The engineer... http://bit.ly/irSbS6 #middleton #kate #rt

11:16 AM - 5 May 2011

I didn't come by the earliest date by accident... But I came by the twitter user by accident..... I was searching Teresa Yeates on twitter and ended up here at this person....


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CARPET BOMB ROCHDALE Joanna Yeates' parents David and Teresa face Vincent Tabak in court fo... http://bit.ly/nPcmE4  #middleton #kate #rt

2:32 PM - 20 Sep 2011

And as has been said.... "Guilt by Association"

With the hashtags that are used on that twitter post, that persons tweet can reach a far wider audience of people ,even if they don't follow him/her on twitter, but just read posts by others using the hashtag... Therefore allowing the public , the Police to see that a user who has the words Paedo and Vincent Tabak's name is there for everyone else to see... wondering why such a user would tweet about Vincent Tabak unless there wasn't something in it.... And we all put 2+2 together and make millions...

Rochdale infamous for the child abuse scandle... Many people looking at that subject at the time could easily come across those tweets and the name only bolsters peoples reasoning (imo)

So I now have confirmation that Dr Vincent Tabak was associated with child porn on the internet as early as the 5th may 2011...

If pressure was to be applied... what would you rather be hung for.... A simple "Murder" or Being a "Paedo"??
What would you rather to to prison as being????

So I'll just quote their tweets from that period before trial... And you will see how Dr Vincent Tabak was associated with child porn for months.... before the trial....

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CARPET BOMB ROCHDALE Joanna Yeates' parents David and Teresa face Vincent Tabak in court fo... http://bit.ly/nPcmE4  #middleton #kate #rt

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UK #NEWS Parents to see Joanna's killer: The parents of landscape architect Joanna Yeates ... http://yhoo.it/r7QEX0  #middleton #kate #rt

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 29 Jul 2011
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UK #NEWS Joanna Yeates' Landlord Wins Libel Damages: Chris Jefferies, the landlord of murd... http://yhoo.it/rcvb6N #middleton #kate #rt

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 6 Jul 2011
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CARPET BOMB ROCHDALE Papers 'in contempt over Joanna Yeates', Government minister claims: A... http://bit.ly/lXRqL9 #middleton #kate #rt

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 5 Jul 2011
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UK #NEWS Tabloids In Court Over Jo Yeates Stories: Newspaper articles published by The Sun... http://yhoo.it/mI3SHU #middleton #kate #rt

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 12 May 2011
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UK #NEWS Tabloids Face Charges Over Jo Yeates Coverage: Two national newspapers are facing... http://yhoo.it/ldUvDH #middleton #kate #rt

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 5 May 2011
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UK #NEWS Tabak guilty of killing Jo Yeates: A Dutch engineer has admitted that he killed la... http://bit.ly/iv4SV3 #middleton #kate #rt

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 5 May 2011
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CARPET BOMB ROCHDALE Joanna Yeates killing: Vincent Tabak admits manslaughter: The engineer... http://bit.ly/irSbS6 #middleton #kate #rt

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CARPET BOMB ROCHDALE Joanna Yeates killing: Vincent Tabak admits Manslaughter: The engineer... http://bit.ly/irSbS6 #middleton #kate #rt

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DCI Phil Jones said they didn't release any further information after Dr Vincent Tabak's arrest..... But as we can see they didn't need too....!!


https://twitter.com/Paedodale/status/116142751665491969
https://twitter.com/Paedodale/status/66083766405308416

Offline Nine

Re: A Case built on Social media?
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2018, 12:50:55 PM »
And during the trial... continuing on till the next year
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UK #NEWS Joanna murder trial draws to close: Jurors trying Joanna Yeates's killer are to he... http://yhoo.it/sdvf9r  #middleton #kate #rt

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 21 Oct 2011
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UK #NEWS Tabak cross-examination to resume: Joanna Yeates's killer will continue to be cros... http://yhoo.it/oK2mUA  #middleton #kate #rt

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 18 Oct 2011
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CARPET BOMB ROCHDALE Joanna Yeates's mother breaks down as murder trial jury is shown pictu... http://bit.ly/qIghIF  #middleton #kate #rt

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 14 May 2012
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CARPET BOMB ROCHDALE Jo Yeates' parents open memorial garden for murdered architect in Clif... http://bit.ly/KkJ53S  #middleton #kate #rt

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 27 Mar 2012
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UK #NEWS Police deny Yeates landlord leak: A police force has rejected suggestions that off... http://yhoo.it/HaidSB  #middleton #kate #rt

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 13 Feb 2012
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CARPET BOMB ROCHDALE Jo Yeates murder: Her parents hit out over killer Vincent Tabak's lega... http://bit.ly/ymyKxB  #middleton #kate #rt

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 25 Jan 2012
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UK #NEWS Jo landlord accuses police of leak: Joanna Yeates's former landlord has accused po... http://yhoo.it/w7aelX  #middleton #kate #rt

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 28 Oct 2011
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UK #NEWS Tabak guilty of Yeates murder: Vincent Tabak has been found guilty of the murder o... http://yhoo.it/tOxG9v  #middleton #kate #rt

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 26 Oct 2011
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CARPET BOMB ROCHDALE Vincent Tabak trial: Joanna Yeates jury retires to consider verdict: J... http://bit.ly/vTQ2zT  #middleton #kate #rt

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CARPET BOMB ROCHDALE Joanna Yeates trial: 'Do not let sympathy cloud your judgment', judge ... http://bit.ly/rCrEiW  #middleton #kate #rt

