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Title: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: mrswah on March 28, 2020, 05:51:59 PM
It had to happen, IMO. Do you agree?

Should it have happened earlier?

Do you think the lockdown should be stricter? If so, in what way(s) ?

Do you think any of the rules are OTT?  Which ones, and why?

Is there anything that ought to be done, in your opinion, that is not being done?

Do you think people should be encouraged to "snitch" on their neighbours for breaking the rules?

Do you think the police should be spending their time enforcing them, and do you think this will work?


So, what do people think?  My immediate feelings are as follows: firstly, if Boris Johnson, Matt Hancock, Chris Whitty and Prince Charles come out of this relatively unscathed, I think many people will gain a false sense of security, and will be less inclined to comply with the lockdown rules.(Of course, I do hope that they all DO come out of it relatively unscathed).

 I am, and always have been, a law abider.   However, I'm a bit miffed that I now cannot walk my dog more than once a day (on quiet roads), while, at the same time, off licences are allowed to open, and the builders at the end of my road are certainly not obeying the social distancing rules.   Who is going to put more strain on our NHS, me, because I'm walking my dog (and not meeting anyone close up), or people who buy lots of booze, get p-------d, and might  cause accidents, or those who work close together and risk spreading the virus?

I am also aware that , for many people, home is not a good place to be, or a safe one. I think there will be an increase in the number of cases of mental health problems, suicide, divorce, and domestic abuse, as the result of people being compelled to remain at home 24/7. Not all homes are comfortable, and not all loved ones are loving. What will this mean for the NHS,  Social Services, and the police?

Your views?
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Brietta on March 28, 2020, 07:24:16 PM
It had to happen, IMO. Do you agree?

Should it have happened earlier?

Do you think the lockdown should be stricter? If so, in what way(s) ?

Do you think any of the rules are OTT?  Which ones, and why?

Is there anything that ought to be done, in your opinion, that is not being done?

Do you think people should be encouraged to "snitch" on their neighbours for breaking the rules?

Do you think the police should be spending their time enforcing them, and do you think this will work?


So, what do people think?  My immediate feelings are as follows: firstly, if Boris Johnson, Matt Hancock, Chris Whitty and Prince Charles come out of this relatively unscathed, I think many people will gain a false sense of security, and will be less inclined to comply with the lockdown rules.(Of course, I do hope that they all DO come out of it relatively unscathed).

 I am, and always have been, a law abider.   However, I'm a bit miffed that I now cannot walk my dog more than once a day (on quiet roads), while, at the same time, off licences are allowed to open, and the builders at the end of my road are certainly not obeying the social distancing rules.   Who is going to put more strain on our NHS, me, because I'm walking my dog (and not meeting anyone close up), or people who buy lots of booze, get p-------d, and might  cause accidents, or those who work close together and risk spreading the virus?

I am also aware that , for many people, home is not a good place to be, or a safe one. I think there will be an increase in the number of cases of mental health problems, suicide, divorce, and domestic abuse, as the result of people being compelled to remain at home 24/7. Not all homes are comfortable, and not all loved ones are loving. What will this mean for the NHS,  Social Services, and the police?

Your views?

I think it is too little too late and I am furious that there have been problems with the supply of protective clothing to front line NHS workers and criminal that they are only now having access to tests.

I know of a young woman working in a nursing home for the elderly where the patient she had been nursing who had all the symptoms of Covid-19 sadly died.
He was found not to have died from the virus just another common or garden chest infection but in the intervening period those who had been nursing him and who thought he might have had the virus were not tested and had to wait on tenterhooks.

Until we know who has the virus we will unnecessarily take valuable people into self isolation and people who are carrying without knowing it free to walk around spreading it.

We had plenty of warning.  I think we should have been far better prepared.
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Carana on March 30, 2020, 10:37:50 AM
I think we just have to grin and bear it.

Just think how much we'll appreciate freedoms that we've taken for granted once it's all over.

We're all lucky that we have access to the Internet - I know people who don't and who feel really, really isolated. I keep in regular phone contact with them, but that's about all I can do.
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: mrswah on March 30, 2020, 10:45:44 AM
I think we just have to grin and bear it.

Just think how much we'll appreciate freedoms that we've taken for granted once it's all over.

We're all lucky that we have access to the Internet - I know people who don't and who feel really, really isolated. I keep in regular phone contact with them, but that's about all I can do.

