Any news on JB's 2025 CCRC application?

[Joe Blogs]

Is this it? Is this the sum total of your theory?
You're relying on one of the more insignificant and obscure pieces of evidence to base your case upon.
You still haven't explained how Sheila battered Nevill. You stated that you don't know. In fact you've stated 'I don't know, none of us know, we weren't there' to anything that you can't even begin to explain.

Don't you see, you have your whimsical aga theory, whereas there's about 20 other aspects you dare not touch, because you can't come up with anything remotely rational.

For example, explain Sheila's appearance - no cuts, abrasions, bruises to hands or forearms, in fact none at all.
Her nails were in tact (this alone would probably be enough to dismiss a case against a live accused) having shot 25 times and reloaded multiple times. No gunshot residue on her hands / forearms which is an impossibility having fired 25 times. Clean nighty.
I know you say there was no 'almighty struggle',  but there obviously was a struggle when Nevill incurred life-threatening injuries. Again, illogical to the point of absurd.
If you flip this on its head for a second, if you have the required cognition, if Sheila was alive, no court in the land would convict her given the described above. It wouldn't get to court, it wouldn't pass the simplest of tests. That's not reasonable doubt, it's absolutely no doubt.

You need to park your aga theory and just explain the above, then we can talk agas, pigskins and burns.

But you cant flip it on its head, General, if Sheila was found alive it would mean she was the killer, wouldn't it?
Anyway, I think the Aga burn evidence is all the sum total you need to free Bamber! The burns are akin to fingerprints tying Nevill to the cooker, and this evidence undoubtably points to a guilty Sheila no matter what condition she was found in. Sheila had plenty of time to wash and change anyway, and all the time in the world to re-load between victims.
So!! Can we talk Agas, pigskins and burns, General? Lets have your views, sir!
 

[Vertigo Swirl]

But you cant flip it on its head, General, if Sheila was found alive it would mean she was the killer, wouldn't it?
Anyway, I think the Aga burn evidence is all the sum total you need to free Bamber! The burns are akin to fingerprints tying Nevill to the cooker, and this evidence undoubtably points to a guilty Sheila no matter what condition she was found in. Sheila had plenty of time to wash and change anyway, and all the time in the world to re-load between victims.
So!! Can we talk Agas, pigskins and burns, General? Lets have your views, sir!

Why does a suicidal maniac wash and change before blowing their brains out and getting all messy again?  Doesn’t make sense but in your fantasy that’s what you have to say happened even though there is no evidence of it.  The burns are not akin to fingerprints as no one can say categorically what caused the marks on Nevill’s back or when and are therefore open to interpretation.  Fingerprints you can’t argue with.

[APRIL]

But you cant flip it on its head, General, if Sheila was found alive it would mean she was the killer, wouldn't it?
Anyway, I think the Aga burn evidence is all the sum total you need to free Bamber! The burns are akin to fingerprints tying Nevill to the cooker, and this evidence undoubtably points to a guilty Sheila no matter what condition she was found in. Sheila had plenty of time to wash and change anyway, and all the time in the world to re-load between victims.
So!! Can we talk Agas, pigskins and burns, General? Lets have your views, sir!

So all this hangs on Sheila being found alive, does it? I guess it's up to someone to prove such. I wonder what she did with her bloodied clothes? I very much doubt they amounted to only one/two pairs of knickers, and I don't recall any being found.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Did she have two baths and changes of clothes that nightJoe Bloggs?  You had her upstairs cleaning herself up after killing her mother and children, but then she went downstairs and according to you killed Nevill, but her feet showed no traces of the spilt sugar that was found in the kitchen, and her hands no gunshot residue so did she have another bath before killing herself? Actually for the latter she would have needed a bath after she killed herself so maybe that’s what happened.

[Joe Blogs]

Did she have two baths and changes of clothes that nightJoe Bloggs?  You had her upstairs cleaning herself up after killing her mother and children, but then she went downstairs and according to you killed Nevill, but her feet showed no traces of the spilt sugar that was found in the kitchen, and her hands no gunshot residue so did she have another bath before killing herself? Actually for the latter she would have needed a bath after she killed herself so maybe that’s what happened.

It wasn't gunshot residue, broken nails nor lack of blood on Sheila's feet that convicted Bamber, Vertigo, the jury were mainly interested about whose blood was in the silencer and whether or not the Boutflours would gain if JB was found guilty! Indeed there was no hullabaloo in the first month of the investigation about such issues from Vaneziz nor the ballistics people, and the coroner had no problem in concluding suicide either!
All that was concluded in court was that the killer would have been expected to have gunshot residue on their person after firing 25 shots and handling the bullets, thats all! Besides, the hand swabs were rejected anyway, remember.
No, there was no 'strong' circumstantial evidence against Bamber, and the Aga evidence beats it all!
You see, discussing any case is like playing cards, Vertigo! Whatever cards you play in the Bamber case regarding blood on feet, gunshot residue or whatever the Aga evidence takes the trick, it is the 'TOP TRUMP' bar none!!
And thats that, children!!

[Joe Blogs]

Why does a suicidal maniac wash and change before blowing their brains out and getting all messy again?  Doesn’t make sense but in your fantasy that’s what you have to say happened even though there is no evidence of it.  The burns are not akin to fingerprints as no one can say categorically what caused the marks on Nevill’s back or when and are therefore open to interpretation.  Fingerprints you can’t argue with.

