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Offline colombosstogey

Re: Child abduction in Portugal and beyond - is it really so prevalent?
« Reply #180 on: March 08, 2014, 06:51:58 AM »
The OP is about prevalence of abduction in Portugal and not about the probability of abduction from bed in Europe.

EXACTLY, so from the stats it is safe in Portugal for children, not like the UK.

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Re: Child abduction in Portugal and beyond - is it really so prevalent?
« Reply #181 on: March 08, 2014, 07:44:27 AM »
The PJ site lists the persons reported missing.
3 missing children in 10 years ! Since the Guinean little girl is supposed to have died in a car crash in Spain, though the PJ doesn't seem to believe it, perhaps 2,  one of them being Madeleine McCann, the only abducted one, the other one having been  abducted by her own father (and not from bed).

So that's three children, v's over sixteen million.

No, child abduction in Portugal is not so prevalent.

Offline Carana

Re: Child abduction in Portugal and beyond - is it really so prevalent?
« Reply #182 on: March 08, 2014, 09:35:13 AM »
The PJ site lists the persons reported missing.
3 missing children in 10 years ! Since the Guinean little girl is supposed to have died in a car crash in Spain, though the PJ doesn't seem to believe it, perhaps 2,  one of them being Madeleine McCann, the only abducted one, the other one having been  abducted by her own father (and not from bed).

It doesn't seem to be updated regularly. What are the criteria for the PJ to list a missing child on that page? When a crime is suspected? Or when a missing child has been reported to any of PT's police forces?

There are children on the PT missing child site http://www.ap-cd.pt/pages/menores18 who don't appear on the PJ one. From a quick glance, even that association seems to concentrate on presumed abductions (the ones I've glanced at are presumed to be parental), rather than on children whose whereabouts are temporarily unknown.

https://en-gb.facebook.com/criancas.desaparecidas.pt


Offline Carana

Re: Child abduction in Portugal and beyond - is it really so prevalent?
« Reply #183 on: March 08, 2014, 09:50:55 AM »
https://en-gb.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=627527103962090&set=a.204495169598621.50965.199371593444312&type=1&theater

I'm afraid that I'm not a subscriber to DN and can't access the original to offer a googletranslate link, but the headline says that no one knows where 19 children abducted by their parents are. The article is dated 25 Jan 2014.

Whether they are confirmed as parental abductions or not, Anne has counted the number of children on the PJ site, and there weren't 19 of them.

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Re: Child abduction in Portugal and beyond - is it really so prevalent?
« Reply #184 on: March 08, 2014, 10:37:33 AM »
Google doesn't like FB and is refusing to translate from links. The "Encontre David" FB page has copied out the original article which was posted as an image.

As Googletranslate isn't accurate at the best of times, I've posted both.

( NEWS - p3 Daily News - 25/01/2014 ) " Nobody knows where 19 children are abducted by parents " - DRAMA parental abductions are the main cause of missing children up to 9 years . Of the 54 who are at large , 19 were taken by the father or mother

David's face , a 6 year old boy , son of a Portuguese father and Polish mother , will circulate throughout Europe starting this weekend as part of an international campaign launched by her father , with the support of the Portuguese Association of Parents Missing Children ( APCD ), so that might help you find the kidnapped child by the mother , Portuguese ( see box at right ) . David is one of 19 Portuguese children, in the age group 0 to 9 years , which is missing , according to the APCD .

" Parental abductions are the main cause of the disappearance of babies and younger children ," said the president of the DN APCD , Patricia Cipriano . According to the data of the association , 54 cases of missing children are unresolved in Portugal , 35 % of which ( 19 cases ) are parental abductions .

There were four children and adolescents aged 10 to 17 who were abducted by strangers , according to figures compiled by the APCD , but none recorded in the range of 0 to 9 years . In young adults over 18 years the association knows of eight cases of abduction by strangers.

Leaks, " very common in adolescents," said Patricia Cipriano as were four starring children and adolescents 10 to 17 years. Two happened to people over 18 . The APCD accounts still lost two minors between 10 and 17 years .