I agree. i'm also lucky to have a comfortable house and a garden---I dread to think what it must be like to be confined to a small flat with kids.
I also wonder about how people's attitudes will change after all this. Will be interesting.
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Eleanor on March 30, 2020, 01:04:29 PM

I have been self isolated for many a long year so not much difference for me.  The Internet and this Forum are my life line.

My French remains debatable, but it is a different way of life here.  Much more calm and peaceful.  And much more kind.

It will all pass.  Meanwhile The French People have an entirely different attitude to the elderly.

I have not much idea of Global Economics beyond two plus two makes four and if you spend more than your income then you could be in trouble.

France is a Republic and has always spent more than it earns on those less fortunate, although I have never expected France to support me personally.

My British State Pension is diabolical by French standards, but I am fine.  I manage.  None of this rubbish worries me at all, beyond the possibility of dying.  And there isn't too much that I can do about that.

So pull yourselves together, Folk and obey the rules inso far as they are.
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 30, 2020, 02:25:10 PM
I enjoy my own company, the bad news for me is that I am forced to be in self isolation for weeks and months with a man who I was rather hoping to divorce this year :-/
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Eleanor on March 30, 2020, 03:06:33 PM
I enjoy my own company, the bad news for me is that I am forced to be in self isolation for weeks and months with a man who I was rather hoping to divorce this year :-/

What?  You loved him to bits once upon a time.  What went wrong?

Not that I haven't done the same thing, but there you go.  I thought that I was the only stupid one.

Chimps Forever.
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on March 30, 2020, 03:20:31 PM
What?  You loved him to bits once upon a time.  What went wrong?

Not that I haven't done the same thing, but there you go.  I thought that I was the only stupid one.

Chimps Forever.
Oh itís the usual story, but the net net is we no longer want to live together and being forced to is a p.i.t.a.
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Eleanor on April 04, 2020, 10:08:34 AM
I enjoy my own company, the bad news for me is that I am forced to be in self isolation for weeks and months with a man who I was rather hoping to divorce this year :-/

Please don't kill him.  It wouldn't be worth it.
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Carana on April 04, 2020, 03:02:58 PM
One  ?8)@)-) dog...   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAdL6GdURvI
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Myster on April 04, 2020, 03:14:49 PM
One  ?8)@)-) dog...   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAdL6GdURvI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAdL6GdURvI)
Catherine Tate's mucky-mouthed mongrel?
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Carana on April 04, 2020, 03:52:15 PM
Catherine Tate's mucky-mouthed mongrel?

No idea. I found it hilarious.  @)(++(*
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on April 04, 2020, 07:07:21 PM
Please don't kill him.  It wouldn't be worth it.
Iíll try my hardest not to.
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Eleanor on April 04, 2020, 07:15:13 PM
Iíll try my hardest not to.

Unless he's well insured of course.  In which case make it look like an accident.
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on April 04, 2020, 07:18:59 PM
Unless he's well insured of course.  In which case make it look like an accident.
He was up a ladder on the conservatory roof this afternoon...I missed my chance.
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 04, 2020, 07:26:28 PM
Tbh I'm quite enjoying it.  It reminds me somewhat of yesteryear when everything was quiter and simpler.

No more dilemmas in Costa Coffee about all the ridiculous permutations of coffees that exist.  To my mind this whole coffee thing was evident that something was amiss.

I've been doing lots of gardening and DIY.  If lock down goes on I'll look to do some volunteering. 
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Robittybob1 on April 04, 2020, 08:18:47 PM
No idea. I found it hilarious.  @)(++(*
What dialect does the dog have? It sounds a bit like an Australian to me.
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Paj on April 04, 2020, 09:04:32 PM
 8(0(*
I think it is too little too late and I am furious that there have been problems with the supply of protective clothing to front line NHS workers and criminal that they are only now having access to tests.

I know of a young woman working in a nursing home for the elderly where the patient she had been nursing who had all the symptoms of Covid-19 sadly died.
He was found not to have died from the virus just another common or garden chest infection but in the intervening period those who had been nursing him and who thought he might have had the virus were not tested and had to wait on tenterhooks.

Until we know who has the virus we will unnecessarily take valuable people into self isolation and people who are carrying without knowing it free to walk around spreading it.

We had plenty of warning.  I think we should have been far better prepared.
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Paj on April 04, 2020, 09:17:42 PM
Sorry, previous post submitted before I'd actually replied, still getting the hang of the software here.

