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Title: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 22, 2020, 12:03:32 PM
As I understand it the above is being worked on with various timescales given the longest some 18 months.  Those working on a vaccine have admitted it will not go though all the normal clinical trials to check for side effects because it can take months/years for any side effects to develop.

How do others feel about getting vaccinated given the above?
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: misty on April 22, 2020, 12:45:15 PM
As I understand it the above is being worked on with various timescales given the longest some 18 months.  Those working on a vaccine have admitted it will not go though all the normal clinical trials to check for side effects because it can take months/years for any side effects to develop.

How do others feel about getting vaccinated given the above?

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-has-mutated-into-more-than-30-strains-say-scientists-in-china-11976380

IMO any vaccine developed will be about as effect as the flu vaccine. I had terrible flu last New Year  and previously in Dec 2018 - after the first 2 flu vaccines I'd had in my lifetime. Given the haste in which various governments want Covid 19 mass vaccination implemented, I will be very reluctant to have the jab.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Myster on April 22, 2020, 12:56:49 PM
There's always a chance that you might burst out in pangolins...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/The_cow_pock.jpg (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/The_cow_pock.jpg)
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: barrier on April 22, 2020, 01:01:32 PM
As I understand it the above is being worked on with various timescales given the longest some 18 months.  Those working on a vaccine have admitted it will not go though all the normal clinical trials to check for side effects because it can take months/years for any side effects to develop.

How do others feel about getting vaccinated given the above?

No thanks,I'll chance it.Whats the hurry one wonders,what are we not being told.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Mr Gray on April 22, 2020, 01:49:21 PM
As I understand it the above is being worked on with various timescales given the longest some 18 months.  Those working on a vaccine have admitted it will not go though all the normal clinical trials to check for side effects because it can take months/years for any side effects to develop.

How do others feel about getting vaccinated given the above?

I think we need more information. The problem is whats the alternative and if enough people dont take up the vaccine where does that leave us re lockdown and  return to normal. Its either  avaccine or herd immunity at the moment afaics
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Carana on April 22, 2020, 05:23:12 PM
Well, various studies appear to be underway to find treatments as well.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Mr Gray on April 22, 2020, 05:30:54 PM
Well, various studies appear to be underway to find treatments as well.

Still no treatment for the common cold...nor flu......anti virals can help.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Mr Gray on April 22, 2020, 05:40:31 PM
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this is a graph for weekly deaths in London in the last 10 years...thats all deaths whatever the cause. The blue line is this year..... I think that puts thing into proportion
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 22, 2020, 08:48:50 PM
No thanks,I'll chance it.Whats the hurry one wonders,what are we not being told.

Me too!   I knew we would eventually find some common ground! 
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 22, 2020, 08:51:23 PM
Well, various studies appear to be underway to find treatments as well.

Plasma transfer from the covid recovered.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 22, 2020, 08:52:36 PM
Still no treatment for the common cold...nor flu......anti virals can help.

These constantly mutate don't they?
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Holly Goodhead on April 22, 2020, 08:53:30 PM
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this is a graph for weekly deaths in London in the last 10 years...thats all deaths whatever the cause. The blue line is this year..... I think that puts thing into proportion

 &%%6
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Carana on April 23, 2020, 02:04:05 AM
Plasma transfer from the covid recovered.

Yes, that's one of them.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Brietta on April 23, 2020, 10:17:06 AM
Yes, that's one of them.

I don't have the courage of the early cowpox volunteers ... I have absolutely no intention of having a vaccination against Covid-19.  For one who does not vaccinate against 'flu - it really is a leap in the dark for me and I've heard too many tales like Misty's.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Carana on April 23, 2020, 10:35:04 AM
I don't have the courage of the early cowpox volunteers ... I have absolutely no intention of having a vaccination against Covid-19.  For one who does not vaccinate against 'flu - it really is a leap in the dark for me and I've heard too many tales like Misty's.

I've only been popping in occasionally for quite a while - any link to a thread to find what Misty said? Hope she's ok.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Carana on April 23, 2020, 12:20:48 PM
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-has-mutated-into-more-than-30-strains-say-scientists-in-china-11976380

IMO any vaccine developed will be about as effect as the flu vaccine. I had terrible flu last New Year  and previously in Dec 2018 - after the first 2 flu vaccines I'd had in my lifetime. Given the haste in which various governments want Covid 19 mass vaccination implemented, I will be very reluctant to have the jab.

Ah. OK.

I was vaccinated /booster jabbed for all sorts of things some decades back. My memory of bad reactions meant that I was really reluctant to even get a flu jab. I was eventually "heavily encouraged" into getting one for the sake of someone I was caring for. No side effects, all fine.

I haven't had one since, though. TBH, until recently, it hadn't really dawned on me that it wasn't just to protect myself but others who may have a weaker immune system.

Pending a COVID-19 jab, yes, I think I'll have a regular flu jab - as that could save time for medics (and patients) to distinguish between the two this coming winter.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Brietta on April 23, 2020, 01:10:58 PM
I've only been popping in occasionally for quite a while - any link to a thread to find what Misty said? Hope she's ok.

Sorry Carana, my bad ... I had just read it so it was fresh in my mind http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11421.msg585236#msg585236
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Brietta on April 23, 2020, 01:38:57 PM
Ah. OK.

I was vaccinated /booster jabbed for all sorts of things some decades back. My memory of bad reactions meant that I was really reluctant to even get a flu jab. I was eventually "heavily encouraged" into getting one for the sake of someone I was caring for. No side effects, all fine.

I haven't had one since, though. TBH, until recently, it hadn't really dawned on me that it wasn't just to protect myself but others who may have a weaker immune system.

Pending a COVID-19 jab, yes, I think I'll have a regular flu jab - as that could save time for medics (and patients) to distinguish between the two this coming winter.

I see you managed to find it without me.

That was always what I thought of as 'herd immunity' and why it was 'acceptable' to have a few vaccine damaged children for the greater good.  Vaccination definitely proved its worth regarding TB inoculation although I didn't get that one either as a result of my pre jag test proving positive and I was sent for X-ray instead.

