Prof Knight's Trial Testimony Re Marks to NB's back.

[APRIL]

It is surprising that some people don't believe Bamber burnt Nevill's back. Thought there was universal agreement, espescially as Bamber lifted Nevill onto the coal scuttle.

Bamber himself confirmed the marks were rifle burns. Not war wounds or Nevill having a mysterious farming accident. How ? Well Bamber's whole 2012 CCRC application was based on this fact !

I'm not so much disputing that they were burns, as disputing that Jeremy was necessarily responsible for putting them there. I also think it's possible that Nevill toppled forwards, as he lost consciousness/died, ending up close to the coal scuttle, possibly being wedged there by Jeremy, with a chair. Unless you are totally convinced that Jeremy was telling the truth about the marks being rifle burns -and I have my doubts- why, when the gun is gthat close to the skin, did he simply not fire it again? Are you perhaps suggesting that Jeremy was hoping he was still alive because he wanted to inflict further pain?

[puglove]

It was a sold fuel Aga so as it was the middle of summer it was probably unlit imo.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=345.msg7236#msg7236

Except.....June was due to cook breakfasts for the farmworkers, and Agas of that era were absolute sods to relight, so I would guess that it was on. BUT certainly not related to the lesions on Nevill's back.

[puglove]

Except.....June was due to cook breakfasts for the farmworkers, and Agas of that era were absolute sods to relight, so I would guess that it was on. BUT certainly not related to the lesions on Nevill's back.

Ooh er. I see Tesko's gone doolally tap. Again.

 

[Myster]

Except.....June was due to cook breakfasts for the farmworkers, and Agas of that era were absolute sods to relight, so I would guess that it was on. BUT certainly not related to the lesions on Nevill's back.

According to CAL: "In the heart of the home the Aga was on a low light, and the table had been set for breakfast".

If wrong and it was unlit, I guess June could have used the "Belling"? mini oven and double hob next to the kitchen sink.

[puglove]

According to CAL: "In the heart of the home the Aga was on a low light, and the table had been set for breakfast".

If wrong and it was unlit, I guess June could have used the "Belling"? mini oven and double hob next to the kitchen sink.

Could be! We'll never know, and it doesn't change anything. Bamber's sprouts will never be cooked on an Aga again, that's for sure. They'll be mushed to old bollox by Bill McScrote (trustee) this year. And for many years to come.

 

[Myster]

Could be! We'll never know, and it doesn't change anything. Bamber's sprouts will never be cooked on an Aga again, that's for sure. They'll be mushed to old bollox by Bill McScrote (trustee) this year. And for many years to come.

 

Unless it's on Trudi's spiffing new AGA at the welcome home party, in the... errrm, very near future. 

[Myster]

Ooh er. I see Tesko's gone doolally tap. Again.

 

That's what happens when you become a born-again heathen - Unhallelujah!

[puglove]

That's what happens when you become a born-again heathen - Unhallelujah!

Ugh. God-awful little man. I thought that he was a flat-earther? Does that involve God or not? I've forgotten.

Blimey, I feel sorry for Misty, Myster.

 



 

[puglove]

Ugh. God-awful little man. I thought that he was a flat-earther? Does that involve God or not? I've forgotten.

Blimey, I feel sorry for Misty, Myster.

 



 

If I could I'd schlep over to Barnsley, nick Misty, give him a lovely chicken dinner, let him have a gallop about, then cuddle him down on a fluffy fleece with some ancient, kindly (bit smelly) pugs and he'd never have to be embarrassed or sniff an imaginary tumour again.     

#sweetcollielife

[puglove]

Unless it's on Trudi's spiffing new AGA at the welcome home party, in the... errrm, very near future. 

Ho ho!!

I believe that Troods is a big fan of the BBQ, if pictures of her squoze into her hubby's apron and waving some tongs about are anything to go by.

As long as funds are being sensibly spent, that's all I care about.     


#niceneworangery.

[Harry]

Have you ever tried to balance yourself on the flimsy edge of a spindle back chair with your head in a coal scuttle or its equivalent?

Rigor was consistent with the position NB was found in, so I doubt repositioning had anything to do with the police. If he was moved at all, could be that JB was responsible, so that he could get to the downstairs office and gun cupboard to hide the moderator, if NB's body was blocking the door.

Rigor mortis takes more than a few minutes to reach an advanced stage. It would take several hours for Nevill's body to become stiff enough to remain in the position the police say they found it in. That consideration basically rules out the possibility that he actually died with his head in the coal bucket, or that Bamber put it in that position.

Bamber is supposed to have left only a few minutes after committing the murders. He would have been outside the farm with the police by the time Nevill's body reached an advanced state of rigor.

There can be no doubt, therefore, that Nevill's body was put in that position by the police. What I think probably happened to Nevill is that as he lost consciousness he ended up sitting on a chair backwards with his his head and arms hanging over the back. The photograph showing an outline is misleading. Nevill's arms are hanging down straight in the original photo which is consistent with the position I have described.