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UK #NEWS Joanna trial jury considers verdict: Jurors at the Joanna Yeates murder trial have... http://yhoo.it/uo9OKB  #middleton #kate #rt

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 21 Oct 2011
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CARPET BOMB ROCHDALE Vincent Tabak claims Joanna Yeates 'flirted' with him before he strang... http://bit.ly/oSbmkd  #middleton #kate #rt

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CARPET BOMB ROCHDALE Vincent Tabak trial: Joanna Yeates killed 'by accident after she objec... http://bit.ly/q7O8zj  #middleton #kate #rt

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CARPET BOMB ROCHDALE Jo Yeates's distraught mother breaks down in tears as murder trial jur... http://bit.ly/qPwTwP  #middleton #kate #rt

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UK #NEWS Joanna jurors see mortuary photo: The mother of Joanna Yeates has wept as a pictur... http://yhoo.it/nquywd  #middleton #kate #rt

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CARPET BOMB ROCHDALE Vincent Tabak 'strangled Jo Yeates for 20 seconds to stifle scream aft... http://bit.ly/qA01Ev  #middleton #kate #rt

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CARPET BOMB ROCHDALE Joanna Yeates murder trial: Jo's flat where Vincent Tabak strangled he... http://bit.ly/qbpWjG  #middleton #kate #rt

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CARPET BOMB ROCHDALE Joanna Yeates's flat, where Vincent Tabak pinned her down and strangle... http://bit.ly/nx6sfQ  #middleton #kate #rt

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UK #NEWS Jurors to visit Yeates murder scene: Jurors trying the neighbour accused of murde... http://yhoo.it/qQXsqK  #middleton #kate #rt

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CARPET BOMB ROCHDALE Vincent Tabak trial: Joanna Yeates suffered 43 injuries in slow, painf... http://bit.ly/nXNV25  #middleton #kate #rt

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CARPET BOMB ROCHDALE Joanna Yeates killer Vincent Tabak overpowered victim who suffered slo... http://bit.ly/r2jG6l  #middleton #kate #rt

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CARPET BOMB ROCHDALE Vincent Tabak 'on CCTV shopping at Asda while Joanna Yeates body lay c... http://bit.ly/qwY1IV  #middleton #kate #rt

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UK #NEWS Yeates murder trial set to begin: The prosecution case against a neighbour accuse... http://yhoo.it/r16N9o  #middleton #kate #rt

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UK #NEWS Neighbour On Trial For Joanna Yeates Murder: The trial of the Dutch engineer accu... http://yhoo.it/qa428Z  #middleton #kate #rt

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So everyman and his dog, whether juror or a person just Interested in this case... could make an assumption that Dr Vincent Tabak, must be an unsavoury character for this twitter person to tweet about the case when they have no connection to it... also not using the JoYeates hashtag.....  But a search or a hashtag about what was happening in the news at the time will give you plenty of fodder in which to make your assertions....

The judge only said not to look up about the case to the jury... didn't mention "Middleton" "Kate" or "RT" hashtags

So you cannot contain social media... News and Speculating of everyday people  will infiltrate into everyday lives... And my example shows, how easy it is to tar someone with a brush even though the porn was not mentioned at trial...

The public will make their own minds up.... having been exposed to a certain idea by anyone... and associating a type of subject by username, bolsters assumptions that Dr Vincent Tabak had an interest in child porn...!! (imo)

Offline Nine

Re: A Case built on Social media?
« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2018, 02:14:18 PM »
From The Guardian.....

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In legal argument not heard by the jury, Nigel Lickley QC, prosecuting, said Tabak clearly liked films showing women being held by the neck and claimed this ought to be spelled out in open court. "It might shed light on the need to hold a woman for long enough and the need to squeeze hard enough to take her life," he said.
Detectives were particularly interested by three images of a slight, blonde-haired woman resembling Yeates who in one shot was pulling up her pink top to expose her breasts. When Yeates's body was found three miles from her Bristol flat, her pink top was pulled up exposing her bra and part of one breast. Tabak's DNA was found on her chest.


Now I take things literally... and with social media there is a Liked Button

Putting together, this button and the notifications that appear on your twitter page, a man called "Vincent Tabak" on twitter could have quiet easily pressed like on an image of a woman who resembled Joanna Yeates..

We all get random people on our notifications who have liked what we have posted about...

But it needs to be put into context... And what was it about that post you made someone liked?? 

* Was It the  mention of hating something??

* Was it the mention of football??

* Was it the hashtag??

Or was it the fact that your username or image you use as your header sparked interest in this persons judgement in liking your post???

Are we now going to say we can read peoples minds, are we now going to say....
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You see, because I type whilst thinking half the time I will share what I thought whilst I wrote this sentence..

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Are we now going to say we can read peoples minds, are we now going to say....

"Jogee Ruling" springs to mind....

It doesn't mean that everyone would have the same thought with that sentence.... For every individual, it can be applied in different ways depending on their mood.. interests... gossip they may have heard... who they know.... The list is endless, so I won't bore you with it...

But the point I was about to make before I rudely interrupted myself, was how did Dr Vincent Tabak "Like" images of a girl being tied up..... Was it on the side of a truck he had seen an image of on twitter??

It could be absolutely anything.... So to suggest that is what Dr Vincent Tabak likes... doesn't mean that Dr Vincent Tabak was into porn!!

I know most of you on here are well aware of what i am saying.. I'm hoping that it will makes others think about Dr Vincent Tabak's conviction and what was reported in the media.... And how that report can be interpreted..

