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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #360 on: June 11, 2020, 08:46:02 AM »

COVID-19 presenting as acute pancreatitis
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7207100/

OK there is a lot of variability of the symptoms presented in Covid 19, so reading this some symptoms matched mine, but the recovery from the acute pancreatitis part even surprised the doctors. 
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Online Eleanor

Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #361 on: June 15, 2020, 04:00:58 PM »

Went shopping today for the first time in three months.  b....r that for a game of soldiers.  I'm exhausted.  And I'm not doing that again in a hurry if I can possibly avoid it.

And my glasses kept on fogging up over the mask, so I couldn't see what I was doing.

Offline Carana

Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #362 on: June 16, 2020, 06:05:55 AM »
What kind of mask do you have, Eleanor - the disposable ones or a cloth one?

I've tried both and prefer the disposable ones as they have a wire at the top which you need to press down over your nose and under the eyes. When glasses fog up, breath is escaping over the top (and presumably the space could let droplets in).


Online Eleanor

Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #363 on: June 16, 2020, 08:58:40 AM »
What kind of mask do you have, Eleanor - the disposable ones or a cloth one?

I've tried both and prefer the disposable ones as they have a wire at the top which you need to press down over your nose and under the eyes. When glasses fog up, breath is escaping over the top (and presumably the space could let droplets in).

I've got both, but it was a cloth one.  Thanks for the tip.

Offline Erngath

Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #364 on: June 16, 2020, 11:35:24 PM »
Put the lid down on the toilet before flushing is the latest advice.
Or so I have just read on the BBC news....must be true!
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #365 on: June 17, 2020, 09:24:53 AM »
"Coronavirus 'major breakthrough' - cheap drug reduces deaths among sickest"
https://youtu.be/T7cY8y5gk5M
" a common steroid called dexamethasone, that costs just £5 for an entire course of treatment, has been shown to cut the risk of death by a third for Covid patients on ventilators."  Amazing!

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Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #366 on: June 17, 2020, 12:39:14 PM »
Put the lid down on the toilet before flushing is the latest advice.
Or so I have just read on the BBC news....must be true!


Well----sensible advice, I would think!

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Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #367 on: June 17, 2020, 12:39:37 PM »
"Coronavirus 'major breakthrough' - cheap drug reduces deaths among sickest"
https://youtu.be/T7cY8y5gk5M
" a common steroid called dexamethasone, that costs just £5 for an entire course of treatment, has been shown to cut the risk of death by a third for Covid patients on ventilators."  Amazing!

Very good news.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #368 on: July 13, 2020, 02:54:40 PM »

PM says face masks ‘should be worn’ in shops

The prime minister said the government would decide in the next few days if "tools of enforcement" were needed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53388444

Having spent the past 5 months not wearing a face mask in shops, & now that the infection rate & death rate is decreasing, isn't it just common sense that now is the time to start enforcing the wearing of masks when shopping??!! *%87

I'm simply not going shopping if I'll be forced to wear a muzzle, I'll do all my shopping online thankyou very much.

And what about the restaurants & pubs, surely these places should have mandatory face mask rules also?
Just keep pulling your mask up every time you take a fork full, then lower your mask whilst chewing.
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Offline Erngath

Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #369 on: July 15, 2020, 08:54:51 PM »
A good day here.
Restaurants, pubs, hairdressers, cinemas and museums now reopened.
No deaths for the past seven days.
Hopefully the good news continues here and elsewhere in the UK.
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Carana

Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #370 on: July 17, 2020, 04:20:01 PM »
A good day here.
Restaurants, pubs, hairdressers, cinemas and museums now reopened.
No deaths for the past seven days.
Hopefully the good news continues here and elsewhere in the UK.

Good news. Just be aware that deaths obviously lag infections - and many can have no or only very mild symptoms.

I'm staying cautious but also getting out a bit.

My rule of thumb is to have a mask and gel handy when out.

I use the mask when going into a confined space (shop, lift, stairwell... ) or when I notice even a small crowd near me.

When I can't wash my hands, I try to remember to use the gel whenever I touch something outside that could be contaminated.

Sometimes I've forgotten, but then I chided myself to help keep up the reflex (a bit like not clicking on dubious email links).

The risk isn't zero, but I find it a common-sense compromise to what may be a new "normal" for a while.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #371 on: August 05, 2020, 09:55:23 PM »
Testing positive via an intranasal test is a matter of getting a test done when the virus is in your nose.  That is only in the early stages of the disease.  At the time there was no testing being done, and they just told us to self-isolate, which I did.
In May I did submit to a intranasal test which was negative.  The virus was in my lungs, liver, pancreas, blood vessels by then.  There was no routine test for that, so for two days I was in a general ward in the hospital.

“long-haulers.”  is the term being used.  There is the number of infections, those that die, those that recover, and then there are thousands who have a chronic illness.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/06/covid-19-coronavirus-longterm-symptoms-months/612679/

Reading that article sounds just like my case, but I got to the point of just about dying of it.

"Yet support groups on Slack and Facebook host thousands of people like LeClerc, who say they have been wrestling with serious COVID-19 symptoms for at least a month, if not two or three. Some call themselves “long-termers” or “long-haulers.”"