The behaviour of a person with mental issues is wildly unpredictable, leading to some being locked up for their own good and the safety of others, Vertigo!
What Sheila got up to on the night of the murders may have been bizzare to say the least!

[Vertigo Swirl]

It wasn't gunshot residue, broken nails nor lack of blood on Sheila's feet that convicted Bamber, Vertigo, the jury were mainly interested about whose blood was in the silencer and whether or not the Boutflours would gain if JB was found guilty! Indeed there was no hullabaloo in the first month of the investigation about such issues from Vaneziz nor the ballistics people, and the coroner had no problem in concluding suicide either!
All that was concluded in court was that the killer would have been expected to have gunshot residue on their person after firing 25 shots and handling the bullets, thats all! Besides, the hand swabs were rejected anyway, remember.
No, there was no 'strong' circumstantial evidence against Bamber, and the Aga evidence beats it all!
You see, discussing any case is like playing cards, Vertigo! Whatever cards you play in the Bamber case regarding blood on feet, gunshot residue or whatever the Aga evidence takes the trick, it is the 'TOP TRUMP' bar none!!
And thats that, children!!

Strange it’s taken so many years for this particular card to move all the way to the top of the deck but if you think it’s going to spring JB from jail I think you’re going to be very disappointed.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The behaviour of a person with mental issues is wildly unpredictable, leading to some being locked up for their own good and the safety of others, Vertigo!
What Sheila got up to on the night of the murders may have been bizzare to say the least!

Were her clothes tested for Nevill’s blood?

[APRIL]

Were her clothes tested for Nevill’s blood?

If, as suggested, she showered and changed, there must have been some very bloodied clothes laying around. It's been suggested that JB pushed his bloodied clothes into the Aga -not that there would have been room and the Aga may not even have been on- but  I suppose Sheila might have washed hers?...............but hang on, there were no clothes found in the washing machine, were there? Just two pairs of bloodied knickers in a pail, and the children's play clothes in another.

[Joe Blogs]

Were her clothes tested for Nevill’s blood?

Yes as far as I know, Vertigo, but all clothing was conveniently destroyed with other exhibits in 1996 before they could be DNA tested.

[Joe Blogs]

If, as suggested, she showered and changed, there must have been some very bloodied clothes laying around. It's been suggested that JB pushed his bloodied clothes into the Aga -not that there would have been room and the Aga may not even have been on- but  I suppose Sheila might have washed hers?...............but hang on, there were no clothes found in the washing machine, were there? Just two pairs of bloodied knickers in a pail, and the children's play clothes in another.

We only have Ann Eatons word as to what was in the pails, April, and just like the silencer they were found after the Whitehouse was vacated by the police.
I have always been suspicious of this! Wonder what the boys were doing to dirty their clothing to such an extent that they needed soaking over night?

[Joe Blogs]

Strange it’s taken so many years for this particular card to move all the way to the top of the deck but if you think it’s going to spring JB from jail I think you’re going to be very disappointed.

Well I think most people including JB thought the marks were made by the barrel of the rifle, that is why he got Philip Boyce to carry out tests about ten years ago to prove the marks couldn't be made with the silencer attached.

[APRIL]

We only have Ann Eatons word as to what was in the pails, April, and just like the silencer they were found after the Whitehouse was vacated by the police.
I have always been suspicious of this! Wonder what the boys were doing to dirty their clothing to such an extent that they needed soaking over night?

At a guess, as they were due to go home the following day, from where they were going on holiday with their father, I'd say Sheila may have been trying to get ahead with their washing? You must have a thoroughly nasty mind to be suspicious of  why they were soaking. Children can get their clothes dirty without trying, ie food spilled down the front, and in the case of twins as close as D and N, probably at exactly the same time!

[Caroline]

The Aga marks, Caroline, 'They' said he did!
If the marks took several hours to form as Philip Boyce claims, then JB had to wait in the Whitehouse until this happened, and then [somehow] get Nevill onto the chair/scuttle! Right?

Right - Snow cracked the case, let's all go home and leave Snow to turn out the light!

(Just wait till he's gone and sneak back in). 

[Caroline]

It wasn't gunshot residue, broken nails nor lack of blood on Sheila's feet that convicted Bamber, Vertigo, the jury were mainly interested about whose blood was in the silencer and whether or not the Boutflours would gain if JB was found guilty! Indeed there was no hullabaloo in the first month of the investigation about such issues from Vaneziz nor the ballistics people, and the coroner had no problem in concluding suicide either!
All that was concluded in court was that the killer would have been expected to have gunshot residue on their person after firing 25 shots and handling the bullets, thats all! Besides, the hand swabs were rejected anyway, remember.
No, there was no 'strong' circumstantial evidence against Bamber, and the Aga evidence beats it all!
You see, discussing any case is like playing cards, Vertigo! Whatever cards you play in the Bamber case regarding blood on feet, gunshot residue or whatever the Aga evidence takes the trick, it is the 'TOP TRUMP' bar none!!
And thats that, children!!

And you're the only one backing it, you'd get great odds on this because they likelihood of striking gold is next to zero - child!!