Again my mind wandered.... whilst searching for tweets on Dr Vincent Tabak...  I found this tweet:

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Baird's Miller Tabak likes $CMG but mentioned valuation concerns and this may be affecting the stock today. $$

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And I find my "Braid"... Showing that as with "Crisis" and peoples spelling error's anyone one can find themselves with a word that was not intended...

I do it all the time waht.. instead of what... I'm constantly checking and sometimes I miss it.....

So what if the Operational name was was supposed to be "Operation Baird"  and someone typed it wrong.. what if the person was dislexic ? Doesn't mean they don't work with computers or do social media....

Which brings me back to Christina Rossetier, whom I wrote about yesterday.... The Poster on "The Missing 17/12/2010 Facebook page"....who wrote a poem....

You see with social media you can imagine anything... you can keep putting two and 2 together...

But if we take a leaf out of Joanna Yeates brother Chris's book

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Chris Eates published a note.
2 July 2007 ·
Spot the mistake below...
Solve :

Param : X=1, Y=1

x = y
-x2= -xy
x2 - y2 = x2 - xy
(x + y)(x - y) = x(x - y)
x + y = x
1 + 1 =2
2 = 1

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Siuming Mok Er,

isn't (x+y)(x-y) = 0?

And so the rest of it's irrelevant...

The real question has then got to be... what came first??

* Bernard the Cat Missing

* Joanna Yeates Missing??

* Woman Missing from home ?/

* Missing in Bristol?

* Missing in Clifton??

* Last seen in Clifton

* Last seen on CCTV

* Last seen at the gate

* Last seen at The Ram

* Seen on Clifton suspension Bridge

* Seen at Waitrose

* Seen at Tesco's

* Seen at Bargain Booze

We need to know the origin of when something was reported and how it was reported... And how social media can make it snowball...

Is Chris Yeates correct??

Once we know what "X" and "Y" is... the rest is irrelevant??

Or did nothing happen??


One last thing.....

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When Yeates's body was found three miles from her Bristol flat, her pink top was pulled up exposing her bra and part of one breast. Tabak's DNA was found on her chest.

Now has anyone questioned whether Dr Vincent Tabak and Joanna Yeates were related in some way?? meaning they would share similar DNA?? Or a relative of Dr Vincent Tabak left the sample, seeing as it was low copy??

Just a thought!!


https://twitter.com/StkConfidential/status/246620314153398273
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/oct/28/vincent-tabak-porn-searches-jury

Offline Nine

Re: A Case built on Social media?
« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2018, 04:05:54 PM »
Many of the posts I have made on this forum, have been my opinion... my choice of words... Me feeling like I was  Investigating this Case...

But what is this case?? Because I still really do not know.... I know where I started.. and why I started, because I felt an Injustice had been done, and didn't want to sit back and do nothing if I felt I could help someone whom was seemingly not in a position to help himself, then I tried to find out what I could... I tried to discredit everything to create the doubt that would be needed at a trial....

But doubt only gets created if the evidence is produced to create that doubt in the first place.... And what ever i have produced doesn't got to any fact at trial... Because to be honest.. unless I had sat in the court room and heard what evidence had been presented.. I could question that....

But I'm questioning everything I find.... And as I have discovered it has taken me to places I would have not chosen on my own volition to go.... But the need to understand what happened, as I had seen what I believe to be an injustice... I was and have been taken on a journey across the Internet, clicking on random people... clicking on their links.... And ending up in their world.... A world which I would not choose to be a part of....

But it you look at my social network history or my Internet search history, can you decide what I was really looking at.. at every turn... Could you tell me what was in my mind at the time... Because I do not believe you could....

As I know myself very well... And random action and tangents I always go off on... goes to the fact, that you cannot trust someones search history or likes/ posts etc... As you cannot prove what that persons Intention was!!

I believe I have learned a lesson....  I believe that twitter/ facebook have shown me that.... Because whatever the original posters name may have been at the time of the tweet or post... It doesn't mean that later on in the day they may have changed that name.... Therefore as with the tweets made by the @Paedodale that I viewed to day.... who's to say that when I look at his name in the future he hasn't changed it.... making the connection I made, totally useless...

It is only of use at the time, or if you have the origin of the information... And with everything I have posted i cannot realistically state that I found the origin....

So for all intense and purposes, I have been talking utter drivel for 20 months... and those that went before me makes that over 7 years.....

There are certain facts that can be established, from sworn testimony of a person at trial.... From official document that support the identity of a person....

The images of all those fire engines attending Longwood Lane to recover a body can got to fact... The PDF tells us they did... But who's body or what sort of body they recovered, isn't established... The only fact we may have is the information that was received about this action..

But then I need the person whom entered the details of the incident to be a witness in court to tell me that is what occured...

So who shall I be today??  Think it may be time for a change of name.... I do it on twitter all the time... So who's to say that all of the social media talk during this operation was actually made by the people we believe it was....

Param : X=1, Y=1=0

No evidence... Maybe no trial.... Maybe No case.....

But I do know this.... I can do this until the cows come home... I can put together anything and people will take from it what they choose to take from it....

No-one on hear is identified... (which is fair enough)... So I have no idea who I may be speaking to... I have no idea if people on social media use the maiden name .. pet name or something they find funny or are just supporting an event...

My computer is about to burst... It has taken a right battering over these 20 months... And if someone tried to piece together everything I had looked at and come up with a conclusion... Then I could have Murdered anyone.... Or planned to murder anyone... Simply by looking or clicking on a hashtag tweet or search.. or even sharing with my fellow followers, my tweets etc..