The abduction of infants and children up to 9 years played by strangers has not been very frequent in Portugal . " Cases like Daniel , the Madeiran baby (see text above) , is suspected of rape , are very rare . In association parents of children who have disappeared in unexplained circumstances , as was the case of Rui Pedro and others, but in recent years we have no record of similar situations with babies and younger children , "says Patricia Cipriano .

If he were alive today would Rui Pedro 26 years. About where the boy disappeared Lousada in 1998 , 11 years , there have been several theories , none so far with effective results . The process of kidnapping was reopened nearly a decade and a half after his disappearance . Afonso Dias , the last person to have seen the lowest alive , was condemned by the ratio to three years and six months in prison last year for the kidnapping , but one question remains unanswered : where is Rui Pedro ?

In 2012 , according to official figures PJ , disappeared 85 children from 0 to 9 years , 2.07 % of 2366 children and young people missing this year . The age group with the most missing was 15 to 18 years, with 1677 cases , 40.6 % of the total. Followed by the range of 13 to 14 years , with 514 cases ( 12.55% of total) . From 10 to 12 years, there were 90 cases in 2012 , or 2.20% of the total. " The APCD receives on average 20 to 30 cases per year in the trails and subtractions or sequestration smaller majority. Of these , remain unresolved more than 50 % , given the lengthy legal processes and move children out of the country, " concluded Patricia Cipriano .

The DN requested information from the section Missing PJ , but the direction of this national security force did not authorize the release of data until time of closing of this edition . RUTH RABBIT

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(NOTÍCIAS - Diário de Notícias p3 - 1/25/2014) “Ninguém sabe onde estão 19 crianças raptadas pelos pais” - DRAMA Raptos parentais são a principal causa de desaparecimento de crianças até aos 9 anos. Das 54 que estão em parte incerta, 19 foram levadas pelo pai ou pela mãe O rosto de David, um menino de 6 anos, filho de mãe portuguesa e pai polaco, vai circular por toda a Europa a partir deste fim de semana, no âmbito de uma campanha internacional lançada pelo pai, com o apoio da Associação Portuguesa de Pais de Crianças Desaparecidas (APCD), para que o ajudem a encontrar o filho raptado pela mãe, portuguesa (ver texto ao lado). David é um dos 19 menores portugueses, no grupo etário dos 0 aos 9 anos, que se encontra desaparecido, segundo dados da APCD. “Os raptos parentais são a principal causa de desaparecimento de bebés e crianças mais novas”, afirmou ao DN a presidente da APCD, Patrícia Cipriano. Segundo os dados da associação, 54 casos de crianças desaparecidas estão por resolver em Portugal, 35% dos quais (19 casos) são raptos parentais. Houve quatro crianças e adolescentes dos 10 aos 17 anos que foram raptados por desconhecidos, segundo os números recolhidos pela APCD, mas nenhum registado na faixa dos 0 aos 9 anos. Nos jovens maiores de 18 anos a associação sabe de oito casos de rapto por desconhecidos. As fugas, “muito comuns nos adolescentes”, como referiu Patrícia Cipriano, foram quatro, protagonizadas por crianças e adolescentes dos 10 aos 17 anos. Duas aconteceram com maiores de 18. A APCD contabiliza ainda dois menores perdidos entre os 10 e os 17 anos. O rapto de bebés e crianças até aos 9 anos protagonizado por desconhecidos não tem sido muito frequente em Portugal. “Casos como o do Daniel, o bebé madeirense (ver texto em cima), em que se suspeita de rapto, são muito raros. Na associação temos pais de crianças que desapareceram em circunstâncias por explicar, como foi o caso de Rui Pedro e de outros, mas nos últimos anos não temos registo de situações similares com bebés e crianças mais novas”, diz Patrícia Cipriano. Se fosse vivo, Rui Pedro teria hoje 26 anos. Sobre onde está o menino que desapareceu de Lousada em 1998, com 11 anos, já houve várias teses, nenhuma até agora com resultados eficazes. O processo por rapto foi reaberto quase uma década e meia depois do seu desaparecimento. Afonso Dias, a última pessoa que terá visto o menor com vida, foi condenado pela Relação a três anos e seis meses de prisão no ano passado pelo rapto, mas uma pergunta permanece sem resposta: onde está o Rui Pedro? Em 2012, segundo dados oficiais da PJ, desapareceram 85 crianças dos 0 aos 9 anos, 2,07% das 2366 crianças e jovens desaparecidos nesse ano. O grupo etário com mais desaparecidos foi dos 15 aos 18 anos, com 1677 casos, 40,6% do total. Seguiu-se a faixa dos 13 e 14 anos, com 514 casos (12,55% do total). Dos 10 aos 12 anos houve 90 casos em 2012, ou seja, 2,20% do total. “A APCD recebe em média 20 a 30 casos por ano, na maioria fugas e subtrações ou sequestro de menores. Desses, ficam por resolver mais de 50%, dada a morosidade dos processos judiciais e a deslocação das crianças para fora do território nacional”, concluiu Patrícia Cipriano. O DN pediu esclarecimentos à secção de Desaparecidos da PJ, mas a direção nacional desta força de segurança não autorizou a divulgação de dados até à hora de fecho desta edição. RUTE COELHO PHOTO: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=677638078955287 Qualquer pessoa com informações acerca do DAVID SANTIAGO RYBCZYŃSKI em qualquer lugar é favor de contactar o Departamento dos Desaparecidos da Policia Judiciaria e/ou Instituto de Apoio a Criança IAC sob nº #116 000 Obrigado por partilhar os nossos links para ajudar encontrar DAVID SANTIAGO RYBCZYŃSKI SE TIVER INFORMAÇÃO POR FAVOR CONTACTE: Tel.: 116 000 ENCONTRE DAVID - SEGUE-NOS WWW: http://www.UQR.me/Encontre-David Facebook: https://www.Facebook.com/Encontre.David Google+s: https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/115469335700180969578/115469335700180969578 YouTube: https://www.YouTube.com/EncontreDavid Pinterest: http://www.pinterest.com/EncontreDavid Twitter: https://Twitter.com/Encontre_David
(NOTÍCIAS - Diário de Notícias p3 - 1/25/2014) “Ninguém sabe onde estão 19 crianças raptadas pelos pais” - DRAMA Raptos parentais são a principal causa de desaparecimento de crianças até aos 9 anos. Das 54 que estão em parte incerta, 19 foram levadas pelo pai ou pela mãe

