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Offline Heriberto Janosch

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2655 on: March 03, 2014, 08:01:40 AM »
In the following article the author forgets that the Ocean Club driver and the Euclides Monteiro stories were published in the Portuguese media for the first time!   

http://www.ionline.pt/artigos/portugal/maddie-pj-avisa-ingleses-nao-quer-ver-investigacao-nos-jornais/pag/-1


Por Carlos Diogo Santos
publicado em 3 Mar 2014

Os inspectores da PJ salientam que na "cooperação internacional não há espaço para estados de espírito"

As diferentes estratégias de comunicação entre as autoridades portuguesa e britânicas no caso Maddie estão a incomodar a PJ. O desconforto chegou ao ponto de a Judiciária avisar a Metropolitan Police que se recusa a fazer a investigação através dos jornais. Desde que a polícia inglesa decidiu investigar por conta própria o desaparecimento de Madeleine McCann que a imprensa inglesa passou a divulgar com frequência informações sobre as diligências em curso. Boa parte destas notícias acabou por se revelar infundada, afastando cada vez mais a possibilidade de uma cooperação com a PJ. Em causa está o facto de as duas polícias terem linhas de investigação diferentes e também as políticas de comunicação serem opostas, confirmaram ao i alguns inspectores, que preferiram não se identificar.

Segundo fontes conhecedoras do processo, a PJ terá já informado as congéneres britânicas que "quer continuar a fazer a sua investigação no processo e não nos jornais". Uma chamada de atenção para deixar claro que não querem que as fontes da polícia inglesa se pronunciem sobre supostos factos da investigação portuguesa. Até porque, segundo dizem, é algo que os britânicos não conhecem. Em Portugal está em curso uma investigação conduzida por uma equipa do Porto, mas são elementos da PJ de Portimão que têm respondido às cartas rogatórias enviadas pelos ingleses, ou seja, os pedidos de auxílio à investigação de Londres.

A estratégia dos portugueses - de não tornar públicas informações sobre a sua investigação - era já do conhecimento dos britânicos, mas algumas notícias citando fontes anónimas da Metropolitan Police terão forçado este aviso. "A PJ vai continuar com a necessária discrição, o que é do conhecimento da sua congénere britânica. A comunicação social está fora da nossa equação durante a investigação. E se nunca foi dito que há suspeitos é porque não há nada suficientemente forte", esclareceu fonte policial.

Ainda na última semana foi publicada uma notícia em Portugal dando conta de que os ingleses tinham recebido da Judiciária um dossiê secreto sobre assaltantes que viviam no Algarve e que poderiam até já ter cometido crimes contra crianças. Ao i, a mesma fonte garante que essa informação é falsa: "Não foi entregue qualquer dossiê secreto à Metropolitan Police." Outro elemento próximo do processo explicou, porém, que aquilo a que os britânicos chamaram dossiê secreto pode não passar da lista de pessoas com cadastro que residiam próximo da Praia da Luz e que a PJ enviou no âmbito do cumprimento de uma carta rogatória.

Nos últimos meses, os media ingleses noticiaram cada suspeito da Scotland Yard, publicaram os retratos robô da polícia - que o i revelou terem sido feitos afinal por detectives pagos pelos pais da criança - e trouxeram a público o envio das três cartas rogatórias dos investigadores ingleses antes de as autoridades portuguesas tomarem conhecimento desses pedidos de auxílio internacional.

Foi feita uma reconstituição da noite do crime - que não foi filmada em Portugal - e transmitida em Inglaterra, Alemanha e Holanda. Após as "milhares de pistas" que a Metropolitan Police disse aos media ter recebido na sequência da emissão dos programas de televisão, a estratégia continua a ser o rastreamento de telemóveis dos que estavam perto do aldeamento Ocean Club na noite de 3 de Maio de 2007, dia em que a criança desapareceu.

Para os elementos da PJ contactados pelo i, estes comportamentos não vão afectar a cooperação entre as duas polícias. "As rogatórias serão cumpridas da forma mais empenhada possível, porque na cooperação internacional não há espaço para estados de espírito", rematou fonte da PJ.