I've just googled why that should have been (The tuberculin skin test/Mantoux test https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/when-is-bcg-tb-vaccine-needed/) and apparently there might have been an adverse reaction to inoculation)
One wonders if that might be the same for anyone already infected with Covid-19 without knowing it, if there isn't a pre-inoculation test carried out as was done with me for TB as a child all those many long years ago.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Carana on April 23, 2020, 04:14:58 PM
Early on, medics said that a flu jab would have no effect on Covid-19 as it was new (cf any clip attempting to rebut Trump from a few months ago).

AFAIK, they don't seem to have changed their minds.

For the moment, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be fighting the flu and get infected with COVID at around the same time.

Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: barrier on April 23, 2020, 06:00:10 PM

Theres side effects it seems.



ONE of the first people to take part in a coronavirus vaccine trial has revealed to ITV's Good Morning Britain the side effects that he has been told to expect.

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1272897/coronavirus-vaccine-trial-side-effects-COVID19-cases-pandemic-latest-news-update

Other news outlets are availible.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Mr Gray on April 23, 2020, 06:40:45 PM
Theres side effects it seems.



ONE of the first people to take part in a coronavirus vaccine trial has revealed to ITV's Good Morning Britain the side effects that he has been told to expect.

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1272897/coronavirus-vaccine-trial-side-effects-COVID19-cases-pandemic-latest-news-update

Other news outlets are availible.

It's more about pt consent imo... You have to prepare and warn patients about the worst case scenario.. The papers then make a story out of it
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Carana on April 23, 2020, 07:30:41 PM
Not vaccine-related, but one of the possible treatments involves hydroxychloroquine. I'm not in either camp, I'm just interested in the facts.

In trying to find out more about it, I've come across what I see as heated emotional  "for / against" camps in several countries, which has made my nose twitch.

My disclaimer is that, despite my best efforts, when Trump systematically promotes something I get suspicious.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/22/rick-bright-trump-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus







Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Carana on April 24, 2020, 06:31:13 AM
A bit of hopeful news for a change.


Medics fighting COVID-19 in a hospital in Cheshire seem to have cut mortality rates and improved the chances of a quick recovery from the virus by adapting their breathing machines normally used for a sleeping disorder.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-hospital-cuts-covid-19-death-rates-with-black-boxes-for-sleep-disorder-11977789
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Mr Gray on April 24, 2020, 06:49:19 AM
A bit of hopeful news for a change.


Medics fighting COVID-19 in a hospital in Cheshire seem to have cut mortality rates and improved the chances of a quick recovery from the virus by adapting their breathing machines normally used for a sleeping disorder.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-hospital-cuts-covid-19-death-rates-with-black-boxes-for-sleep-disorder-11977789
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Mr Gray on April 24, 2020, 06:52:05 AM
A bit of hopeful news for a change.


Medics fighting COVID-19 in a hospital in Cheshire seem to have cut mortality rates and improved the chances of a quick recovery from the virus by adapting their breathing machines normally used for a sleeping disorder.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-hospital-cuts-covid-19-death-rates-with-black-boxes-for-sleep-disorder-11977789

This is very old news... Afaik they have been using them from the off.. I even tried to buy one about 6 weeks, ago.. It's called CPAP


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11284.msg581485#msg581485
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Carana on April 24, 2020, 10:52:00 AM
This is very old news... Afaik they have been using them from the off.. I even tried to buy one about 6 weeks, ago.. It's called CPAP


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11284.msg581485#msg581485

The black boxes aren't the CPAP ones, as they'd run out of those as well, but ones that they use for sleep apnoea, based on the same principle.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Mr Gray on April 24, 2020, 11:36:28 AM
The black boxes aren't the CPAP ones, as they'd run out of those as well, but ones that they use for sleep apnoea, based on the same principle.

CPAP machines, are used for sleep apnoea..at  home...

they are mentioned here 6th april...nearly 3 weeks ago
6 April 2020
We are about a week away from the estimated peak of the epidemic. Our mainstay of treatment is to simply keep patients breathing, and two issues are preoccupying us - ventilators and oxygen.

It's become clear that the UK is pretty low down the international ventilator league table. Although we put in hasty orders for more, there appears to be a bit of a run on them, and we're worried that our order won't arrive in time to meet the Covid-19 peak.

However, there is growing evidence that a simple machine used by patients with sleep apnoea (snoring and interrupted breathing) in their own bedrooms can be an effective alternative. And Dr Tom Lawton, one of our ingenious intensive care consultants, has managed to get his hands on 100 of them from a local manufacturer.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on April 24, 2020, 04:53:51 PM
Who needs a vaccine when according to The Donald some sunshine and a needle full of disinfectant into the veins should sort it all out.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Brietta on April 24, 2020, 05:33:04 PM
Who needs a vaccine when according to The Donald some sunshine and a needle full of disinfectant into the veins should sort it all out.

I think there is a fair chance that such action certainly would 'sort it all out' ... let's not all shove each other out of the queue to be first to try it.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Carana on April 24, 2020, 06:27:12 PM
Someone already died in the States after The Quack first mentioned (hydroxy)chloroquine: he and his wife discovered that a cleaner used for their fish tank had chloroquine phosphate in it and drank it. The wife survived.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Carana on April 24, 2020, 06:28:31 PM
CPAP machines, are used for sleep apnoea..at  home...

they are mentioned here 6th april...nearly 3 weeks ago
6 April 2020
We are about a week away from the estimated peak of the epidemic. Our mainstay of treatment is to simply keep patients breathing, and two issues are preoccupying us - ventilators and oxygen.

It's become clear that the UK is pretty low down the international ventilator league table. Although we put in hasty orders for more, there appears to be a bit of a run on them, and we're worried that our order won't arrive in time to meet the Covid-19 peak.

However, there is growing evidence that a simple machine used by patients with sleep apnoea (snoring and interrupted breathing) in their own bedrooms can be an effective alternative. And Dr Tom Lawton, one of our ingenious intensive care consultants, has managed to get his hands on 100 of them from a local manufacturer.


Ok, sorry, I haven't been on here much recently so missed it.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 02, 2020, 10:15:41 PM
With the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine now approved for use in UK how do others feel about getting vaccinated when the roll out starts?

Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Myster on December 03, 2020, 06:13:07 AM
With the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine now approved for use in UK how do others feel about getting vaccinated when the roll out starts?
Having fallen off the wagon months ago, do you not feel hungover enough already?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9010145/Volunteers-given-Pfizers-Covid-vaccine-reveal-effects-felt-like-severe-hangover.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9010145/Volunteers-given-Pfizers-Covid-vaccine-reveal-effects-felt-like-severe-hangover.html)
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 03, 2020, 10:40:54 AM
Having fallen off the wagon months ago, do you not feel hungover enough already?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9010145/Volunteers-given-Pfizers-Covid-vaccine-reveal-effects-felt-like-severe-hangover.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9010145/Volunteers-given-Pfizers-Covid-vaccine-reveal-effects-felt-like-severe-hangover.html)

More reasons not to have it! 

Interestingly on breakfast tv this morning one of the scientists said it is not being recommended for pregnant women as they dont have enough data to confirm its safe use.  And yet we're told enough data exists to support its safe use with the rest of the population? 

Why should we believe experts and officialdom when they've called it so wrong over recent years over other matters eg financial crisis of 2008 and so-called weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. 
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 03, 2020, 10:58:13 AM
The type of vaccine engineered by Pfizer/BioNTech, MRNA, is the first of its type to be given approval for use. 

I wonder if the royal physicians will give the green light for its use on the Queen!
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 03, 2020, 01:37:19 PM
From Gavin Williamson:

The education secretary, Gavin Williamson, has claimed the UK was the first country in the world to clinically approve a coronavirus vaccine because the country has ďmuch betterĒ scientists than France, Belgium or the US.

Williamson said he was not surprised the UK was the first to roll out the immunisation because ďweíre a much better country than every single one of themĒ.

Asked whether Brexit was to credit for the world-first, Williamson told LBC radio station on Thursday: ďWell I just reckon weíve got the very best people in this country and weíve obviously got the best medical regulators.


GW perhaps needs reminding of the Thalidomide scandal:

In 1960, Kelsey was hired by the FDA in Washington, D.C. At that time, she "was one of only seven full-time and four young part-time physicians reviewing drugs"[4] for the FDA. One of her first assignments at the FDA was to review an application by Richardson-Merrell for the drug thalidomide (under the tradename Kevadon) as a tranquilizer and painkiller with specific indications to prescribe the drug to pregnant women for morning sickness. Even though it had already been approved in Canada and more than 20 European and African countries,[8] she withheld approval for the drug and requested further studies.[3] Despite pressure from thalidomide's manufacturer, Kelsey persisted in requesting additional information to explain an English study that documented peripheral neuritis,[9] a nervous system side effect.[4] She also requested data showing the drug was not harmful to the fetus.[9]

Kelsey's insistence that the drug should be fully tested prior to approval was vindicated when the births of deformed infants in Europe were linked to thalidomide ingestion by their mothers during pregnancy.[10] Researchers discovered that the thalidomide crossed the placental barrier and caused serious birth defects.[7] She was hailed on the front page of The Washington Post as a heroine[11] for averting a similar tragedy in the U.S.[12] Morton Mintz, author of The Washington Post article, said "[Kelsey] preventedÖ the birth of hundreds or indeed thousands of armless and legless children."[11] Kelsey insisted that her assistants, Oyam Jiro and Lee Geismar, as well as her FDA superiors who backed her strong stance, deserved credit as well. The narrative of Kelsey's persistence, however, was used to help pass rigorous drug approval regulation in 1962.[1]


Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 03, 2020, 01:44:55 PM
Passengers on the Titanic were told it was unsinkable!  Asbestos was thought to be a safe building material at one time. Cladding on high rise buildings no doubt met building safety regs!  Grenfell residents were told to stay inside by fire experts.  I could go on and on...Anyone who takes experts and officialdom at face value is mad or deluded imo. 
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Erngath on December 03, 2020, 06:22:17 PM
Passengers on the Titanic were told it was unsinkable!  Asbestos was thought to be a safe building material at one time. Cladding on high rise buildings no doubt met building safety regs!  Grenfell residents were told to stay inside by fire experts.  I could go on and on...Anyone who takes experts and officialdom at face value is mad or deluded imo.


Is your advice that no one should have the vaccine and just continue the lifestyle we have all endured for months?
As soon as the vaccine is offered to us, I think we are in the fourth section of the population to be vaccinated, we will be there.
Does that make us mad or deluded?
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 03, 2020, 08:22:02 PM

Is your advice that no one should have the vaccine and just continue the lifestyle we have all endured for months?
As soon as the vaccine is offered to us, I think we are in the fourth section of the population to be vaccinated, we will be there.
Does that make us mad or deluded?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9013629/Were-better-country-Gavin-Williamson-wades-Brexit-vaccine-row-blast-EU.html
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Erngath on December 03, 2020, 08:51:53 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9013629/Were-better-country-Gavin-Williamson-wades-Brexit-vaccine-row-blast-EU.html

You have not answered my question.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 03, 2020, 09:01:22 PM
You have not answered my question.

Its a matter of personal choice. 
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Erngath on December 03, 2020, 09:12:36 PM
Its a matter of personal choice.

So those  who choose not to be vaccinated are relying on those who do to control  the spread  of the virus?
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 03, 2020, 09:27:16 PM
So those  who choose not to be vaccinated are relying on those who do to control  the spread  of the virus?

It is not yet known whether the vaccine stops the spread of the virus. 
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Erngath on December 03, 2020, 10:17:06 PM
It is not yet known whether the vaccine stops the spread of the virus.

If everyone is vaccinated how will it continue to spread?
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 03, 2020, 10:50:28 PM
If everyone is vaccinated how will it continue to spread?

That wasn't what you asked or what I responded to.

How long do you think its going to take to vaccinate some 7 billion people on planet earth even if it was readily available and everyone took it up? 

Scientists don't yet know whether the vaccination stops the spread or just stops people becoming ill.  And they don't know how long immunity lasts.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Erngath on December 03, 2020, 11:07:31 PM
That wasn't what you asked or what I responded to.

How long do you think its going to take to vaccinate some 7 billion people on planet earth even if it was readily available and everyone took it up? 

Scientists don't yet know whether the vaccination stops the spread or just stops people becoming ill.  And they don't know how long immunity lasts.

If it " just stops people becoming ill" and dying then that is a good enough reason for its development and use.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 04, 2020, 08:27:37 AM
If it " just stops people becoming ill" and dying then that is a good enough reason for its development and use.