That's particularly highlighted where there are two people in a household - the dog is able to get 2 walks, and some large dogs really need that for health & welfare. But the same dog can only get 1 walk if there only happens to be one person living with him/her.  Iniquitous really.

And it absolutely infuriates me that taking your dog (or cat, or other pet) to the vet for urgent treatment isn't one of the essential reasons given.  Had to take my dog in twice last week as he was very poorly, to his vet 10 miles away. The second time he had to stay in for the day on a drip, then I had to collect him in the evening.  The police would apparently have had the discretion to make me turn back if they'd stopped me at a roadblock, and/or fine me. Ridiculous.  These requirements need to be put on the statute book, and all possible exceptions which are reasonable, set down.  Meanwhile, whether your dog lives or dies is apparently something an individual police officer has the power to decide - I hope this is unlikely, but I'm pushing the example to make my point clear.   
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Paj on April 04, 2020, 09:26:33 PM
Unless he's well insured of course.  In which case make it look like an accident.

But be sure, if planting a rifle with a silencer attached into his hand in order to make a shot to the head look like suicide, that the length of the whole to the trigger isn't longer than his arm & hand ...   8(0(*
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Robittybob1 on April 04, 2020, 11:36:05 PM
Unless he's well insured of course.  In which case make it look like an accident.
Wicked!
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: mrswah on April 17, 2020, 10:06:42 AM
"Exercise must involve some movement."

I have just read this on MSN news (the guidelines as to what we're allowed and not allowed to do during lockdown".

Hm !
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: mrswah on April 17, 2020, 10:10:25 AM
Sorry, previous post submitted before I'd actually replied, still getting the hang of the software here.

That's particularly highlighted where there are two people in a household - the dog is able to get 2 walks, and some large dogs really need that for health & welfare. But the same dog can only get 1 walk if there only happens to be one person living with him/her.  Iniquitous really.

And it absolutely infuriates me that taking your dog (or cat, or other pet) to the vet for urgent treatment isn't one of the essential reasons given.  Had to take my dog in twice last week as he was very poorly, to his vet 10 miles away. The second time he had to stay in for the day on a drip, then I had to collect him in the evening.  The police would apparently have had the discretion to make me turn back if they'd stopped me at a roadblock, and/or fine me. Ridiculous.  These requirements need to be put on the statute book, and all possible exceptions which are reasonable, set down.  Meanwhile, whether your dog lives or dies is apparently something an individual police officer has the power to decide - I hope this is unlikely, but I'm pushing the example to make my point clear.

I have spent the past 3 weeks wondering whether my neighbours are going to shop me for taking my dog out more than once a day.

I have now read that exercise more than once a day is NOT illegal.  (Of course, it's now p-----g down with rain, so the dog will be getting less walks today anyway)!
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Eleanor on April 17, 2020, 11:04:05 AM

I am now seriously stressed and suffering from an awful dose of anxiety.  I don't know why because I haven't been anywhere for more than four weeks and my chances of catching it are slim.

However, my computer continues to play up so I have thrown in the towel and bought a new one.  999.00 EUROS.   I remain an unrepentant Apple Freak.  A since this one is eight years old, I have probably had my monies worth.

I am sitting here waiting for a very nice man to deliver it.  This in itself is stressful since I don't know how to say in French,  'at the top of the hill.' when he phones me.  And I can't get into Google Translate anymore. 

This is real Rural around here.

But  I have just been notified of my British Pension Entitlement for this year.  145.00 Pounds a week.  This is why I am entitled to The French Food Bank, which is probably how I managed to buy a new computer.  You win some and you lose some.

The only advice that I can give you is Don't Watch that Eyham Plague Video.  It has haunted my dreams.

Whoops, another Blog.  Sorry about that.  I still can't get into My Blog.  Mayhap tomorrow.
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: mrswah on April 17, 2020, 11:47:33 AM
I am now seriously stressed and suffering from an awful dose of anxiety.  I don't know why because I haven't been anywhere for more than four weeks and my chances of catching it are slim.

However, my computer continues to play up so I have thrown in the towel and bought a new one.  999.00 EUROS.   I remain an unrepentant Apple Freak.  A since this one is eight years old, I have probably had my monies worth.

I am sitting here waiting for a very nice man to deliver it.  This in itself is stressful since I don't know how to say in French,  'at the top of the hill.' when he phones me.  And I can't get into Google Translate anymore. 