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Offline Heriberto Janosch

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2656 on: March 03, 2014, 08:04:36 AM »
Translated by Google:

The PJ inspectors state that the " international cooperation there is no room for states of mind "

Different communication strategies between the Portuguese and British authorities in Maddie case are bothering PJ . The discomfort went so far as to warn Judicial Metropolitan Police who refuses to do research through newspapers . Since the British police decided to investigate on their own the disappearance of Madeleine McCann that the British press began to publish frequently about the ongoing efforts . Much of this news turned out to be unfounded , diverging from the possibility of cooperation with the PJ . At issue is the fact that the two police forces have different lines of research and also communication policies are opposite, confirmed by some inspectors , who preferred to remain anonymous .

According to knowledgeable sources in the process, the PJ have already informed the British counterparts that " wants to continue to do your research on the process and not in the newspapers ." A caution to make it clear they do not want the English police sources speak out about alleged facts of the Portuguese investigation . Because, they say , is something that the British did not know . In Portugal there is an ongoing conducted by a team from Oporto investigation, but are elements of the PJ of Portimão who have responded to letters rogatory sent by the British, ie , applications for aid for research from London .

The strategy of the Portuguese - not to make public information about their research - was already known to the British, but some reports citing anonymous sources have forced the Metropolitan Police this notice . " The PJ will continue with the necessary discretion , which is aware of its British counterpart . The media is out of our equation during the investigation . And it was never said that there is suspicious because there is nothing strong enough ," explained police source .

Yet last week a report was published in Portugal realizing that the English had received from a secret dossier on Judicial burglars who lived in the Algarve and that might have even committed crimes against children. When i , the same source ensures that this information is false : " . Was not any secret dossier delivered to the Metropolitan Police" Another next element of the process explained , however, that what the British called secret dossier can not pass the list of people joined who lived near the Praia da Luz and that PJ sent in fulfilling a letter rogatory .

In recent months , the British media reported every suspicious Scotland Yard published the robot portraits police - hi revealed that they were made by detectives ultimately paid by the parents of the child - and brought the audience to send the three letters rogatory of English investigators before the Portuguese authorities become aware of these requests for international assistance .

That was not filmed in Portugal - - ​​and broadcast in England, Germany and the Netherlands a reconstruction of the night of the crime was taken . After the " thousands of clues " that the Metropolitan Police told the media he had received following the issue of television programs , the strategy remains the tracking of mobile phones that were near the Ocean Club resort on the night of May 3, 2007 , the day the child disappeared .

For the elements of PJ contacted by i , these behaviors will not affect cooperation between the two police forces . " The rogatory will be fulfilled in the most committed as possible because international cooperation there is no room for states of mind ," concluded the source of PJ .
« Last Edit: March 03, 2014, 08:10:02 AM by Heriberto Janosch »

stephen25000

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Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2657 on: March 03, 2014, 08:13:17 AM »
Translated by Google:

The PJ inspectors state that the " international cooperation there is no room for states of mind "

Different communication strategies between the Portuguese and British authorities in Maddie case are bothering PJ . The discomfort went so far as to warn Judicial Metropolitan Police who refuses to do research through newspapers . Since the British police decided to investigate on their own the disappearance of Madeleine McCann that the British press began to publish frequently about the ongoing efforts . Much of this news turned out to be unfounded , diverging from the possibility of cooperation with the PJ . At issue is the fact that the two police forces have different lines of research and also communication policies are opposite, confirmed by some inspectors , who preferred to remain anonymous .

According to knowledgeable sources in the process, the PJ have already informed the British counterparts that " wants to continue to do your research on the process and not in the newspapers ." A caution to make it clear they do not want the English police sources speak out about alleged facts of the Portuguese investigation . Because, they say , is something that the British did not know . In Portugal there is an ongoing conducted by a team from Oporto investigation, but are elements of the PJ of Portimão who have responded to letters rogatory sent by the British, ie , applications for aid for research from London .

