It was all so inevitable in the end. Personally I cannot wait to escape from the EU, it's regulation and ever growing ego.
Much as many here feel about Boris and his ever growing ego.
Very true but he was the man to get it done. He will have to plan the next five years very carefully imo.
And Scotland won't be having a referendum anytime soon as both Salmond and Sturgeon signed up to the last one being a once in a generation event.
Very true but he was the man to get it done. He will have to plan the next five years very carefully imo.
And Scotland won't be having a referendum anytime soon as both Salmond and Sturgeon signed up to the last one being a once in a generation event.
Much as many here feel about Boris and his ever growing ego.
Boris Johnson promised to carry out the will of the majority of the people in the United Kingdom. That's why his party won a majority in the General Election. He's in charge, ego or no ego. All those egomaniacs who thought they could impose their views on the people are gone.
I'm delighted "he is in charge " !
His arrogant and ignorant attitude towards Scotland is only succeeding in spreading the desire for independence.
One Labour MP , four LD MP, six Conservative MP and 48 SNP MP, now represent the people of Scotland in Westminster.
Says it all !
I thought this thread was about the United Kingdom leaving the EU.
I believe it is.
However there can be consideration given to the repercussions of that exit and the effect it will have on the polarization of the politics within the UK.
Do you not agree?
Perhaps, but the concerns of 5 million people shouldn't dominate the discussion of a process affecting 67 million people in the UK and 500 million in the EU. The UK has made the decision to leave the EU and that's it in my opinion. That decision can't and won't change now.
It was all so inevitable in the end. Personally I cannot wait to escape from the EU, it's regulation and ever growing ego.How has EU regulation stifled your ability to succeed and enjoy life?
Indeed that is it.
No doubt about it.
Decision made!
I await with interest to read the details of what you believe will be the result of this decision.
I confess I have no idea of how wonderful or not the future will be as a result of this decision.
I am not optimistic!
And I will continue to speak my thoughts on this thread, even though you seem to object!
I've got no idea what the result of the decision will be. I just know it's the decision the majority voted for, so the losers had better get over it. Perhaps the losers in the referendum about Scottish Independance should accept that they lost too.
How has EU regulation stifled your ability to succeed and enjoy life?
I don't believe they have. @)(++(*
The "losers"have obviously voiced their opinion, hence the result in the General Election.
If I recall the numbers correctly, the SNP manage to consistently garner some 40% of the electorate which in anyone's book is not a majority of the population. I think any further referendum is many years away despite the wee crankie lookalike's protestations.You could say the same about the Tories.
If I recall the numbers correctly, the SNP manage to consistently garner some 40% of the electorate which in anyone's book is not a majority of the population. I think any further referendum is many years away despite the wee crankie lookalike's protestations.
If I recall the numbers correctly, the SNP manage to consistently garner some 40% of the electorate which in anyone's book is not a majority of the population. I think any further referendum is many years away despite the wee crankie lookalike's protestations.
I believe their vote at this election was 48% of the Scottish electorate as opposed to Boris being elected by 43%.of the UK electorate.
Your reference to "the wee krankie" does you no favour at all!
It does sniff of desperation.
You really cannot deny the result of the election.
1 labour MP, four LD MP, 6 Conservative MP and 48 SNP MP.!
I believe their vote at this election was 48% of the Scottish electorate as opposed to Boris being elected by 43%.of the UK electorate.
Your reference to "the wee krankie" does you no favour at all!
It does sniff of desperation.
You really cannot deny the result of the election.
1 labour MP, four LD MP, 6 Conservative MP and 48 SNP MP.!
I think any future referendum on Scottish Independence should include the whole of the UK. In my opinion the result would be a resounding 'Yes!!!'
It must not be forgotten that a million or more first and second generation Scots live and work outside the country and have no vote on independence. Given that there are only 4 million registered electors in Scotland, that is a sizeable number of ethnic Scots who are now deprived of a vote in their home country.
I can see Scotland plunging headlong into a financial crisis some years down the line if independence ever become a reality and this time it won't have the UK and the Bank of England to bail it out.
Who have deprived themselves of a vote in their home country, surely, just as anyone does who emigrates?
The Tories under Thatcher gave ex pats living abroad voting rights in UK elections sometime in the 80's.
I think any future referendum on Scottish Independence should include the whole of the UK. In my opinion the result would be a resounding 'Yes!!!'Why do you think that?
Why do you think that?
It was the Scottish Government which stopped Scottish ex-pats from voting in their Independence referendum. Scottish ex-pats can vote in the United Kingdom's elections just like every other ex-pat.
http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/63345/1/democraticaudit.com-Scots%20living%20overseas%20or%20elsewhere%20in%20the%20UK%20should%20have%20been%20given%20the%20right%20to%20vote%20in%20the%20independ.pdf
It goes without saying that citizens of the United Kingdom are entitled to vote in whichever area of the country they live and where they are registered to vote.
You are wrong that it was the Scottish Government which prevented ex-pats from voting in the referendum.
The UK government also vetoed the proposal.
I provided a cite as per forum rules.
Judging by what was written it looks like the Scottish Government was definitely opposed to anyone other than Scottish residents being allowed to vote.