O rosto de David, um menino de 6 anos, filho de mãe portuguesa e pai polaco, vai circular por toda a Europa a partir deste fim de semana, no âmbito de uma campanha internacional lançada pelo pai, com o apoio da Associação Portuguesa de Pais de Crianças Desaparecidas (APCD), para que o ajudem a encontrar o filho raptado pela mãe, portuguesa (ver texto ao lado). David é um dos 19 menores portugueses, no grupo etário dos 0 aos 9 anos, que se encontra desaparecido, segundo dados da APCD.

“Os raptos parentais são a principal causa de desaparecimento de bebés e crianças mais novas”, afirmou ao DN a presidente da APCD, Patrícia Cipriano. Segundo os dados da associação, 54 casos de crianças desaparecidas estão por resolver em Portugal, 35% dos quais (19 casos) são raptos parentais.

Houve quatro crianças e adolescentes dos 10 aos 17 anos que foram raptados por desconhecidos, segundo os números recolhidos pela APCD, mas nenhum registado na faixa dos 0 aos 9 anos. Nos jovens maiores de 18 anos a associação sabe de oito casos de rapto por desconhecidos.

As fugas, “muito comuns nos adolescentes”, como referiu Patrícia Cipriano, foram quatro, protagonizadas por crianças e adolescentes dos 10 aos 17 anos. Duas aconteceram com maiores de 18. A APCD contabiliza ainda dois menores perdidos entre os 10 e os 17 anos.

O rapto de bebés e crianças até aos 9 anos protagonizado por desconhecidos não tem sido muito frequente em Portugal. “Casos como o do Daniel, o bebé madeirense (ver texto em cima), em que se suspeita de rapto, são muito raros. Na associação temos pais de crianças que desapareceram em circunstâncias por explicar, como foi o caso de Rui Pedro e de outros, mas nos últimos anos não temos registo de situações similares com bebés e crianças mais novas”, diz Patrícia Cipriano.