The strategy of the Portuguese - not to make public information about their research - was already known to the British, but some reports citing anonymous sources have forced the Metropolitan Police this notice . " The PJ will continue with the necessary discretion , which is aware of its British counterpart . The media is out of our equation during the investigation . And it was never said that there is suspicious because there is nothing strong enough ," explained police source .

Yet last week a report was published in Portugal realizing that the English had received from a secret dossier on Judicial burglars who lived in the Algarve and that might have even committed crimes against children. When i , the same source ensures that this information is false : " . Was not any secret dossier delivered to the Metropolitan Police" Another next element of the process explained , however, that what the British called secret dossier can not pass the list of people joined who lived near the Praia da Luz and that PJ sent in fulfilling a letter rogatory .

In recent months , the British media reported every suspicious Scotland Yard published the robot portraits police - hi revealed that they were made by detectives ultimately paid by the parents of the child - and brought the audience to send the three letters rogatory of English investigators before the Portuguese authorities become aware of these requests for international assistance .

That was not filmed in Portugal - - ​​and broadcast in England, Germany and the Netherlands a reconstruction of the night of the crime was taken . After the " thousands of clues " that the Metropolitan Police told the media he had received following the issue of television programs , the strategy remains the tracking of mobile phones that were near the Ocean Club resort on the night of May 3, 2007 , the day the child disappeared .

For the elements of PJ contacted by i , these behaviors will not affect cooperation between the two police forces . " The rogatory will be fulfilled in the most committed as possible because international cooperation there is no room for states of mind ," concluded the source of PJ .

Meanwhile, in the real world.

What evidence is there that will reveal the fate of Madeleine ?

Offline xtina

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2658 on: March 03, 2014, 11:22:14 AM »


A very interesting article in the latest news section of the McCann files website.....no secret dossier re burglars etc etc....
leads given out by the MSM seem to be false,....


http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

Estuarine

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Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2659 on: March 03, 2014, 11:35:48 AM »

A very interesting article in the latest news section of the McCann files website.....no secret dossier re burglars etc etc....
leads given out by the MSM seem to be false,....



http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html

Oh what a surprise!

Offline Luz

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2660 on: March 03, 2014, 11:42:58 AM »
In the following article the author forgets that the Ocean Club driver and the Euclides Monteiro stories were published in the Portuguese media for the first time!   

http://www.ionline.pt/artigos/portugal/maddie-pj-avisa-ingleses-nao-quer-ver-investigacao-nos-jornais/pag/-1


Por Carlos Diogo Santos
publicado em 3 Mar 2014

Os inspectores da PJ salientam que na "cooperação internacional não há espaço para estados de espírito"

As diferentes estratégias de comunicação entre as autoridades portuguesa e britânicas no caso Maddie estão a incomodar a PJ. O desconforto chegou ao ponto de a Judiciária avisar a Metropolitan Police que se recusa a fazer a investigação através dos jornais. Desde que a polícia inglesa decidiu investigar por conta própria o desaparecimento de Madeleine McCann que a imprensa inglesa passou a divulgar com frequência informações sobre as diligências em curso. Boa parte destas notícias acabou por se revelar infundada, afastando cada vez mais a possibilidade de uma cooperação com a PJ. Em causa está o facto de as duas polícias terem linhas de investigação diferentes e também as políticas de comunicação serem opostas, confirmaram ao i alguns inspectores, que preferiram não se identificar.

Segundo fontes conhecedoras do processo, a PJ terá já informado as congéneres britânicas que "quer continuar a fazer a sua investigação no processo e não nos jornais". Uma chamada de atenção para deixar claro que não querem que as fontes da polícia inglesa se pronunciem sobre supostos factos da investigação portuguesa. Até porque, segundo dizem, é algo que os britânicos não conhecem. Em Portugal está em curso uma investigação conduzida por uma equipa do Porto, mas são elementos da PJ de Portimão que têm respondido às cartas rogatórias enviadas pelos ingleses, ou seja, os pedidos de auxílio à investigação de Londres.