No one knows the med - long-term effects of the vaccination or how long immunity lasts and whether those vaccinated are still capable of being spreaders. 
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Myster on December 04, 2020, 08:38:20 AM
We might even suffer from horrendous skin eruptions of creatures such as bats or pangolins as Jenner discovered after injecting his human guinea pigs with cowpox...
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Erngath on December 04, 2020, 08:51:31 AM
No one knows the med - long-term effects of the vaccination or how long immunity lasts and whether those vaccinated are still capable of being spreaders.

The same concerns must have been attached  to the polio vaccine but thankfully my parents and generations of parents have taken advantage of that vaccine and polio is now eliminated in most countries.

ETA
The medium and long term effects of the virus are now becoming very apparent.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Erngath on December 04, 2020, 08:55:45 AM
We might even suffer from horrendous skin eruptions of creatures such as bats or pangolins as Jenner discovered after injecting his human guinea pigs with cowpox...

Another vaccine which I received as a baby and again smallpox is no longer a concern in this country nor should it be anywhere.
The vaccine hasn't been administered to babies or children for many years in the UK......not sure about elsewhere.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: barrier on December 04, 2020, 10:23:58 AM
Another vaccine which I received as a baby and again smallpox is no longer a concern in this country nor should it be anywhere.
The vaccine hasn't been administered to babies or children for many years in the UK......not sure about elsewhere.

It was eradicated, but took 200 odd yrs after the vaccination was introduced.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 04, 2020, 01:15:31 PM
The same concerns must have been attached  to the polio vaccine but thankfully my parents and generations of parents have taken advantage of that vaccine and polio is now eliminated in most countries.

ETA
The medium and long term effects of the virus are now becoming very apparent.

The covid vaccines are based on new technologies.  The medium and long-term effects of the vaccine might present greater risks to health than the virus itself. 

With regard to medi regulators approving the vaccine, I am reminded of financial regulators approving complex financial instruments which they failed to understand hence the financial crisis of 2008. 
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 04, 2020, 02:18:13 PM
Historical cases of vaccines recalled:

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.html
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 04, 2020, 02:22:11 PM
The same concerns must have been attached  to the polio vaccine but thankfully my parents and generations of parents have taken advantage of that vaccine and polio is now eliminated in most countries.

ETA
The medium and long term effects of the virus are now becoming very apparent.

See Cutter incident:

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.html
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Erngath on December 04, 2020, 08:54:33 PM
It was eradicated, but took 200 odd yrs after the vaccination was introduced.


But times have moved on.
Polio has been eradicated in much less time.
It was a killer and an appalling disease in my childhood.....thankfully gone.
I admire so much my parents who had no hesitation in taking their three small children to be vaccinated with the new vaccine.......the alternative would have been what?
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 04, 2020, 09:28:02 PM

But times have moved on.
Polio has been eradicated in much less time.
It was a killer and an appalling disease in my childhood.....thankfully gone.
I admire so much my parents who had no hesitation in taking their three small children to be vaccinated with the new vaccine.......the alternative would have been what?

Polio hasn't been eradicated:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/polio/

The polio vaccine turned out ok for you and me but not so for those who fell victim to the 'Cutter' scandal.

Times have moved on in terms of polio but covid is new hence it is referred to as 'novel' and the proposed vaccines use new technologies. 
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Erngath on December 04, 2020, 10:23:32 PM
Polio hasn't been eradicated:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/polio/

The polio vaccine turned out ok for you and me but not so for those who fell victim to the 'Cutter' scandal.

Times have moved on in terms of polio but covid is new hence it is referred to as 'novel' and the proposed vaccines use new technologies.

Every new vaccine from smallpox..diphtheria.. measles..whooping cough..polio....mumps.... flu ... the new cervical cancer one will have possible side effects and no doubt folk at each introduction of a new vaccine had concerns but where we would be without them?
If faced with a choice to vaccinate my child against any of these  or leave them unvaccinated then my choice is to vaccinate as it will be for myself with the Covid vaccine.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 05, 2020, 11:29:32 AM
Every new vaccine from smallpox..diphtheria.. measles..whooping cough..polio....mumps.... flu ... the new cervical cancer one will have possible side effects and no doubt folk at each introduction of a new vaccine had concerns but where we would be without them?
If faced with a choice to vaccinate my child against any of these  or leave them unvaccinated then my choice is to vaccinate as it will be for myself with the Covid vaccine.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer; I'm questioning the speed in which the covid vaccine is being rolled out.  A vaccine usually takes 10 - 15 years to roll out with covid it's < l year  &%%6

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation

Any ideas why the UK gov has granted immunity to Pfizer?

The UK government has granted pharmaceutical giant Pfizer a legal indemnity protecting it from being sued, enabling its coronavirus vaccine to be rolled out across the country as early as next week.

The Department of Health and Social Care has confirmed the company has been given an indemnity protecting it from legal action as a result of any problems with the vaccine.

Ministers have also changed the law in recent weeks to give new protections to companies such as Pfizer, giving them immunity from being sued by patients in the event of any complications.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine-legal-indemnity-safety-ministers-b1765124.html
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: mrswah on December 05, 2020, 08:44:11 PM
I will take my chance with the vaccine as soon as I am offered one.  I accept there is probably some risk of long term side effects, but I'm nearly 67, so not too worried. If I were in my 20s, I might think differently.

Mr Wah feels the same as me.  He's 73, and, although he is in good physical health, he believes he will surely die if he gets Covid.  Oh dear!!
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: barrier on December 05, 2020, 08:53:17 PM
I will take my chance with the vaccine as soon as I am offered one.  I accept there is probably some risk of long term side effects, but I'm nearly 67, so not too worried. If I were in my 20s, I might think differently.

Mr Wah feels the same as me.  He's 73, and, although he is in good physical health, he believes he will surely die if he gets Covid.  Oh dear!!

He'll surely die if he doesn't. I'm in my 60's, unsure at the moment.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 06, 2020, 12:22:22 PM
I will take my chance with the vaccine as soon as I am offered one.  I accept there is probably some risk of long term side effects, but I'm nearly 67, so not too worried. If I were in my 20s, I might think differently.

Mr Wah feels the same as me.  He's 73, and, although he is in good physical health, he believes he will surely die if he gets Covid.  Oh dear!!

 (ty6e[ mrswah

67 is still young!  Look at the Queen!  You might have another 30 plus years in the tank!