Maybe it time to go back to basics... And have  proper investigative techniques used in stead of relying on what people may have viewed tweeted about or searched.....

As any slide show produced ... doesn't got to fact either....  My God... imaging letting me loose on a slide show with apparent evidence... you would sleep for a week..... Then need a holiday....

So is The Vincent Tabak Case at trial... about "Intention" in the sense that how do you prove that "Intention" if it is only based on what someones search history was...

How do you prove that Intention based on what the defendant himself/herself claims....

Because based on what Dr Vincent Tabak claimed happened.. which comes from the media etc...  His Intention was not to kill her... his intention was to perhaps steal a kiss....

When coupled with the searches... It totally changes, what I.. You... Or anyone else for that matter may decide in our own thought ... what Dr Vincent Tabak's Intention were..... But it doesn't go to fact....

The power of media whether it is social or otherwise that has an impact on all our lives... and we all choose which parts of that media we choose to believe.....

So I am right back where I started... which is Param : X=1, Y=1=0

I have ZERO evidence of anything relating to the trial of Dr Vincent Tabak.... I have produced NO DOUBT... I have gone around in circles and off in tangents many times..... But all I have proven, is that Social Media/The Media has and The Internet has a great power over everyones lives... But it need to be seen in the correct context...  It needs to be applied only in a social context... and not in the context of trials.... The same goes for mobile phone evidence.... Are texts we read of other peoples evidence that what was going through their mind at that time, is  what they "Intended " everyone who read it to believe??

What was this person doing at the time?? what was this person viewing at the time?? what mood was this person in...

None of these tools however valuable they appear to be points to fact or proves intent...... And really we should be questioning whether or not a court of law is the correct place for them.....

And maybe that was the point of it all... I don't know....
With this Case... there is No Continuity of evidence... There is no one person who take command....  there is No Chain of Evidence..

Making The Strange Case  of Dr Vincent Tabak a case in point, to argue that social media has no relevance in a court room... If it is impossible to know where the information started from.... And what was on the mind of the individual at the time or anytime....

I was about to give you my opinion again ... on what I believe Dr Vincent Tabak's trial was about... But can I prove it....

As everyone keeps saying it was about "intent"...

But it now has to be .... In what context!!!

#TheVincentTabakTrial #JoYeates #elephants #surfing #eggsandbacon #Dr #stalker #chasingwindmills #leonora #nine #mrswah #funkymonkey #ENGOL #paedo #canygneroad #Vincenttabak #IlovePizza #DNA #kiss #TheRoyals #merrywivesofwindsor #neighbour #killer

I could hashtag for ever... And if today I did #Indpendanceday I would have hit 20,000 + people who all may add an addition hashtag to their own posts.... 

Who amongst us could find the origin??

Maybe I have come to an end.... Because all I have managed to do... Is add to the volume of Information out there about a man a murder and a girl...

But if Joanna Yeates is real and we believe this to be true.... Then is she dead or still Missing...

Or was the point being that she was never Missing... they always knew she was dead!!

So what was the point of origin of any of it ??? That really is the question!

 #VincentTabak  #VincentTabakToday  #ski-ing  #yeates  #polonecks  #clifton

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Re: A Case built on Social media?
« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2018, 05:19:44 PM »

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Re: A Case built on Social media?
« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2018, 10:54:10 AM »
Part 1...

Jacquie Yeates Admin of the "Missing" Group"

21st December 2010     16:42
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Jacquie Yeates created the group JOANNA YEATES, MISSING SINCE 17/12/10.
21 December 2010

The BBC have a link on the Facebook Group also 21st December 2010   16:55

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Jacquie Yeates shared a link.
21 December 2010

BBC.CO.UK
Police concern for missing woman
Police are concerned about the safety of a missing woman from Bristol.

As DCI Phil Jones has said... we are going through the timings....

Last night on twitter I was looking for when this campaign started and as I have stated before it is to do with the origins.... I am not quite there but....  I am closer....


Justin Ramsden.... Joanna Yeates cousin?? Well is she??  I don't know for a fact she is neither does anyone else, but it was reported in the media that she was.... And I take it that the media didn't interview her but got there facts from her posts and tweets...

Anyway... I went looking for her tweets and I found her because I was searching for.... "JOANNA YEATES, MISSING SINCE 17/12/10

I looked at all the tweets from that search and that was why and how I came across her tweets for that period of time...

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@tomlarcombe search for JOANNA YEATES, MISSING SINCE 17/12/10 xxx

But I wanted to really understand , when and how the family started their twitter campaign... So I looked for Justine Ramsdens first tweet about her "Missing" COUSIN....!!

Now the timing of this tweet is hugely important , when putting it in context with the "Missing" facebook group page....

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Justine Ramsden

 
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JOANNA YEATES - 25 year old woman, missing from her home in Bristol since Friday night - any information please contact the police

7:30 PM - 21 Dec 2010

This is the very first tweet that I found from Justine Ramsden... No mention of her being Joanna Yeates cousin at this point and even more importantly no mention of the JOANNA YEATES, MISSING SINCE 17/12/10.

Which as we know Jacquie Yeates is apparently ADMIN of this group.... "Jacquie Yeates apparently made the group on the 21st December 2010 at 16:42pm

Yet Justine Ramsden who claims to be Joanna Yeates cousin posts on twitter  at 7:30pm on the 21st December 2010.... without one mention of it being her cousin Missing" without one mention of the Facebook group another relative of Joanna Yeates has set up.... This social media campaign that everyone was trying to get as many people on board, that is up and ready, isn't mentioned by 'Justine Ramsden.....

