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Offline Faithlilly

Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2018, 09:45:42 PM »
I am saying that you have started a thread for which you are incapable of providing a cite.  Which by my reckoning makes it your opinion and nothing at all to do with the facts this forum expects and demands.

I’m not sure why you think I haven’t provided a cite. It is obvious that at least from the beginning of August the McCanns were being investigated so when the statement quoted was made OS knew that.
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Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent the murderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
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Online Davel

Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2018, 09:47:25 PM »
I’m not sure why you think I haven’t provided a cite. It is obvious that at least from the beginning of August that the McCanns were being investigated so when the statement quoted was made OS knew that.

its also obvious the investigation had problems distinguishing their A from their E
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Offline Faithlilly

Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2018, 09:49:27 PM »
its also obvious the investigation had problems distinguishing their A from their E

Im not discussing the competence of the investigation but whether at one point the McCanns were being investigated but the official spokesperson denied they were suspects.
Moral Guilt
Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent the murderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
Robert Anderson

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2018, 09:59:31 PM »
That is a major victory then IMO.


Or not as the case maybe.
"This week the couple, from Rothley, Leics, withdrew their defamation action after being advised that the newspaper had a strong defence under Portuguese law.

It could argue the story was published in good faith because senior police officers did at the time believe the McCanns may have been implicated in the case."


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/6057918/McCanns-drop-libel-case-against-Portuguese-newspaper.html


« Last Edit: July 03, 2018, 11:32:42 PM by John »
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Offline Faithlilly

Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2018, 10:02:16 PM »

Or not as the case maybe.
"This week the couple, from Rothley, Leics, withdrew their defamation action after being advised that the newspaper had a strong defence under Portuguese law.

It could argue the story was published in good faith because senior police officers did at the time believe the McCanns may have been implicated in the case."


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/6057918/McCanns-drop-libel-case-against-Portuguese-newspaper.html

Yes, it was true.
« Last Edit: July 03, 2018, 11:33:51 PM by John »
Moral Guilt
Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent the murderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
Robert Anderson

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Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2018, 10:18:01 PM »
Yes, it was true.
Have you read the, article you have quoted..
The claim was dropped for a number of reasons... Firstly the paper went bust
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Offline Faithlilly

Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2018, 10:21:34 PM »
Have you read the, article you have quoted..
The claim was dropped for a number of reasons... Firstly the paper went bust

But the McCanns were under suspicion.
Moral Guilt
Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent the murderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
Robert Anderson

Online Davel

Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2018, 10:29:15 PM »
But the McCanns were under suspicion.
I'm not allowed to answer
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2018, 10:31:10 PM »
Have you read the, article you have quoted..
The claim was dropped for a number of reasons... Firstly the paper went bust

They could have pursued the author.
What they did according to the article was:
 "A source close to the couple confirmed that the defamation action against the newspaper and two journalists had been dropped.

The source said the McCanns want to concentrate instead on their £1 million case against Goncalo Amaral, the former head of the Madeleine investigation".


Well that didn't pan out too well did it?
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Offline Faithlilly

Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2018, 10:33:15 PM »
I'm not allowed to answer

Not sure what you’d say. It is true.
Moral Guilt
Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent the murderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
Robert Anderson

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2018, 10:39:52 PM »
Not sure what you’d say. It is true.
If the McCanns are truly the only suspects in this case, why hasn’t the case been shelved again due to lack of evidence?

Offline Robittybob1

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Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2018, 10:42:03 PM »

Or not as the case maybe.
"This week the couple, from Rothley, Leics, withdrew their defamation action after being advised that the newspaper had a strong defence under Portuguese law".

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/6057918/McCanns-drop-libel-case-against-Portuguese-newspaper.html
That article is 2 years later.  The paper has still gone bust and they are looking to sue Amaral at that stage.
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Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2018, 10:47:48 PM »
But the McCanns were under suspicion.
One part of the PJ informing the paper that the McCanns were under suspicion ( the reason for the strong defence) and the Inspector Olegario de Sousa making a claim the McCanns were not suspects.  Two answers to the one issue.  One must be an error.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2018, 11:03:01 PM »
I am saying that you have started a thread for which you are incapable of providing a cite.  Which by my reckoning makes it your opinion and nothing at all to do with the facts this forum expects and demands.

Are you seriously trying to claim they were not suspects in August 2007 and Sousa didn't know about it?

Why do you think they took their hire car away in August and returned it missing a part?

Why did they take their clothes away to examine?

Why do you think they were told, 'Next time we meet it will be across the table'?
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Faithlilly

Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2018, 11:07:44 PM »
Are you seriously trying to claim they were not suspects in August 2007 and Sousa didn't know about it?

Why do you think they took their hire car away in August and returned it missing a part?

Why did they take their clothes away to examine?

Why do you think they were told, 'Next time we meet it will be across the table'?

Her posts puzzled me too.
Moral Guilt
Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent the murderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
Robert Anderson