I'm over 40 and under 60 so I guess that makes me 50ish  8)><( and afaik I don't have any health issues so I would prefer to catch covid and hopefully build natural immunity rather than be vaccinated.  But it might make life difficult without a vaccine eg overseas travel and insurance. 
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Erngath on December 06, 2020, 09:34:24 PM
(ty6e[ mrswah

67 is still young!  Look at the Queen!  You might have another 30 plus years in the tank!

I'm over 40 and under 60 so I guess that makes me 50ish  8)><( and afaik I don't have any health issues so I would prefer to catch covid and hopefully build natural immunity rather than be vaccinated.  But it might make life difficult without a vaccine eg overseas travel and insurance.

Unfortunately catching Covid when being in ones fifties and being healthy is not without problems.
Our eldest  son, aged 50 and in very good health, caught Covid early March.
His breathing and lung capacity have not returned to as it was before the virus and he had to have a chest xray last week.
We await the results.
I should add that he wasn't terribly unwell with the virus and this was in March before testing was introduced.
He is a teacher and possibly caught it in school.
All teachers have been given a monthly blood test to see if they have had the virus and his test shows he has.
He still has the antibodies ........
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 07, 2020, 08:55:22 PM
Unfortunately catching Covid when being in ones fifties and being healthy is not without problems.
Our eldest  son, aged 50 and in very good health, caught Covid early March.
His breathing and lung capacity have not returned to as it was before the virus and he had to have a chest xray last week.
We await the results.
I should add that he wasn't terribly unwell with the virus and this was in March before testing was introduced.
He is a teacher and possibly caught it in school.
All teachers have been given a monthly blood test to see if they have had the virus and his test shows he has.
He still has the antibodies ........

I wish your son a full and speedy recovery. 

By the time the likes of me are offered the vaccine I might well feel differently about it especially if it presents issues with regards to travelling overseas, obtaining travel insurance etc. 
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Erngath on December 07, 2020, 09:06:57 PM
I wish your son a full and speedy recovery. 

By the time the likes of me are offered the vaccine I might well feel differently about it especially if it presents issues with regards to travelling overseas, obtaining travel insurance etc.

Thank you.
And in spite of the supposed ability of this virus to easily infect others who share a home, our daughter in law who is also a teacher and has also been tested shows no indication of having had the virus.
I'm not too sure when we will be offered the vaccine,we are both in our early seventies, so possibly early Spring and it will be with some trepidation that we do attend.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Holly Goodhead on December 07, 2020, 09:23:51 PM
Thank you.
And in spite of the supposed ability of this virus to easily infect others who share a home, our daughter in law who is also a teacher and has also been tested shows no indication of having had the virus.
I'm not too sure when we will be offered the vaccine,we are both in our early seventies, so possibly early Spring and it will be with some trepidation that we do attend.

All the health care professionals appear to be singing from the same hymn sheet over the safeness.  By the time your turn comes round thousands, if not millions, will have gone before you.  Assuming the US and EU medi regulators also approve sounds like it might be the way to go ie get vaccinated! 
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: mrswah on December 15, 2020, 10:23:33 PM
(ty6e[ mrswah

67 is still young!  Look at the Queen!  You might have another 30 plus years in the tank!

I'm over 40 and under 60 so I guess that makes me 50ish  8)><( and afaik I don't have any health issues so I would prefer to catch covid and hopefully build natural immunity rather than be vaccinated.  But it might make life difficult without a vaccine eg overseas travel and insurance.

My hairdresser is around your age, and she says the same. She wont have a flu vaccine either. 

I suppose one reason why hubby and I want the vaccine is that we want to be able to travel----particularly to see our son and family in Canada. Would be wonderful not to have to worry about being tested, tracked, traced and isolated!
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: mrswah on December 15, 2020, 10:25:51 PM
Unfortunately catching Covid when being in ones fifties and being healthy is not without problems.
Our eldest  son, aged 50 and in very good health, caught Covid early March.
His breathing and lung capacity have not returned to as it was before the virus and he had to have a chest xray last week.
We await the results.
I should add that he wasn't terribly unwell with the virus and this was in March before testing was introduced.
He is a teacher and possibly caught it in school.
All teachers have been given a monthly blood test to see if they have had the virus and his test shows he has.
He still has the antibodies ........

I hope your son recovers soon. We also know someone who had the virus in March, and who is still feeling the effects. Not good.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Erngath on December 15, 2020, 11:24:29 PM
I hope your son recovers soon. We also know someone who had the virus in March, and who is still feeling the effects. Not good.

Thank you.
The results from his xray are fortunately clear.
However another teacher in his school came back after a five week absence because of Covid and has had to be declared unfit for work again.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: sadie on January 07, 2021, 03:33:51 PM
Here I am ; the guinea pig.

Had my first Pfizer injection yesterday.  So far no ill effects.
Yet I had an allergic reaction to my annual regular flu jab this year, so was a bit worried.


Hubby has his second Phizer jab in a weeks time


After the first jab, we both immediately felt a bit liberated - but we still remain housebound.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Myster on January 12, 2021, 02:09:37 PM
Looks like our relations with China will soon go down the pangolin...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9138117/Boris-Johnson-blames-Chinese-Covid-saying-pandemic-triggered-demented-traditional-medicine.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9138117/Boris-Johnson-blames-Chinese-Covid-saying-pandemic-triggered-demented-traditional-medicine.html)

https://youtu.be/KTMPWqlhO_U?t=8919 (https://youtu.be/KTMPWqlhO_U?t=8919)
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: G-Unit on January 16, 2021, 01:30:31 PM
Despite being in my mid-seventies with no health problems I am getting my first Covid injection on Monday. I'm happy to take it so that I don't end up occupying a hospital bed.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on January 16, 2021, 02:41:11 PM
Despite being in my mid-seventies with no health problems I am getting my first Covid injection on Monday. I'm happy to take it so that I don't end up occupying a hospital bed.
Youíre very fortunate.  My parents who are in their mid 80s both with certain health issues have not had theirs yet nor been given any indication at all of when they are likely to get it.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Angelo222 on January 16, 2021, 03:17:48 PM
Here I am ; the guinea pig.

Had my first Pfizer injection yesterday.  So far no ill effects.
Yet I had an allergic reaction to my annual regular flu jab this year, so was a bit worried.