If you click on her name anything from 2010 is "Missing"... but i found something else odd... which I'll go back to...

(I will post all Justine Ramsdens tweets on another post......)

Justine Ramsden's last tweet about her COUSIN is:

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@Bristollocal PLEASE RT. Joanna Yeates, missing from Clifton, #bristol since Friday 17/12/10. http://bit.ly/fAZCXp for info #helpfindjo

8:47 PM - 24 Dec 2010

Very strange she didn't continue with the tweets....  You could put it down to family and it coming, just before they found Joanna Yeates body... But I have a feeling that isn't the reason....

One other thing of NOTE..... Everyone who knows Joanna Yeates... Friends and Family call her "JO"... so why doesn't Justine Ramsden refer to her as "JO"???

(Why hasn't Justine Ramsden COUSIN of Joanna yeates directed anyone to this "OPEN" facebook page?? About her Missing COUSIN!!!)

So I say it's because of family she no longer tweets... I say because of the situation the family are in at that time Justine Ramsden no longer tweets..... But that cannot be the case....

The quote below is from Facebook "Missing" group.... Justine has got married and her name is now Rayliffe...
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Justine Rayliffe
25 December 2010
Cousin Jo. We are missing you lots and hoping you are safe and warm somewhere. Please everyone keep spreading the word about Jo and say some prayers for her today. Xxx

So on the 25th December 2010 "Justine Ramsden" has posted on the wall of the "Missing group" therefore there has to be another reason why her tweets stop....

I'll add the first tweet I had found when searching for tweets that contained JOANNA YEATES, MISSING SINCE 17/12/10

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JOANNA YEATES, MISSING SINCE 17/12/10 Any news visit -
http://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/LocalPages/NewsDetails.aspx?nsid=22345&t=1&lid=1

1:24 PM - 22 Dec 2010

A random man directing everyone to Avon and Somersets Police website.... notice at this point it's local pages and not the avonandsomerset police webpage ending in /jo

That is also of importance.....

So he as far as I can tell is the first person to direct anyone to the Polices webpage.....
Justin Ramsden doesn't tweet on that day... she tweets on the 21st December 2010 and then it's the 23rd December 2010.

So how is this random man directing everyone to the Polices webpage?? Why not the family?? If they are family??

Now I'll becoming to another conclusion... so I'll carry on on another post....


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8168.msg473899#msg473899
https://twitter.com/JustineRamsden/status/17300998875774976

https://twitter.com/JustineRamsden/status/18407375882944512

https://twitter.com/fraserjwood/status/17571207670931456

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Re: A Case built on Social media?
« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2018, 10:59:58 AM »
Part2....

Justine Ramsdens tweets.........


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Re: A Case built on Social media?
« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2018, 12:17:11 PM »
Part3.... (long post sorry...but relevant!! )

My computer knowledge is not fantastic... But there are things that I know and I know about "Old Apps" on Smart phones.... And this I believe is the key......  The key to unlocking lots of this social media case.....

So I will go back to Jacquie Yeates and when Jacquie Yeates apparently set up the Missing Group"....

I was trying to find out the exact date time etc.... when this group happened.... And I stumbled upon something else....

I hovered over the question mark on the members groupand that being Jacque Yeates....and it revealed something quite extraordinary...

A black box appears.... and I will quote what it say within this black box...

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This list includes people who've joined the group, as well as people who are previewing the group. Anyone who's been invited and approved can preview the content for 28 days


That is the "EUREKA MOMENT..." that is.... Where do I start.....

About me first.....  I am probably the one of a few people who was a Member of the original forum, that I have talked about.... Obviously I explained that, The people on the forum removed me when I re-rejoined the group after the forum was transferred....  But found my discussion group because of the name and also because of the people I remembered....

So I wouldn't have looked at the "Missing" group... because the title was not right..... But when I was first on the forum i had viewed the Missing " group... this is why I remember the likes of "Christina Rossiter" being on the group....


This is where you need to keep up..... And remember what Jacquie Yeates quote is......
This is where my obsession with a certain smartphone will kick in also..... The two connect....
And why the tweets are not used at Dr Vincent Tabak's trial..... (imo)

Where do I start....

Jacquie Yeates quote.......

Anyone who's been invited and approved can preview the content for 28 days

People looking at that would not probably realise the significance.... Unless you are me or thousands upon hundreds of thousand smart phone user of the time....

To day when you preview an app on your smartphone, it is free with ads or you buy it....

Back then there were no ads....

When I used to get apps I wanted to test ,check out, I would download them and they would be a trial....  this is the important bit....

Trails on smart- phone were done on a "Count Down Clock"... you would usually have this time to trial the app for roughly 28 days...

Then either the app would stop working altogether and you would then have to purchase it..... Or another type of timer was... in seconds.... And the app wouldn't start after say... 30 seconds....  and this time would get greater and greater everytime you started the app....

So "EUREKA"......  Who ever originally set up the facebook group, had a knowledge of programming apps in my opinion....

And it is highly possible that this facebook group was set up on a smart phone with developers tools....

Developers tools... Another app, allowing the user to create, timed apps that they invent/make

So... I believe the facebook group and the tweets are all on a timer......  That is why to most people they disappear.... especially if their Facebook/ Twitter account has been the same account before or since the group and tweets were made....

This is why I believe that most people probably cannot see The Missing group"... and why most peoples time-lines are Missing That vital period of time on their 'TIMELINES"...

It's like a time-bomb......  I believe computer code was used that had a timer on it... and when that time had expired anyone who had joined that group or previewed that group, were on the time-bomb... deleting the posts that they made on their time-line....