This is real Rural around here.

But  I have just been notified of my British Pension Entitlement for this year.  145.00 Pounds a week.  This is why I am entitled to The French Food Bank, which is probably how I managed to buy a new computer.  You win some and you lose some.

The only advice that I can give you is Don't Watch that Eyham Plague Video.  It has haunted my dreams.

Whoops, another Blog.  Sorry about that.  I still can't get into My Blog.  Mayhap tomorrow.


"au sommet de la colline "  = "on top of the hill"   

When I can keep awake in the evening for long enough, I'm going to watch the Eyam plague video (will have to be late at night, as Mr Wah doesn't want to see it!).  If it's the one I watched years ago, it's very good. I find that daily news broadcast at 5pm more scary.

Enjoy the new computer!
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Eleanor on April 17, 2020, 12:08:08 PM

"au sommet de la colline "  = "on top of the hill"   

When I can keep awake in the evening for long enough, I'm going to watch the Eyam plague video (will have to be late at night, as Mr Wah doesn't want to see it!).  If it's the one I watched years ago, it's very good. I find that daily news broadcast at 5pm more scary.

Enjoy the new computer!

Ah Ha.  My son has just told me the same thing, except he said En Haut.

Yes, it is a good video of what or what not to do if you care about other people, which sadly, most of us don't.  It impressed me enormously that No One Else in Derbyshire actually caught it from them.  That was something else.

My New Computer still hasn't arrived.  So on tenterhooks now as it was supposed to arrive this morning.

Meanwhile this God Awful machine is actually behaving itself for the first time in months.  Too late, Mate.  You are toast.  Or you will be, if ever.
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Myster on April 17, 2020, 12:17:24 PM
Just got time to change your mind and cancel the order...

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Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Eleanor on April 17, 2020, 12:47:59 PM
Just got time to change your mind and cancel the order...

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Safari just dumped your Video.  Ha Ha.

If you want my opinion then I think Apple have decided that I should buy another Apple and consequently b....red up this one.  But come on, eight years ain't half bad.  My first Apple lasted for nine years.  For how long do most people get from their computers?

And since Apple will know that I have just bought another one they will want to keep me on board.

What price my sanity?
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Myster on April 17, 2020, 01:03:03 PM
Safari just dumped your Video.  Ha Ha.

If you want my opinion then I think Apple have decided that I should buy another Apple and consequently b....red up this one.  But come on, eight years ain't half bad.  My first Apple lasted for nine years.  For how long do most people get from their computers?

And since Apple will know that I have just bought another one they will want to keep me on board.

What price my sanity?
My last self-built, future-proofed Windows PC lasted ten years, until its ancient Intel processor slowed things to a standstill. So now building another with the latest AMD Ryzen CPU... and growing tomatoes during the lockdown.


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Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Eleanor on April 17, 2020, 01:41:40 PM
My last self-built, future-proofed Windows PC lasted ten years, until its ancient Intel processor slowed things to a standstill. So now building another with the latest AMD Ryzen CPU... and growing tomatoes during the lockdown.

I am impressed.  I just hope to Log On.

Meanwhile I am growing Broad Beans, again.  I only ever hope to grow enough Broad Beans to grow the bloody things again next year.  They are pretty and The Slugs don't like them.

My son is growing Tomatoes, but I wouldn't say much for his chances.
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Carana on April 23, 2020, 10:43:27 AM
Wicked!

I've just realised that Rob hasn't been around for quite some time: not since April 6. He may just have forgotten to pay his Internet provider bill or could have a computer / phone in need of repair.
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Eleanor on April 23, 2020, 10:56:25 AM
I've just realised that Rob hasn't been around for quite some time: not since April 6. He may just have forgotten to pay his Internet provider bill or could have a computer / phone in need of repair.

I hope Rob is okay.  But they don't seem to be having much of a problem in New Zealand.
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Carana on April 23, 2020, 11:41:19 AM
I hope Rob is okay.  But they don't seem to be having much of a problem in New Zealand.

I hope he didn't get sick with all his experiments at squirting various concentrations of hydrogen peroxide...
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Eleanor on April 24, 2020, 08:07:30 AM
I've just realised that Rob hasn't been around for quite some time: not since April 6. He may just have forgotten to pay his Internet provider bill or could have a computer / phone in need of repair.