Hubby has his second Phizer jab in a weeks time


After the first jab, we both immediately felt a bit liberated - but we still remain housebound.

Nice one Sadie 👍
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Angelo222 on January 16, 2021, 03:20:18 PM
Looks like our relations with China will soon go down the pangolin...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9138117/Boris-Johnson-blames-Chinese-Covid-saying-pandemic-triggered-demented-traditional-medicine.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9138117/Boris-Johnson-blames-Chinese-Covid-saying-pandemic-triggered-demented-traditional-medicine.html)

https://youtu.be/KTMPWqlhO_U?t=8919 (https://youtu.be/KTMPWqlhO_U?t=8919)

Unlike the Russians, the Chinese are the silent aggressor. They have weedled their way into just about every facet of life on this planet. They are pumping money in everywhere with the intention of taking over the world by stealth. At least Donald Trump saw through them?
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Angelo222 on January 16, 2021, 03:24:31 PM
As I understand it the above is being worked on with various timescales given the longest some 18 months.  Those working on a vaccine have admitted it will not go though all the normal clinical trials to check for side effects because it can take months/years for any side effects to develop.

How do others feel about getting vaccinated given the above?

I think the new Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine which was developed in Oxford and which only costs a couple of quid will do the trick.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: G-Unit on January 17, 2021, 02:22:20 AM
Youíre very fortunate.  My parents who are in their mid 80s both with certain health issues have not had theirs yet nor been given any indication at all of when they are likely to get it.

A phonecall on Saturday offering an appointment on Monday. That struck me as having slots to fill. I expect different areas are working to different timescales too. I seem to be attending a designated centre which has been created. Also healthcare in our area is very well organised and doesn't seem to be under great pressure. I've attended two hospital appointments recently which weren't vitally urgent.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: barrier on January 17, 2021, 08:57:10 AM
Despite being in my mid-seventies with no health problems I am getting my first Covid injection on Monday. I'm happy to take it so that I don't end up occupying a hospital bed.

Good for you G. 8((()*/
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 17, 2021, 10:38:56 AM


I'm refusing the vaccine.

I'm not going to risk being stuck in the arm with a host of chemicals which could potentially kill me.

See you later all, just off out to get some more smack.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on January 17, 2021, 11:05:13 AM

I'm refusing the vaccine.

I'm not going to risk being stuck in the arm with a host of chemicals which could potentially kill me.

See you later all, just off out to get some more smack.
Make sure you ask for the XL syringe.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on January 17, 2021, 11:08:12 AM
Your German is wrong too Spam(theyíll kick you out of Nazi School if youíre not careful).
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: G-Unit on January 17, 2021, 01:18:40 PM
Good for you G. 8((()*/

I'm not really a fan of vacines, but this one's different. My area is taking patients from a nearby big city to ease the pressure there, so if I ended up in hospital too I'd just be adding to the problem. If I can avoid doing that I feel like I should.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on January 17, 2021, 01:26:24 PM
I'm not really a fan of vacines, but this one's different. My area is taking patients from a nearby big city to ease the pressure there, so if I ended up in hospital too I'd just be adding to the problem. If I can avoid doing that I feel like I should.
How incredibly altruistic of you.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: G-Unit on January 17, 2021, 02:38:19 PM
How incredibly altruistic of you.

Are you being sarcastic?
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on January 17, 2021, 02:54:31 PM
Are you being sarcastic?
Moi?  Sarcastic?  Heaven Forfend!  What is it about vaccines you are not a fan of, out of interest?  Is it the fact that they prevent vast numbers of people from getting seriously ill that you object to? 
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: G-Unit on January 17, 2021, 10:37:26 PM
Moi?  Sarcastic?  Heaven Forfend!  What is it about vaccines you are not a fan of, out of interest?  Is it the fact that they prevent vast numbers of people from getting seriously ill that you object to?

I'm not keen on putting things inside me without a good reason. It began with the thalidomide affair. I was pregnant at the time and constantly sick, but I didn't go to the doctor about it. Maybe I and my daughter had a lucky escape. Then there's addiction to prescription drugs. It began with Valium and now prescribed opioids are a problem. I don't see any reason to place my trust in drug companies.  As to prevention, a couple of years ago all the flu jabs were useless because the illnesses that winter were caused by a strain which no-one had been vaccinated against.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on January 17, 2021, 10:49:19 PM
I'm not keen on putting things inside me without a good reason. It began with the thalidomide affair. I was pregnant at the time and constantly sick, but I didn't go to the doctor about it. Maybe I and my daughter had a lucky escape. Then there's addiction to prescription drugs. It began with Valium and now prescribed opioids are a problem. I don't see any reason to place my trust in drug companies.  As to prevention, a couple of years ago all the flu jabs were useless because the illnesses that winter were caused by a strain which no-one had been vaccinated against.
Thalidomide was not a vaccine, neither is valium.  Flu jabs are an effective at reducing serious cases of flu and deaths on a yearly basis, vaccines save an estimated 5 million lives a year. As you donít trust drug companies and arenít a fan of vaccines I assume you did not have your children vaccinated?  And as someone who doesnít trust vaccines to deliver perhaps you could explain why you think having the Covid jab will prevent youmfrom occupying a hospital bed that youíd rather someone else have?  Why not simply refuse to go to hospital where they would only pump you full of more drugs you wouldnít approve of?
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: G-Unit on January 18, 2021, 01:10:32 PM
Thalidomide was not a vaccine, neither is valium.  Flu jabs are an effective at reducing serious cases of flu and deaths on a yearly basis, vaccines save an estimated 5 million lives a year. As you donít trust drug companies and arenít a fan of vaccines I assume you did not have your children vaccinated?  And as someone who doesnít trust vaccines to deliver perhaps you could explain why you think having the Covid jab will prevent youmfrom occupying a hospital bed that youíd rather someone else have?  Why not simply refuse to go to hospital where they would only pump you full of more drugs you wouldnít approve of?

They were produced by drug companies. My children were vaccinated as there was no alarm about them in the 1960's. In fact the success of the polio vaccination was encouraging. I'm willing to risk this jab to do my bit. I've had it now and will be protected in a week to ten days. If I do get it it should be mild, I've been told. 
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Mr Gray on January 18, 2021, 09:09:19 PM
I'm not keen on putting things inside me without a good reason. It began with the thalidomide affair. I was pregnant at the time and constantly sick, but I didn't go to the doctor about it. Maybe I and my daughter had a lucky escape. Then there's addiction to prescription drugs. It began with Valium and now prescribed opioids are a problem. I don't see any reason to place my trust in drug companies.  As to prevention, a couple of years ago all the flu jabs were useless because the illnesses that winter were caused by a strain which no-one had been vaccinated against.