A estratégia dos portugueses - de não tornar públicas informações sobre a sua investigação - era já do conhecimento dos britânicos, mas algumas notícias citando fontes anónimas da Metropolitan Police terão forçado este aviso. "A PJ vai continuar com a necessária discrição, o que é do conhecimento da sua congénere britânica. A comunicação social está fora da nossa equação durante a investigação. E se nunca foi dito que há suspeitos é porque não há nada suficientemente forte", esclareceu fonte policial.

Ainda na última semana foi publicada uma notícia em Portugal dando conta de que os ingleses tinham recebido da Judiciária um dossiê secreto sobre assaltantes que viviam no Algarve e que poderiam até já ter cometido crimes contra crianças. Ao i, a mesma fonte garante que essa informação é falsa: "Não foi entregue qualquer dossiê secreto à Metropolitan Police." Outro elemento próximo do processo explicou, porém, que aquilo a que os britânicos chamaram dossiê secreto pode não passar da lista de pessoas com cadastro que residiam próximo da Praia da Luz e que a PJ enviou no âmbito do cumprimento de uma carta rogatória.

Nos últimos meses, os media ingleses noticiaram cada suspeito da Scotland Yard, publicaram os retratos robô da polícia - que o i revelou terem sido feitos afinal por detectives pagos pelos pais da criança - e trouxeram a público o envio das três cartas rogatórias dos investigadores ingleses antes de as autoridades portuguesas tomarem conhecimento desses pedidos de auxílio internacional.

Foi feita uma reconstituição da noite do crime - que não foi filmada em Portugal - e transmitida em Inglaterra, Alemanha e Holanda. Após as "milhares de pistas" que a Metropolitan Police disse aos media ter recebido na sequência da emissão dos programas de televisão, a estratégia continua a ser o rastreamento de telemóveis dos que estavam perto do aldeamento Ocean Club na noite de 3 de Maio de 2007, dia em que a criança desapareceu.

Para os elementos da PJ contactados pelo i, estes comportamentos não vão afectar a cooperação entre as duas polícias. "As rogatórias serão cumpridas da forma mais empenhada possível, porque na cooperação internacional não há espaço para estados de espírito", rematou fonte da PJ.

Congratulo-o por publicar o artigo no original.

Deixe-me desde já apontar 3 erros.
1. A PJ do Porto foi somente responsável pela revisão.
2. Para a investigação entretanto reaberta foi nomeada uma outra equipa, pela Procuradoria Geral da República e Direcção Nacional da PJ, a operar a partir de Lisboa, mas com assento em Faro e Portimão.
3. A equipa da PJ que assiste NSY, é um grupo de 6 operacionais localizados em FARO que responde ao Procurador nomeado para tratar das rogatórias provenientes do Reino Unido.

O espectáculo de televisão (Crimewatch) promovido pela BBC, foi totalmente desvalorizado pelas entidades oficiais, como tinha sido o anterior, por não obedecerem ao que legalmente é considerado uma reconstituição.

Traduza, já que é tão hábil.


I congratulate you for publishing the original article.

Let me point out three errors already.

1. The Porto PJ were only responsible for the review.
2. To reopen the investigation, another team was set up by the Attorney General's Office and the PJ National Director, to operate from Lisbon, but with bases in Faro and Portimão.
3. The PJ team assisting NSY, is a group of 6 operating out of FARO and answerable to the prosecutor appointed to handle the rogatory letters from the UK.

The television show (Crimewatch) promoted by the BBC, has been completely devalued by official bodies, as had been the earlier, for not obeying what is legally considered a reconstruction.   

Translate, since you're so skilled.
« Last Edit: March 05, 2014, 05:42:02 AM by John »

Offline Luz

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2661 on: March 03, 2014, 11:45:02 AM »
It looks like these files were only secret to the public, but not to the McCanns.. They are mentioned in Kate's book:
So, according to Kate, these are in the files.. but I guess not released to the public..


Excuse me, the picture you used.

THIS is FARO HEADQUARTERS.


