Fast-tracking a vaccine

[Carana]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-has-mutated-into-more-than-30-strains-say-scientists-in-china-11976380

IMO any vaccine developed will be about as effect as the flu vaccine. I had terrible flu last New Year  and previously in Dec 2018 - after the first 2 flu vaccines I'd had in my lifetime. Given the haste in which various governments want Covid 19 mass vaccination implemented, I will be very reluctant to have the jab.

Ah. OK.

I was vaccinated /booster jabbed for all sorts of things some decades back. My memory of bad reactions meant that I was really reluctant to even get a flu jab. I was eventually "heavily encouraged" into getting one for the sake of someone I was caring for. No side effects, all fine.

I haven't had one since, though. TBH, until recently, it hadn't really dawned on me that it wasn't just to protect myself but others who may have a weaker immune system.

Pending a COVID-19 jab, yes, I think I'll have a regular flu jab - as that could save time for medics (and patients) to distinguish between the two this coming winter.

[Brietta]

I've only been popping in occasionally for quite a while - any link to a thread to find what Misty said? Hope she's ok.

Sorry Carana, my bad ... I had just read it so it was fresh in my mind http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11421.msg585236#msg585236

[Brietta]

Ah. OK.

I was vaccinated /booster jabbed for all sorts of things some decades back. My memory of bad reactions meant that I was really reluctant to even get a flu jab. I was eventually "heavily encouraged" into getting one for the sake of someone I was caring for. No side effects, all fine.

I haven't had one since, though. TBH, until recently, it hadn't really dawned on me that it wasn't just to protect myself but others who may have a weaker immune system.

Pending a COVID-19 jab, yes, I think I'll have a regular flu jab - as that could save time for medics (and patients) to distinguish between the two this coming winter.

I see you managed to find it without me.

That was always what I thought of as 'herd immunity' and why it was 'acceptable' to have a few vaccine damaged children for the greater good.  Vaccination definitely proved its worth regarding TB inoculation although I didn't get that one either as a result of my pre jag test proving positive and I was sent for X-ray instead.

I've just googled why that should have been (The tuberculin skin test/Mantoux test https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/when-is-bcg-tb-vaccine-needed/) and apparently there might have been an adverse reaction to inoculation)
One wonders if that might be the same for anyone already infected with Covid-19 without knowing it, if there isn't a pre-inoculation test carried out as was done with me for TB as a child all those many long years ago.

[Carana]

Early on, medics said that a flu jab would have no effect on Covid-19 as it was new (cf any clip attempting to rebut Trump from a few months ago).

AFAIK, they don't seem to have changed their minds.

For the moment, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be fighting the flu and get infected with COVID at around the same time.

[barrier]

Theres side effects it seems.



ONE of the first people to take part in a coronavirus vaccine trial has revealed to ITV's Good Morning Britain the side effects that he has been told to expect.

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1272897/coronavirus-vaccine-trial-side-effects-COVID19-cases-pandemic-latest-news-update

Other news outlets are availible.

[Mr Gray]

Theres side effects it seems.



ONE of the first people to take part in a coronavirus vaccine trial has revealed to ITV's Good Morning Britain the side effects that he has been told to expect.

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1272897/coronavirus-vaccine-trial-side-effects-COVID19-cases-pandemic-latest-news-update

Other news outlets are availible.

It's more about pt consent imo... You have to prepare and warn patients about the worst case scenario.. The papers then make a story out of it

[Carana]

Not vaccine-related, but one of the possible treatments involves hydroxychloroquine. I'm not in either camp, I'm just interested in the facts.

In trying to find out more about it, I've come across what I see as heated emotional  "for / against" camps in several countries, which has made my nose twitch.

My disclaimer is that, despite my best efforts, when Trump systematically promotes something I get suspicious.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/22/rick-bright-trump-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus

[Carana]

A bit of hopeful news for a change.


Medics fighting COVID-19 in a hospital in Cheshire seem to have cut mortality rates and improved the chances of a quick recovery from the virus by adapting their breathing machines normally used for a sleeping disorder.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-hospital-cuts-covid-19-death-rates-with-black-boxes-for-sleep-disorder-11977789

[Mr Gray]

A bit of hopeful news for a change.


Medics fighting COVID-19 in a hospital in Cheshire seem to have cut mortality rates and improved the chances of a quick recovery from the virus by adapting their breathing machines normally used for a sleeping disorder.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-hospital-cuts-covid-19-death-rates-with-black-boxes-for-sleep-disorder-11977789

[Mr Gray]

A bit of hopeful news for a change.


Medics fighting COVID-19 in a hospital in Cheshire seem to have cut mortality rates and improved the chances of a quick recovery from the virus by adapting their breathing machines normally used for a sleeping disorder.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-hospital-cuts-covid-19-death-rates-with-black-boxes-for-sleep-disorder-11977789

This is very old news... Afaik they have been using them from the off.. I even tried to buy one about 6 weeks, ago.. It's called CPAP


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11284.msg581485#msg581485

[Carana]

This is very old news... Afaik they have been using them from the off.. I even tried to buy one about 6 weeks, ago.. It's called CPAP


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11284.msg581485#msg581485

The black boxes aren't the CPAP ones, as they'd run out of those as well, but ones that they use for sleep apnoea, based on the same principle.

[Mr Gray]

The black boxes aren't the CPAP ones, as they'd run out of those as well, but ones that they use for sleep apnoea, based on the same principle.

CPAP machines, are used for sleep apnoea..at  home...

they are mentioned here 6th april...nearly 3 weeks ago
6 April 2020
We are about a week away from the estimated peak of the epidemic. Our mainstay of treatment is to simply keep patients breathing, and two issues are preoccupying us - ventilators and oxygen.

It's become clear that the UK is pretty low down the international ventilator league table. Although we put in hasty orders for more, there appears to be a bit of a run on them, and we're worried that our order won't arrive in time to meet the Covid-19 peak.

However, there is growing evidence that a simple machine used by patients with sleep apnoea (snoring and interrupted breathing) in their own bedrooms can be an effective alternative. And Dr Tom Lawton, one of our ingenious intensive care consultants, has managed to get his hands on 100 of them from a local manufacturer.

[Venturi Swirl]

Who needs a vaccine when according to The Donald some sunshine and a needle full of disinfectant into the veins should sort it all out.

[Brietta]

Who needs a vaccine when according to The Donald some sunshine and a needle full of disinfectant into the veins should sort it all out.

I think there is a fair chance that such action certainly would 'sort it all out' ... let's not all shove each other out of the queue to be first to try it.

[Carana]

Someone already died in the States after The Quack first mentioned (hydroxy)chloroquine: he and his wife discovered that a cleaner used for their fish tank had chloroquine phosphate in it and drank it. The wife survived.