I was aware of the "long hauler" condition even before the term was used on the internet.   I was beginning to wonder if there were people who never get over it.  I imagine there are.  Some of those that have been on these ventilators, who have had strokes, suffered damaged kidneys, pulmonary embolisms and strained hearts will be permanently damaged.

I have a feeling the chronic cases will be an additional burden on the health system.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #372 on: August 16, 2020, 12:47:20 PM »
If these figures are right (and I believe they will be vindicated by hard research), the Government’s flailing panic killed two people for every three who died of coronavirus – and that is assuming the Covid death figures are not inflated.



PETER HITCHENS: My suspicion is that the wrecking of the economy and the state-sponsored panic of these times has killed more people than Covid ever did

Actually, I have had enough. So should you have had enough. The time has come for real discontent, or there will be no end to our mistreatment and humiliation by this Government.

To call these people incompetent would be to pay them an over-generous compliment. We shall see in a minute what might be a better word.

This is not personal grievance. By great good fortune, I managed a swift holiday a few weeks ago, and was not caught by any sudden Government panic measure, though the holiday itself, in places I love, was a sad shadow of what it would once have been. So my anger about the crazy quarantining of travellers to France is not self-interested.

This heartless smashing of the simple pleasures of thousands is a futile act of spite. Do you know how many people officially died of Covid-19 in France during the past week? Fewer than 80.

In April, official deaths in that country peaked at more than 1,400 in a single day.

These figures of so-called ‘cases’ mean nothing except that the authorities have been looking harder for such cases, and finding them, even though the people involved are usually not ill.

A similar panic in New Zealand concerns an outbreak in which (at the last count) one person was in hospital.

Everything about the figures we are given has been fraudulent and wrong. We will never know how many people were listed as Covid deaths in this country, whose true cause of death was something else.

The rules on classifying them were shockingly lax, and almost no post-mortems were held, so we can never check. But the London Government was last week forced to admit that for some time its official death figures have been a wild overstatement of the facts.

Somehow this colossal event was pushed on to inside pages and way down BBC bulletins, but let me tell you the UK’s total death toll has been revised down from 46,706 to 41,329, a fall of 5,377. That, as you might have noticed, is an error of more than ten per cent, a huge admission.

They were forced into this by the brilliant forensic work of Professor Carl Heneghan and his brave colleagues at Oxford’s Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, which showed that the previous figures were so loose that they could have included car-crash victims who once tested positive for Covid.

Even the fatuous Health Commissar Matt Hancock had to accept that for months, his department had been publishing bilge as if it was information.

I promise you here that, when sanity and respect for facts once again resume their reign in this country (if they ever do), then it will prove to be far worse than that.

My suspicion is that the wrecking of the economy and the state-sponsored panic of these times has killed more people than Covid ever did, and the research on this is piling up too, though the BBC would prefer not to mention that either.

A paper submitted to the Government’s own scientific advisory group, SAGE, estimated that 16,000 people had died up to May 1, thanks to missed medical care following the shutdown of the country. They suggested another 26,000 could die by next March for the same reason.

If these figures are right (and I believe they will be vindicated by hard research), the Government’s flailing panic killed two people for every three who died of coronavirus – and that is assuming the Covid death figures are not inflated.

The scale of this error is so great that the mind turns away from it. Add to it the slow but relentless destruction of the economy and the catastrophe in the schools, and you have even more to weep over.

Bit by bit, people are finding out what a recession actually means in terms of lost jobs, busted businesses and ravaged pensions. This is all now inevitable, and only weeks away. Meanwhile, thousands of teenagers have been robbed of an essential part of their education, which they can never get back.

Thanks to bungles piled on top of folly, they now face stupid injustice, broken hopes and the cold face of bureaucracy. Those responsible for this have a terrible load on their consciences.

Back in March, their famous SAGE committee produced a document, ‘Options for increasing adherence to social distancing measures’. It concluded that we were not yet frightened enough.

It said: ‘A substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened.’ So we needed to be scared into compliance.

It recommended: ‘The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard-hitting emotional messaging.’

So the hidden persuaders went to work with their doom-laden warnings, their house arrest, their claims that we are all toxic to each other, and their swollen death tolls.

Now they seek to keep up the anxiety levels by trying to make us wear loose, soggy muzzles.

And here we are, perhaps for ever, unless we begin to show a bit of spirit. Remember how we used to boast about how unflappable we were, with our ‘Keep calm and carry on’ posters.

Well, we are not unflappable. We have been well and truly flapped, and this is the price you pay for it.

https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2020/08/peter-hitchens-my-suspicion-is-that-the-wrecking-of-the-economy-and-the-state-sponsored-panic-of-the.html
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Offline misty

Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #373 on: August 21, 2020, 11:57:56 PM »
Quick question here:-
If a person has had a positive Covid19 antibody blood test in the last few months, why do they have to quarantine when they return from France/Spain but not Oldham?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is the Coronavirus threat being overegged?
« Reply #374 on: August 25, 2020, 12:34:47 AM »
Quick question here:-
If a person has had a positive Covid19 antibody blood test in the last few months, why do they have to quarantine when they return from France/Spain but not Oldham?
It would be a lot harder to traceback from a foreign country.
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