[.... corrected....]
« Last Edit: March 05, 2014, 04:42:06 AM by John »

Offline Luz

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2662 on: March 03, 2014, 11:48:49 AM »

A very interesting article in the latest news section of the McCann files website.....no secret dossier re burglars etc etc....
leads given out by the MSM seem to be false,....


http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html


There is no secret burglars dossier.

Only after Madeleine was dead did "strange" people come out with wild allegations that they saw swarthy people that could be burglars...not a single official complaint ever filed with the authorities.

Offline xtina

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2663 on: March 03, 2014, 12:08:53 PM »
it shows  the difference between both police forces and how they operate......the Portuguese appear totally professional and unbiased, ours appear like unprofessional clowns...IMO the Portuguese are more to be trusted ....than sy or the mccs
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

Offline VIXTE

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2664 on: March 03, 2014, 12:20:50 PM »
it shows  the difference between both police forces and how they operate......the Portuguese appear totally professional and unbiased, ours appear like unprofessional clowns...IMO the Portuguese are more to be trusted ....than sy or the mccs

What you are talking about? The tractorman was first mention in PT media.. the Ocean Club suspects staff was first mentioned in PT media, SY arriving in PT photos and videos are all PT made.. this news in not from the UK..

So, the PJ is not leaking the info?

Estuarine

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Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2665 on: March 03, 2014, 12:22:07 PM »
it shows  the difference between both police forces and how they operate......the Portuguese appear totally professional and unbiased, ours appear like unprofessional clowns...IMO the Portuguese are more to be trusted ....than sy or the mccs

That may be something to with the difference in principle of the legal systems. The English system is adversarial with the objective of obtaining a conviction. The Portuguese is inquisitorial with the objective of finding the truth. They should both end up with same result but...............

Offline Luz

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2666 on: March 03, 2014, 12:24:55 PM »
What you are talking about? The tractorman was first mention in PT media.. the Ocean Club suspects staff was first mentioned in PT media, SY arriving in PT photos and videos are all PT made.. this news in not from the UK..

So, the PJ is not leaking the info?


Do you mean that all the shyte that UK Media publishes is leaked from NSY and so the same happens with PT Media?

Offline VIXTE

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2667 on: March 03, 2014, 12:30:55 PM »

Excuse me, the picture you used.

THIS is FARO HEADQUARTERS.

I did not use any photo..
The fact is that files about attacks on the British children, where they are named exist as a part of original PJ files but this info was not provided to public. So, people in here say 'nah, the child abuses and burglaries are a myth, it never existed.. when actually it did happen.. tourist children were attacked in the Algarve in their bedrooms while their parents slept in another room.. there is a record of 5 cases as per Kate's book..

So, McCanns had this info in their hands, if they were so bad, why didn't they leak it.. why Clarence Mitchell never leaked this?


Offline Luz

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2668 on: March 03, 2014, 12:32:48 PM »
Unfortunately bad journalism is Universal nowadays.

The old ethics where you didn't publish without confronting with the source is gone.   Journals publish shyte most of the time, and especially fabricated lies that they expect to be commercial.

Inferring that PJ is leaking is equivalent to accepting that NSY fed the stupid news the UK MSM has been feeding us for the last 3 months. I tend to have a little more respect for a police force that, so far, has not proved its value - but that I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt.

Offline Luz

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2669 on: March 03, 2014, 12:35:58 PM »
I did not use any photo..
The fact is that files about attacks on the British children, where they are named exist as a part of original PJ files but this info was not provided to public. So, people in here say 'nah, the child abuses and burglaries are a myth, it never existed.. when actually it did happen.. tourist children were attacked in the Algarve in their bedrooms while their parents slept in another room.. there is a record of 5 cases as per Kate's book..

So, McCanns had this info in their hands, if they were so bad, why didn't they leak it.. why Clarence Mitchell never leaked this?


You are right. It was Johns photo from the post that you quoted. I'm sorry.

That is a total falsehood. No British children were ever attacked, other than a british girl 9 years before Madeleine, and that was abused by a friend of the family(another british).

Those faked cases that Kate McCann had the effrontery of mentioning in her book never happened. That is all fabrications to sell the abduction theory.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2014, 12:40:43 PM by Luz »