This is why I believe someone like Dr Vincent Tabak set up the groups... or if not interferred with the group... Remember that "ADMIN" at one point lost control of this group.....

In turn means someone had control..... someone with the knowledge to write computer code and be able to put a timer on the group and the ability for people to preview the group after a set length of time .... that being 28 days...

So yes... now I can answer the question 'How" did everyones "TIMELINES" on their facebook pages have no record of 2010.... And that I believe is because they had either been a member of the " JOANNA YEATES, MISSING SINCE 17/12/10 group or had previewed it.... we are talking thousands of people....

That's why the trial is difficult for anyone to follow.... I wonder if the same applies to Twitter?? probably (imo)

So any media group who used or previewed this group will have it "Missing' from their TIMELINE....

And the only information that the media ever had was either from the videoed interviews by the Family/Rebecca Scott... Or what had originally been said on social media......

This is why nothing changes (imo)... How can it... they have no reference point in which to be able to check from especially their own facebook or twitter accounts....

Now I do not know if this is relevant... But 34 days was mentioned at the Leveson when Amanda Hirst was a witness... So is that 34 days after the last person viewed the information on facebook... or the CountDown clock??

Years later no-one is gonna care if anyone looks at this group....

This is just a theory..... And a conclusion I believe I can reach based on my knowledge of old smart phones...

I may not have got the exact answer... But it must be close....

There is NO-ONE  around who can gain access to this facebook page... none of the ADMIN ....MEMBERS or PREVIEWERS... It no-longer appears in their timeline therefore I believe that they cannot gain access anymore...(imo) That is possibly why it is still there to this day.... It's like breadcrumbs...

It has sent me crazy trying to understand how everyones timeline for that year and 2011 of the relevant time is Missing... And all I believe it could be is a computer program that is on a timer..... for everyone around that event whom had viewed ..Joined... or was invited to the group....

maybe there was another computer program line....  that prevents certain people showing up as members...

But thats another idea.... !!

Is this how Dr Vincent Tabak upset the Police... Is this why they call him clever..... is this also why The Police pages of Joanna Yeates no-longer exist??

Because the /jo on the Avon and Somersets webpage was also on a timer???

As I say anything is possible....

Did Dr Vincent Tabak Interfer with The Avon and Somerset Polices Investigation??

Don't forget...

Anyone who's been invited and approved can preview the content for 28 days!!!!

So this I will say brings another question.... where did Clegg gets his information from if he didn't get anything from Dr Vincent Tabak... As Dr Vincent Tabak made a NO Comment to every question put to him apart from a question DCI Phil Jones put to him about a mobile phone??

`is all the on-line form filling that people did at the time also deleted?? Was that too on a timer??

If that was all on a timer also.... where is the evidence that proves who said what to the Police via social media???

Gone" puff" like magic in a Puff of Smoke....

There has to be someone whom has logged this entire facebook group and everything that was on the Avon and Somerset Polices website.... All the emails... All the form filling...

You see I believe this is why they couldn't produce the "Sobbing Girl"...  She contacted them via social media (imo) and she used emoji's to show that she was sobbing.... Therefore anything that was on the website of The Avon and Somerset Police disappeared... Along with any statements made by anyone else.... via this method...(imo)

So have we a Eureka Moment!!

One last thing.... Maybe Dr Vincent Tabak admitted to killing Joanna Yeates on his facebook... It is possible... I don't know... But if that was on a timer ... then that would have vamooshed also..... Or maybe Dr Vincent Tabak put a scenario forward of how Joanna Yeates came to her demise on his facebook timeline....... And this is where we get

Dr Vincent Tabak's explanation of how he killed Joanna Yeates.....  All he did was make up a scenario... like The Yeates had asked so many people to do....

That is why I believe Dr Vincent Tabak could not answer over 80 questions put to him..... !!!! That is why he has NO KNOWLEDGE of this crime....

Maybe his apology is for messing with the facebook... preventing the real killer from being exposed! (imo)

Maybe the media... The Lawyers etc...  couldn't cross reference with the social media because it was on a timer.... And the minute they interacted with this... The countdown was on....

And that I believe is why we just get a rehash of all the information posted at the time.... because that was the only information available to the media....


Just a theory....  but I believe it explains a lot....!!


Offline Nine

Re: A Case built on Social media?
« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2018, 12:32:01 PM »
Just to add... whoever set up The Original Facebook forum ... must have been aware of this.... (imo)

That is I believe one of the reasons that it all gets transferred over to being the group..

"Joanna Yeates Discussion of the Case..."  So I believe it is that group and that  forum which is the key to this case... It holds within it... every topic and every post that was made.... some of these posts on "The Journal have been deleted"... But I believe there is a reason of that.....


I have NO IDEA who set The Facebook Forum up.... or transferred it to a group... I was not a part of it....

i was just a member when it was a forum.... and then changed to a group.... And if anyone believes in destiny or coincidence... How strange I had deleted my facebook account and then never viewed the Missing group when the countdown was on...... And when I re-rejoined the Discussion group i had an idea of what I had been looking for ... and the names of the people I remembered....

Maybe that is why I can view it now....

Coincidence or destiny??  No idea....


I therefore wonder what information on that Missing group also disappeared when the likes of me could start viewing it..... Were some of those messages on a timer also??

Is this also the reason that No-one appears to have any evidence relating to what was said on social media at the time....

Just a thought....


Offline Nine

Re: A Case built on Social media?
« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2018, 01:27:51 PM »
This is why they cannot produce the witness's in court... (imo)... They filled their statement in  on-line....