Se fosse vivo, Rui Pedro teria hoje 26 anos. Sobre onde está o menino que desapareceu de Lousada em 1998, com 11 anos, já houve várias teses, nenhuma até agora com resultados eficazes. O processo por rapto foi reaberto quase uma década e meia depois do seu desaparecimento. Afonso Dias, a última pessoa que terá visto o menor com vida, foi condenado pela Relação a três anos e seis meses de prisão no ano passado pelo rapto, mas uma pergunta permanece sem resposta: onde está o Rui Pedro?

Em 2012, segundo dados oficiais da PJ, desapareceram 85 crianças dos 0 aos 9 anos, 2,07% das 2366 crianças e jovens desaparecidos nesse ano. O grupo etário com mais desaparecidos foi dos 15 aos 18 anos, com 1677 casos, 40,6% do total. Seguiu-se a faixa dos 13 e 14 anos, com 514 casos (12,55% do total). Dos 10 aos 12 anos houve 90 casos em 2012, ou seja, 2,20% do total. “A APCD recebe em média 20 a 30 casos por ano, na maioria fugas e subtrações ou sequestro de menores. Desses, ficam por resolver mais de 50%, dada a morosidade dos processos judiciais e a deslocação das crianças para fora do território nacional”, concluiu Patrícia Cipriano.

O DN pediu esclarecimentos à secção de Desaparecidos da PJ, mas a direção nacional desta força de segurança não autorizou a divulgação de dados até à hora de fecho desta edição. RUTE COELHO

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Re: Child abduction in Portugal and beyond - is it really so prevalent?
« Reply #185 on: March 08, 2014, 10:58:45 AM »
It doesn't seem to be updated regularly. What are the criteria for the PJ to list a missing child on that page? When a crime is suspected? Or when a missing child has been reported to any of PT's police forces?

There are children on the PT missing child site http://www.ap-cd.pt/pages/menores18 who don't appear on the PJ one. From a quick glance, even that association seems to concentrate on presumed abductions (the ones I've glanced at are presumed to be parental), rather than on children whose whereabouts are temporarily unknown.

https://en-gb.facebook.com/criancas.desaparecidas.pt
What makes you suspect this ?
Why would the PJ hide missing children ?
Children abducted by a parent aren't on the list, they're not properly missing, many are taken out of Portugal (Africa, Brazil).
One of the 3 cases is a toddler taken by her father who appeared hours after without her, then it's a missing child case, likely dead but no body found.

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Re: Child abduction in Portugal and beyond - is it really so prevalent?
« Reply #186 on: March 08, 2014, 11:05:31 AM »
https://en-gb.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=627527103962090&set=a.204495169598621.50965.199371593444312&type=1&theater

I'm afraid that I'm not a subscriber to DN and can't access the original to offer a googletranslate link, but the headline says that no one knows where 19 children abducted by their parents are. The article is dated 25 Jan 2014.

Whether they are confirmed as parental abductions or not, Anne has counted the number of children on the PJ site, and there weren't 19 of them.
What are you trying to do, Carana ? Those children aren't missing, they're with one of their parents. These cases are very delicate and handled by proper institutions.
It has no place on this thread.

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Re: Child abduction in Portugal and beyond - is it really so prevalent?
« Reply #187 on: March 08, 2014, 11:15:45 AM »
What are you trying to do, Carana ? Those children aren't missing, they're with one of their parents. These cases are very delicate and handled by proper institutions.
It has no place on this thread.

What is your definition of "missing"? Children whose whereabouts aren't known are not missing?

Why wouldn't even parental abduction be unacceptable on this thread, the title of which is "Child abduction in Portugal - is it really so prevalent?"

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Re: Child abduction in Portugal and beyond - is it really so prevalent?
« Reply #188 on: March 08, 2014, 11:26:58 AM »
What are you trying to do, Carana ? Those children aren't missing, they're with one of their parents. These cases are very delicate and handled by proper institutions.
It has no place on this thread.
Carana is correct.   These children are missing Anne.  Why are you trying to cover that up?