When the police broke in they must have accidentally knocked over the chair on which his body was slumped and this caused pooled blood to start to spill from his wounds as his body toppled over. So the cops just thought they would put his head in the coal bucket to catch the blood.

When a stiff body is repositioned by someone several hours after death, it would be pretty obvious to an expert whose job it is to figure out that kind of thing.

You are right that it is only rigor mortis which prevents the body from falling down. But that also means it must have already been in that condition when it was first put there.

[Harry]

Accidentally pressed quote instead of modify. I can't see a delete button

[Caroline]

Rigor mortis takes more than a few minutes to reach an advanced stage. It would take several hours for Nevill's body to become stiff enough to remain in the position the police say they found it in. That consideration basically rules out the possibility that he actually died with his head in the coal bucket, or that Bamber put it in that position.

Bamber is supposed to have left only a few minutes after committing the murders. He would have been outside the farm with the police by the time Nevill's body reached an advanced state of rigor.

There can be no doubt, therefore, that Nevill's body was put in that position by the police. What I think probably happened to Nevill is that as he lost consciousness he ended up sitting on a chair backwards with his his head and arms hanging over the back. The photograph showing an outline is misleading. Nevill's arms are hanging down straight in the original photo which is consistent with the position I have described.

When the police broke in they must have accidentally knocked over the chair on which his body was slumped and this caused pooled blood to start to spill from his wounds as his body toppled over. So the cops just thought they would put his head in the coal bucket to catch the blood.

When a stiff body is repositioned by someone several hours after death, it would be pretty obvious to an expert whose job it is to figure out that kind of thing.

You are right that it is only rigor mortis which prevents the body from falling down. But that also means it must have already been in that condition when it was first put there.

There can be no doubt that the police were responsible for Nevil's body left in that position? Really? No one said that Nevil was in a state of rigor when Bamber left WHF, I'm not sure why you think he could only have been placed in that position if he were in a state of rigor mortis. I have seen a pretty good picture of Nevil's body and his left side is supported by the wall. The police could not have pushed him into that position when they broke down the door because the door is set back from the aga and there was a chair behind Nevil. He wasn't directly in front of the door as some believe!

[adam]

Ooh er. I see Tesko's gone doolally tap. Again.

 

At least Mike hasn't gone on one of his abusive rants.

The abuse on the Blue forum has taken different forms since I joined. It is a pity that abuse is allowed on that forum.

Someone like JackieD will go on the attack & be abusive with her first post. While Nugs & Roch will only get abusive if posters don't agree with their crazy theories.

As mentioned by other posters, Lookout is very abusive, which is why the moderator is constantly saying 'I am locking this thread while I remove some posts'. Lookout is fiercely protected & will never have to change.

Former posters Grahame & Luminous Wanderer were very abusive. Grahame calling posters names. No one responded to Luminous Wanderer's long posts, except Steve,  who was then abused. He then got abusive with me when I did actually respond to his 'Sheila scenario' and instantly retreated to the safe haven of 'Injustice Anywhere'.

Sammy wasn't abusive but did threaten posters.

The most innovative abuser is David who monitors the Blue Forum 24/7 waiting for a guilter to post sourced evidence. He will then use images, diagrams, banners, 'Gish gash', 5 year old posts & straight forward typing to abuse.

Of course there is sourced evidence on a man who has been in prison for 33 years. David should take it like a man, not a boy.

David does not post on Red as he is not allowed to do any of this. I did suggest to the moderators on Blue that abusive images, banners & diagrams should not be allowed, but eventually got a negative response.

Amazingly none of the above posters have been banned as far as I know. Mike can't ban himself but did ban Scipio who used to disagree with him in Scipio's trademark 'no nonsense' way.

My posts were never abusive or threatening. I did try to out debate posters, which is normal & may have used sarcasim with others crazy theories. There is nothing in the Blue forum rules that says this is not allowed. However one moderator is fiercely protective of the supporters, women, Nugs, elderly posters & former moderators (virtually everyone)  & got really upset with my posts. Other posters saying I was being unfairly treated. I did complain but was always told a fellow moderator will always be supported.  So prefer to post on this forum.

[Holly Goodhead]

If I could I'd schlep over to Barnsley, nick Misty, give him a lovely chicken dinner, let him have a gallop about, then cuddle him down on a fluffy fleece with some ancient, kindly (bit smelly) pugs and he'd never have to be embarrassed or sniff an imaginary tumour again.     

#sweetcollielife

I like chicken dinner, galloping about and cuddling down on fluffy fleeces minus pugs.  Do you do B&B?

I was out walking yesterday and a woman approached from behind with 2 small pugs on leads making the most God awful sound.  I think they were thirsty.  I was petrified and said I'll let you pass I'm a bit frightened of dogs.  Then I hung back until they were gone.  I'm usually a bit braver but I was wearing shorts and flip flops and imagined them unleashed and taking out my ankles!