You see.... Dr Vincent Tabak may not have anything whatsoever to do with this case, to be honest... apart fronm getting sentenced for the murder....

There was a comment on the Journal about someone looking at Dr Vincent Tabak's facebook page... But it couldn't have been him because, the date he had joined was later....

Now consider this...

If someone was trying to implicate Dr Vincent Tabak in this Murder.... All they would need to do is set up a relevant facebook name around the time.... Add pictures and friends with similar names... even add a confession...

It doesn't mean that the ID was Dr Vincent Tabak.... It could quite easily be someone who was pretending to be Dr Vincent Tabak.... With images taken from facebook... say from Tanja's page or friends of theirs pages.....

Then you have a basic story or should I say scenario, of how Joanna Yeates came to her demise..... based upon someone who created Dr Vincent Tabak's facebook page.....

So there are NO bread crumbs for Dr Vincent Tabak to follow.... Everything is timed... everything is deleted...  nothing at all available for Dr Vincent Tabak to use in his defence... because it has evoporated into thin air....

Nothing he can refer back to because he is incarcerated.....

Now that begs the question... Is this why he doesn't get bail???

Because if he had bail maybe he could get some screen shots of the account and what it actually stated.....  Lets not forget I believe that their is a countdown on these accounts and posts....

So did all of Dr Vincent Tabak's evidence disappear?? Was he not able to prove what he had said on social media???

Because sure as eggs is eggs.... Everything that Dr Vincent Tabak had ever said on social media should have been produced at trial..... And it is not......

Everything that he wrote, should be available to view for the jury.... But it is NOT....

So if Dr Vincent Tabak is so clever he set up all of this social media and Countdowns..... Then why didn't he countdown his computer searches????

Why didn't they erase themselves??

Or did they??

Is this why they cannot produce the computers at trial???  maybe maybe not.....

Because I believe that anyone with the ability to read computer code, and doing a search , there would have been a script/code that details, the event of the Countdown and when "The Virus" or whatever we should call it would kick in...

There would be a trail as to which server it was sent from... A trail as to when the clock started ticking....

And if that was the case.... That evidence of what Dr Vincent Tabak did would have been brought to trial.... That evidence would prove what he had done to all of the social media... And it is that evidence that should be on the "RealKiller/Killers" computer and not Dr Vincent Tabak I believe....


So find the code... find the killer.... (imo)!

If Dr Vincent Tabak had the ability to hide what he had written... then a computer expert would be able to process Dr Vincent Tabak's computers to prove this is what he did......

But if Dr Vincent Tabak wasn't actually aware of what was happening around him at the time... then he would not know someone may have been pretending to be him on social media.....

Remember he said that when the DNA sample was taken in Holland on the 31st December 2010... He knew that it wouldn't be long before he was found out.....

So why not get rid of the evidence.... why not get rid of his hard-drive??  Because his hard-drive should prove that he wrote the script that he said all those things on social media.... And it is these supposed hard-drives of Dr Vincent Tabak that had the apparent incriminating evidence against him....

Well did they???

I don't believe so at this point.... A computer genius should be be giant leaps a head of the Police....  Knowing to get rid of the evidence straight away... "DUMP THE HARD DRIVE!!

So i will ask again... Who's searches are they???

Because a man of Dr Vincent Tabak's computer knowledge ,would surely have disposed of they only evidence that connected him to this case.....

Or are the searches his???

Did he not use social media???

Did he not ever visit the "Missing" facebook page???

And every search is based on what he was looking for ...Ie weather... or Longwood Lane to attend a party.... and everything else was what was available for anyone whom at the time was following this case on-line via the media.......

And his entire internet history is based upon innocent searches that make it look like Dr Vincent Tabak was apparently one step of the Investigation....

Well if he was ...as I have said.... he would have got rid of the evidence in Holland... seeing as he knew that the Apparent DNA sample would connect him to Joanna Yeates.... seeing as he is a computer genius...

So someone was keeping one step of the Investigation... If my theory of a "countdown" on the social media is correct!!

But Until someone proves other wise to me... I still believe Dr Vincent Tabak to be Innocent of killing Joanna Yeates....


And it is the other computer programmer that has the evidence on their computer... showing when everything was to be purged... (imo) Keeping one step ahead of the Investigation....

As I say.. Dr Vincent Tabak may not even exist.... and that is why we do not see him attending court or getting bail....  He is possibly a figment of a computer programmers imagination....

And therefore I have been chasing a ghost.....  And the trial took place for a different purpose.... But I do not know why??

So many images on the internet have been photoshopped... why then can't we believe that all the images of Dr Vincent Tabak were photoshopped too...

So is there an Innocent Foreign nation languishing in a prison in this country.... Or does he not exist??

Was he randomly selected from many many facebook profiles??  And a patsy was then available to take the fall...

No-one is apparently hurt... If Dr Vincent Tabak isn't real....  Now we need to ask..... who is the real killer of Joanna Yeates???

Or was this about something else all together???



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Re: A Case built on Social media?
« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2018, 05:24:11 PM »
Maybe this is why "Blackberry" is important.... they had their own messaging service on there and I am sure anyone whith Developers Tools could make any message purge if the participants clicked on a link....

But me I wasn't a fan of Blackberry, I was a Palm Handspring/Treo fan....  an OS that at that time didn't have any virus to purge the contents....

But with Blackberry OS it had a "messenger app" and everyone who had blackberry could join groups etc... They could do this for free.... As part of the uniqueness of Blackberry... This is probably why kids caught onto it.... messaging their friends in groups for free...