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Re: Child abduction in Portugal and beyond - is it really so prevalent?
« Reply #189 on: March 08, 2014, 11:41:18 AM »
If Cariad pops in here, I'd be interested in how s/he interpreted your post here:

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Re: Child abduction in Portugal - is it really so prevalent?
« Reply #182 on: Today at 07:44:27 AM »

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Quote from: AnneGuedes on March 07, 2014, 10:18:56 PM

    The PJ site lists the persons reported missing.
    3 missing children in 10 years ! Since the Guinean little girl is supposed to have died in a car crash in Spain, though the PJ doesn't seem to believe it, perhaps 2,  one of them being Madeleine McCann, the only abducted one, the other one having been  abducted by her own father (and not from bed).


So that's three children, v's over sixteen million.

No, child abduction in Portugal is not so prevalent.

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Re: Child abduction in Portugal and beyond - is it really so prevalent?
« Reply #190 on: March 08, 2014, 11:49:50 AM »
What are you trying to do, Carana ? Those children aren't missing, they're with one of their parents. These cases are very delicate and handled by proper institutions.
It has no place on this thread.

What you fail to understand Anne is that it has to be demonstrated that Portugal is a sink of iniquity otherwise The Moonies theories don't stack up. So we leave no stone unturned to rubbish anything Portuguese. QED.
Now watch for the spite and vitriol  @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*

AnneGuedes

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Re: Child abduction in Portugal and beyond - is it really so prevalent?
« Reply #191 on: March 08, 2014, 11:53:22 AM »
What is your definition of "missing"? Children whose whereabouts aren't known are not missing?

Why wouldn't even parental abduction be unacceptable on this thread, the title of which is "Child abduction in Portugal - is it really so prevalent?"
Missing strictly means that nobody knows the whereabouts of a child.
When a child is taken by a parent, that parent at least knows where the child is.
ergo children taken by a parent cannot be included in missing children.
If you wish to study and compare the cases of children taken to one parent by the other, do it on another thread for the sake of rigour.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Child abduction in Portugal and beyond - is it really so prevalent?
« Reply #192 on: March 08, 2014, 11:58:31 AM »
What you fail to understand Anne is that it has to be demonstrated that Portugal is a sink of iniquity otherwise The Moonies theories don't stack up. So we leave no stone unturned to rubbish anything Portuguese. QED.
Now watch for the spite and vitriol  @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
I forbid myself usually to make that kind of judgement without evidence.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2014, 12:21:13 PM by Sherlock Holmes »

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Re: Child abduction in Portugal and beyond - is it really so prevalent?
« Reply #193 on: March 08, 2014, 11:59:57 AM »
Missing strictly means that nobody knows the whereabouts of a child.
When a child is taken by a parent, that parent at least knows where the child is.
ergo children taken by a parent cannot be included in missing children.
If you wish to study and compare the cases of children taken to one parent by the other, do it on another thread for the sake of rigour.

Anne is quite correct, children abducted by one parent are in a totally different category for the simple reason that it is often known both where they are and who they are with.  That is also why there is an entirely different organisation specifically to assist in parental abduction, which can offer help in the UK: http://www.reunite.org/

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Re: Child abduction in Portugal and beyond - is it really so prevalent?
« Reply #194 on: March 08, 2014, 12:04:32 PM »
Missing strictly means that nobody knows the whereabouts of a child.
When a child is taken by a parent, that parent at least knows where the child is.
ergo children taken by a parent cannot be included in missing children.
If you wish to study and compare the cases of children taken to one parent by the other, do it on another thread for the sake of rigour.

So... in a thread entitled "Child abduction in Portugal - is it really so prevalent?", you object to me posting about (presumed) parental abductions?

If you understood missing children to exclude parental abduction, then why did you post this:

Quote from: AnneGuedes on March 07, 2014, 10:18:56 PM

    The PJ site lists the persons reported missing.
    3 missing children in 10 years !
Since the Guinean little girl is supposed to have died in a car crash in Spain, though the PJ doesn't seem to believe it, perhaps 2,  one of them being Madeleine McCann, the only abducted one, the other one having been  abducted by her own father (and not from bed).