I think that's a bit of thick persons response to pharmacology... Just ignore all the saved lives and improvements in health.. Lol
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on January 18, 2021, 10:34:34 PM
I think that's a bit of thick persons response to pharmacology... Just ignore all the saved lives and improvements in health.. Lol
Isnít it odd that someone who is ďnot keen on putting things inside me without good reasonĒ is quite happy to inhale a toxic cocktail of chemicals numerous times a day known to cause all manner of health problems?
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: G-Unit on January 18, 2021, 11:36:50 PM
Anyone who sees drug producing companies as working hard to help humanity rather than turn a profit is pretty naive imo. GP's, encouraged by these companies, tend to prescribe drugs which don't always help and sometimes actually hurt their patients.
https://www.patrickholford.com/advice/how-gps-are-paid-to-prescribe-ineffective-drugs

I've recently been found to have very high blood pressure and the surprise from healthcare professionals was noticeable when they asked what medicines I was taking and the answer was 'none'. It's quite unusual apparently for someone over 70 to be taking nothing at all.

Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: misty on January 19, 2021, 12:07:51 AM
Isnít it odd that someone who is ďnot keen on putting things inside me without good reasonĒ is quite happy to inhale a toxic cocktail of chemicals numerous times a day known to cause all manner of health problems?

I think the problem is that the world population is actually undergoing a clinical trial stage of the various Covid19 vaccines. There is no gold standard in flu vaccines and afaik all Coronavirus ones under development have never met the required standards for approval. We actually have no idea about the efficacy of these new vaccine, let alone the short or long term effects on those who are already affected by auto-immune & other disorders.
If people think these vaccines are the route back to normality then imo they are very much mistaken. I hope I'm wrong as I shuffle to the very back of the queue.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on January 19, 2021, 07:12:14 AM
Anyone who sees drug producing companies as working hard to help humanity rather than turn a profit is pretty naive imo. GP's, encouraged by these companies, tend to prescribe drugs which don't always help and sometimes actually hurt their patients.
https://www.patrickholford.com/advice/how-gps-are-paid-to-prescribe-ineffective-drugs

I've recently been found to have very high blood pressure and the surprise from healthcare professionals was noticeable when they asked what medicines I was taking and the answer was 'none'. It's quite unusual apparently for someone over 70 to be taking nothing at all.
So you donít think the scientists who worked round the clock to produce a vaccine to fight the coronavirus were driven by anything other than sheer greed?  Wow.  Such breathtaking  cynicism.  Are you taking anything for your very high blood pressure?  I trust you turned down any medication that might help reduce it, you donít want these drug companies to make any more money!
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on January 19, 2021, 07:14:45 AM
I think the problem is that the world population is actually undergoing a clinical trial stage of the various Covid19 vaccines. There is no gold standard in flu vaccines and afaik all Coronavirus ones under development have never met the required standards for approval. We actually have no idea about the efficacy of these new vaccine, let alone the short or long term effects on those who are already affected by auto-immune & other disorders.
If people think these vaccines are the route back to normality then imo they are very much mistaken. I hope I'm wrong as I shuffle to the very back of the queue.
Are you suggesting that the vaccines now being rolled out have not met the required standards for approval?  Do you have a cite?  If they arenít the route back to normality then we are well and truly b....red imo.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: G-Unit on January 19, 2021, 10:20:24 AM
So you donít think the scientists who worked round the clock to produce a vaccine to fight the coronavirus were driven by anything other than sheer greed?  Wow.  Such breathtaking  cynicism.  Are you taking anything for your very high blood pressure?  I trust you turned down any medication that might help reduce it, you donít want these drug companies to make any more money!

Scientists are just people like anyone else and are responsible for discovering and producing both helpful and harmful substances. Producing vaccines is their job, not necessarily something they do for the good of mankind, just like farmers who grow crops for profit, not necessarily to 'feed the world'.

I'm on pills to lower my blood pressure because high blood pressure causes damage. Taking pills is the better opinion, but it's not a good thing to have to do. As always balance is the answer based on informed decisions rather than blind faith in any person or institution; even scientists, doctors and the NHS.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: G-Unit on January 19, 2021, 10:34:06 AM
I think the problem is that the world population is actually undergoing a clinical trial stage of the various Covid19 vaccines. There is no gold standard in flu vaccines and afaik all Coronavirus ones under development have never met the required standards for approval. We actually have no idea about the efficacy of these new vaccine, let alone the short or long term effects on those who are already affected by auto-immune & other disorders.
If people think these vaccines are the route back to normality then imo they are very much mistaken. I hope I'm wrong as I shuffle to the very back of the queue.

Quite so, Misty. I accepted it because of my age and because it might lessen the impact if I do get the virus. If I can avoid being hospitalised I will both for my sake and for the NHS. I hope the vaccine helps to reduce the threat, but only time will tell.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on January 19, 2021, 10:41:15 AM
Scientists are just people like anyone else and are responsible for discovering and producing both helpful and harmful substances. Producing vaccines is their job, not necessarily something they do for the good of mankind, just like farmers who grow crops for profit, not necessarily to 'feed the world'.

I'm on pills to lower my blood pressure because high blood pressure causes damage. Taking pills is the better opinion, but it's not a good thing to have to do. As always balance is the answer based on informed decisions rather than blind faith in any person or institution; even scientists, doctors and the NHS.
Johnson & Johnson and AstraZeneca have pledged to make their vaccines available on a not-for-profit basis, so it's not correct to suggest that all drug companies put profits before people.  But - perhaps we shouldn't always view profit as a bad thing, particularly if it drives innovation and research that results in lives being saved and prolonged (which science and drug companies have without question achieved, for hundreds of millions of people in the last century plus).   
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Mr Gray on January 19, 2021, 10:49:33 AM
Scientists are just people like anyone else and are responsible for discovering and producing both helpful and harmful substances. Producing vaccines is their job, not necessarily something they do for the good of mankind, just like farmers who grow crops for profit, not necessarily to 'feed the world'.