So I am surmising... that maybe the 15,00 subscribers could have been on a Blackberry messenger app.... And anyone of any interest from that group could therefore click any link to anything relevant about Joanna Yeates....

Maybe through the blackberry messenger app there was a  link for facebook ?? Or twitter or what ever....  But I am reasonably sure that this is possibly how it was done....

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So anyone who had developer tools could actually create an app through Blackberry and it would literally have a timer on it for when it expired....  There was a lot of open source development back then.... Not sure when Apple allowed developers to start making their own apps... Do not believe it happened when the first iphone was out... Have a vague recollection of talk on the palm site hoping apple would fail as it originally developed it's own software... I think If I remember correctly  Donna Dubinski, moved from Palm/Treo and was a then CEO at apple....

I won't bore you with the details's of palms history.....

So it is possible that the origin of everything comes from a Blackberry phone.... It could come from Joanna Yeates phone... I do not know...  But as i have tried to explain.... The purging of everyones facebook etc, could be initially from an app based on a Blackberry device, that could possibly be sent in an email... Or as a member of a group....

There were many many professionals back then using Blackberry, because of it's email capabilities.... and  it's very own messenger group... It was also available on contract... where it took a bit of time to be able to get a Palm OS phone on contract, as The OS wasn't popular and you needed to buy one outright for about £600, back then...

But not Blackberry... they were conquering the market at that time....

Maybe this is why we see a Blackberry device depicted in the documentary "Countdown to Murder"...  and maybe this murder was planned... I don't know....

All I can say is that the information still has to be somewhere.... There has to be a record of it....  Whether it is on someone computer or Blackberry.... I believe they possibly had an emulator on their computer, to develop Blackberry apps... So even a purge of that computer would show activity relating to that time...

I hope I've explain this correctly for people to understand.... I am not the most articulate... But I know a Palm OS when I see one and I know that back in the day for me... Blackberry was always it's rival.....

If I am correct about this... The evidence that they apparently had on Dr Vincent Tabak was circumstantial at best, because I believe if it had been him and all his many many computers... they could have proved how he did it....

But the purging of anyone involved with BBM and links and groups etc... He would control if it had been him... therefore leaving a trial to follow in his laptops etc and work computers....

But...  you (imo) would probably need to know the origin of the original message as I have said before.... And the "Creator"... Is the person who has the information on their laptop/computer etc...

Anyone can pretend to be Dr Vincent Tabak.... But not anyone can pretend to be the "Creator"... As it is The "Creator" who would have the script on their laptop/computer to prove when the "Countdown " started....

And a genuine Computer expert would have been called to give testimony at the trial of Dr Vincent Tabak (imo)... Instead of a slideshow of some apparent searches that had been performed....


When people before have asked for FOI about any statements that Dr Vincent Tabak may or May not have made, remember, that if his statements were computer based, they would be purged...

So I believe if anyone really gives a tosh about this conviction ... what they need to ask for is information from "The Creator" or maybe Joanna Yeates phone... I am not sure... but any clever lawyer out there should be able to know what they need to ask for... know that they know what they may be looking for......

If the information had not been divulged to council, then council would not know what to ask for... especially if council wasn't aware or really understood about the time trials certain apps had back then....

Of course this is theory... A scenario ... But it is a possibility...(imo)


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Re: A Case built on Social media?
« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2018, 05:39:46 PM »
There was talk of a "Creator" on The Missing Forum... I hadn't realised it's significance... They had a problem at one point controlling this group...  But to support my theory here goes.....

"CREATOR"...Now this rang a bell.... I don't think Jacquie Yeates is The Creator even though she says so....

Rebecca Scott describes the creator  as a HE...

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Ill repeat that someone has been able to remove all family as admin, (including me, the creator) and obviously whoever is admin at the moment will not own up. I would appreciate that no one else comment on the group needing to be closed. For the last 3 days I, and others have been trying to delete it, but without any priveleges, we cannot find a way to yet. Stop assuming that we are being disrespectful please, and read posts that have been made before you make assumptions.
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27 December 2010
to all members, this is a pm just received from jacquie, to make things easier for them i have deleted admin members except for 5 people.

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hi want to thank you a lot for the time you have spent helping monitor this group, and please pass on to whoever you have included to help. obviously we have not been able to look at the group over the last couple of days as we were trying to deal with everything. it's really kind of you, and gre...
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Jacquie Yeates just read it. dont understand as i am the creator of this yet where it says "privacy: open" there is no option anywhere on the page to change it.
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I love mel's idea of a parade through the streets of bristol, with everyone wearing t-shirts! maybe when all the xmas sales kick off? and getting an add on facebook! I'm sure the creator will love to use his creation to help our appeal!
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Is this the reason Rebecca Scott attended trial.... She knew who the creator was!! I don't know... It's just a thought...


Offline Nine

Re: A Case built on Social media?
« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2018, 05:58:17 PM »
It is possible to run more than one OS (Operating System) on one phone.... You just need emulators for it...

I did succumb to Blackberry years later.... But it was "The Blackberry Passport..."( treo stopped existing with i's old palm OS)... It had two OS's running on it/ built in... one being the original Blackberry OS... The other part android.... But being me I need to add another OS to my phone..

So I found an app that had been written that allowed me to also run Palm OS on this Blackberry Passport....

So If I can do these  few tricks and I am not a computer programmer or genius in any shape or form... Just think what someone who has this knowledge could actually do with any program and any phone and any computer OS.....


Just a thought.... An idea....