I have been asked to let you know that Rob is fine but still recovering from Corona Virus which he caught in January.

His computer is also out of action temporarily.  He hopes to be back soon.
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Brietta on April 24, 2020, 10:18:54 AM
I have been asked to let you know that Rob is fine but still recovering from Corona Virus which he caught in January.

His computer is also out of action temporarily.  He hopes to be back soon.

Thanks Eleanor.  Please pass on my regards to him if you can with best wishes for a full recovery.
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Carana on April 24, 2020, 10:48:53 AM
I have been asked to let you know that Rob is fine but still recovering from Corona Virus which he caught in January.

His computer is also out of action temporarily.  He hopes to be back soon.

In January?
Hope he's ok.

I'll wait until he gets back to tease him on his H202 theories...
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Eleanor on April 24, 2020, 11:00:11 AM
In January?
Hope he's ok.

I'll wait until he gets back to tease him on his H202 theories...

I received this message through a third party who spoke to Rob on the phone, so I don't know how absolutely accurate it is;  But he is obviously still alive.  I think.
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Robittybob1 on May 11, 2020, 04:56:56 AM
I've just realised that Rob hasn't been around for quite some time: not since April 6. He may just have forgotten to pay his Internet provider bill or could have a computer / phone in need of repair.
My PC lost its wifi link, so I have been sitting waiting for the repair job.   Back up again.
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Robittybob1 on May 11, 2020, 04:58:24 AM
I received this message through a third party who spoke to Rob on the phone, so I don't know how absolutely accurate it is;  But he is obviously still alive.  I think.
Proof of life.
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Eleanor on May 11, 2020, 06:00:14 AM
Proof of life.

Thank God for that.  Well, perhaps not God God, but you know what I mean.
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: G-Unit on May 11, 2020, 06:22:21 AM
Proof of life.

Nice to see you back Rob x
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Brietta on May 11, 2020, 08:23:00 AM
Proof of life.

Glad you are posting again, Rob xx
Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: Robittybob1 on May 11, 2020, 09:10:47 AM
About a week before going to PN. hospital I had the words in a dream "drink milk".   Ok every day for the next week feeling run down I continued to drink Berocca dissolved in water, and every day I had flatulence, which I could tell it was the result of the Berocca.   
On Saturday morning at 2 AM, I couldn't take the pain anymore so I rang the ambulance to get them to take me to A&E.
Prior to this on Thursday afternoon I had gone to the Testing Station for a Covid 19 nasal swab and I was asked to remain in isolation until my results were made known.  I told the ambulance staff and the A&E that I was still in isolation.

Blood test were taken, and later X-rays of my chest and abdomen, followed by a computerized tomography (CT) scan (along with the Iodine contrast agent).   All in all they came up with a diagnosis of acute pancreatitis.   

Late on Saturday, my Covid test results had come back and no virus was isolated from my nose.   OK, so I was released from the negative pressure isolation room and put into a surgical ward.

I kept on using the hydrogen peroxide spray into my nose and onto my face to make sure I wasn't spreading it.
All-day Sunday I was in pain, being given pain relief and monitored for fluid balance and blood pressure.  My blood pressure was through the roof, so high the inflatable cuff would either burst, rip off or the pump mechanism would jut about die trying to blow it up sufficiently to read my systolic blood pressure.

The next day I was due to have an ultrasound scan of my gall bladder so I was to have nill by mouth from 2:00 AM.
At 1 AM I recalled the "drink milk" dream, so I asked the nurse for a glass of milk.   I rocked the milk around in my stomach and it felt healing, and the flatulence seemed to be released as the milk moved out of my stomach into my bowels.   Just before 2:00 AM I asked for another glass of milk and did the same rocking motion.   

I fell asleep soon after and I awoke at 6:00 AM for my next antibiotic injection.   I felt completely better.  My ultrasound results were OK. I didn't have gallstones as the doctors had suspected.  By Lunchtime, I was allowed a meal and released to go home.

Once I got home a looked up the Internet to see if pancreatitis was associated with Covid 19, and it had been associated.  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7118654/

A week later I'm eating OK but I'm still easily exhausted.

Title: Re: How do people feel about the lockdown?
Post by: John on May 11, 2020, 01:26:01 PM
Sorry to hear you were unwell Rob, I thought you were on a sabbatical from the forum for a while. Hope you get back to full strength soon.  8((()*/