I'm on pills to lower my blood pressure because high blood pressure causes damage. Taking pills is the better opinion, but it's not a good thing to have to do. As always balance is the answer based on informed decisions rather than blind faith in any person or institution; even scientists, doctors and the NHS.

No one can deny that pharmacology  has been overall a force for good. No one is trying to make out it's perfect... It's much to complex a field not to have some problems.  We would be in an awful position if we didn't have the drugs that have been developed ..antibiotics.. Chemo.. The list of life daving drugs is endless
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Mr Gray on January 19, 2021, 05:15:10 PM
Just had mine
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on January 19, 2021, 06:21:53 PM
My father (82) is having his on Friday, my mother (also 82) has not yet been called but sheís now in two minds because of the post-vaccine deaths that have occurred in Norway.  She is a terrible worrywort.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: mrswah on January 20, 2021, 05:32:30 PM
Youíre very fortunate.  My parents who are in their mid 80s both with certain health issues have not had theirs yet nor been given any indication at all of when they are likely to get it.


My aunt and uncle, both in their 90s, have only just received theirs. I suspect it varies, depending upon where you live.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on January 20, 2021, 07:12:53 PM

My aunt and uncle, both in their 90s, have only just received theirs. I suspect it varies, depending upon where you live.
Yep, itís the old postcode lottery in action again.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: G-Unit on January 20, 2021, 07:56:13 PM
Yep, itís the old postcode lottery in action again.

At least money isn't a factor. All supplies are controlled by the NHS and can't be bought privately.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on January 28, 2021, 06:09:52 PM
Both my parents have now been vaccinated, one has had the Pfizer jab, one the Astrazeneca.  My nearly 83 year old mother had to queue outside and then inside an old Debenhams building for the best part of 2 hours to receive hers and though relieved to have had it, the whole process has quite taken it out of her, having to wait standing for all that time.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Erngath on January 28, 2021, 07:26:12 PM
Both my parents have now been vaccinated, one has had the Pfizer jab, one the Astrazeneca.  My nearly 83 year old mother had to queue outside and then inside an old Debenhams building for the best part of 2 hours to receive hers and though relieved to have had it, the whole process has quite taken it out of her, having to wait standing for all that time.

That seems very stressful.
Were your parents not given appointments?
I imagine she will be quite drained by that experience.

We received our letters on Tuesday with our appointment and an explanatory leaflet about the vaccine.
We have been given an exact time to attend and it is indoors in a sports complex nearby.  All our friends and family who are in their seventies received similar letters giving appointments over the next two weeks.  The appointments seem to be from the 1st of February onwards with those who are older having the first appointments.
Ours are for the 13th of February at 3.45 pm........ we're mid seventy...so one of the younger lot.
It all seems very organised...I hope it turns out that way.
Those in their eighties are being vaccinated at their own doctors surgery...our daughter in laws father was vaccinated at his doctors today or at home if thats not possible which was the procedure for my sister in law last week.

Did your mum or dad experience any after effects from the vaccine.



Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on January 28, 2021, 09:31:10 PM
That seems very stressful.
Were your parents not given appointments?
I imagine she will be quite drained by that experience.

We received our letters on Tuesday with our appointment and an explanatory leaflet about the vaccine.
We have been given an exact time to attend and it is indoors in a sports complex nearby.  All our friends and family who are in their seventies received similar letters giving appointments over the next two weeks.  The appointments seem to be from the 1st of February onwards with those who are older having the first appointments.
Ours are for the 13th of February at 3.45 pm........ we're mid seventy...so one of the younger lot.
It all seems very organised...I hope it turns out that way.
Those in their eighties are being vaccinated at their own doctors surgery...our daughter in laws father was vaccinated at his doctors today or at home if thats not possible which was the procedure for my sister in law last week.

Did your mum or dad experience any after effects from the vaccine.
Well my dad didnít, but as my mumís just had it Iíll have to get back to you on that.  She did have an appointment for 1.15pm but got there half an hour early and didnít even get inside the building until 2pm.  Hope your experience is less stressful and arduous.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: G-Unit on January 28, 2021, 09:48:37 PM
That seems very stressful.
Were your parents not given appointments?
I imagine she will be quite drained by that experience.

We received our letters on Tuesday with our appointment and an explanatory leaflet about the vaccine.
We have been given an exact time to attend and it is indoors in a sports complex nearby.  All our friends and family who are in their seventies received similar letters giving appointments over the next two weeks.  The appointments seem to be from the 1st of February onwards with those who are older having the first appointments.
Ours are for the 13th of February at 3.45 pm........ we're mid seventy...so one of the younger lot.
It all seems very organised...I hope it turns out that way.
Those in their eighties are being vaccinated at their own doctors surgery...our daughter in laws father was vaccinated at his doctors today or at home if thats not possible which was the procedure for my sister in law last week.

Did your mum or dad experience any after effects from the vaccine.

I had mine 18th January and had no after-effects. We were all kept there for 15 minutes after the injection just in case.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Erngath on January 28, 2021, 10:45:02 PM
Well my dad didnít, but as my mumís just had it Iíll have to get back to you on that.  She did have an appointment for 1.15pm but got there half an hour early and didnít even get inside the building until 2pm.  Hope your experience is less stressful and arduous.

I hope so.
Possibly the biggest factor which could interfere with the smooth running of the process is the weather.
Snow gone yesterday but back today......
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: Erngath on January 28, 2021, 10:45:37 PM
I had mine 18th January and had no after-effects. We were all kept there for 15 minutes after the injection just in case.
Good to know.
Thank you.
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: sadie on January 29, 2021, 12:07:57 AM
I am not sure if there are any laws prohibiting publishing this.   I think it is rather good and very well explained.   Video:  "How vaccines work"

https://mobile.twitter.com/adamhfinn


Mods/Admin please delete if I am breaking the Law.  TY
Title: Re: Fast-tracking a vaccine
Post by: puglove on January 29, 2021, 07:43:05 AM
Well my dad didnít, but as my mumís just had it Iíll have to get back to you on that.  She did have an appointment for 1.15pm but got there half an hour early and didnít even get inside the building until 2pm.  Hope your experience is less stressful and arduous.

My husband had his first AstraZeneca on Wednesday and felt like crap for 24 hours (he has a few health issues). This morning he feels fine and is as bouncy and annoying as ever.