I think people might be heartily sick of the wingeing, to be honest.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3839067/Once-whingeing-Scots-Nats-demanding-independence-vote-Bring-says-LEO-MCKINSTRY.html
That article is three years old!
Guess he will be moaning even more by now. (&^&
The is the type of anti Scottish bilge which increase the desire for independence.
I will be sharing it on a few social media sites.
Thanks for posting it.
My daughter in law who helps campaign for the SNP belongs to a photography club.
She and other members were discussing the possibility of another referendum.
To her surprise two of the members who are English but have lived here for many years voiced their support for it and will be voting yes !
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1220232/Brussels-chaos-Spain-Poland-EU-Brexit-Spaxit-Vox-ECJ-latest-newsq
SNP would do well to pause & take stock of a potential implosion of the EU before demanding another vote for independence.
That article is three years old!
Guess he will be moaning even more by now. (&^&
The is the type of anti Scottish bilge which increase the desire for independence.
I will be sharing it on a few social media sites.
Thanks for posting it.
My daughter in law who helps campaign for the SNP belongs to a photography club.
She and other members were discussing the possibility of another referendum.
To her surprise two of the members who are English but have lived here for many years voiced their support for it and will be voting yes !
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1220232/Brussels-chaos-Spain-Poland-EU-Brexit-Spaxit-Vox-ECJ-latest-newsq
SNP would do well to pause & take stock of a potential implosion of the EU before demanding another vote for independence.
OH Bit of an own goal there then. Those true blue bloodied Scots (aka second-third generation Irish immigrants) voting for independence are happy to let ENGLIGH people vote for independence even if it shouts down actual Scots "chats we despise the Engerelish but we want the sisters in laws friends to vote against the Scottish we despise. @)(++(* @)(++(*
Seriously, talk about not wanting what you want.
It was bound to happen! Too many unelected people, on a gravy chain whos word is bond has NOTHING to do with democracy. As we have witnessed here in Scotland snd the UK.
1. Scottish people voted to stay in the UK- SNP didn't like it and demands another vote a snub to democracy.
2. the UK people voted to leave the EU -SNP and others didn't like that and tried to stop it .
Here is the BIG question for SNP.
why do you rant about the 'english' you do not want the English Government (elected) to rule over you, but want an unelected foreign power do that? SERIOUSLY?
AND what will you do for the monetary demands to join the EU AND what if they insist on a hard border with England.
The meat and gravy of the Independence vote.
Scotland is leaving the EU.
Whether we ever rejoin is open to question and a very long way away.
Whether the EU implodes or not, the question of Independence will remain
In my opinion both the labour and conservative parties have lost many voters here because they are seen to be moving further to the left and right respectively.
Kosovo has been waiting 11 years to join the EU as some member states don't recognise it as an independent country. Is membership of the EU more important than the Union to Scottish voters as the calls for another Indy referendum suggest that's the case?
I don't believe it is .
I think the dislike of Westminster politics and of both current labour and conservative parties is the driving force for Independence.
I know many Scots now consider that we have no control of our own future.
We get whatever the rest of the UK choose.
I don't believe it is .
I think the dislike of Westminster politics and of both current labour and conservative parties is the driving force for Independence.
I know many Scots now consider that we have no control of our own future.
We get whatever the rest of the UK choose.
In England I think many people considered we had no control of our future while we remained in the EU. Do Scots believe the EU-controlled Westminster politicians are to blame for all matters which fall outside the powers of your devolved government?
Those who believe Scotland voted for SNP to get independance are in the guessing game. They do not know why people voted the way they did. to presume they do is arrogant and pathetic.
They believe they are the better authority, place no relevent argument,because the cannot see the wood for the trees!
Who would vote to be removed from the UK as they want to be independent ONLY to sign up to an unelected bunch of foreigners, who couldn't give two flying hoots about you. And will not let ypu haver the independence you so crave. I mean is there a new meaning to independence?
"You are so out of touch.
You equate the desire for independence and the dissatisfaction with Westminster politics to hatred of English people.
How pathetic!"
Can you give a cite about me being out of touch or is that just your arrogant opinion?
Is it ok for you to pontificate your interpretation of the people of Scotlands voting reasons in elections, but not Ok for me to explain mine?
How intolerant of you, and pathetic!
You just need to be present at anti English rants to see this for yourself!
In England I think many people considered we had no control of our future while we remained in the EU. Do Scots believe the EU-controlled Westminster politicians are to blame for all matters which fall outside the powers of your devolved government?
I don't believe it is .
I think the dislike of Westminster politics and of both current labour and conservative parties is the driving force for Independence.
I know many Scots now consider that we have no control of our own future.
We get whatever the rest of the UK choose.
Have.you attended many " anti English rants"?
Why do you believe Scotland returned the 48 SNP Members of Paliament?
So does everyone who lives in the UK. It's called democracy.
In what areas of life do English people feel they have no control of their future?
Surely when you vote, be it in a referendum or a General election the majority of voters gain what they voted for?
Yes, Two polliYes, Two polling stations!ng stations!
"The English stole our oil?" and rants of that ilk! WTF
Unlike you and many others I looked at the history of Scotlands irish immigrants and the reasons for this.
There is a large group in the central belt still active about anti Englis and hatred of the English rule (most of which comes from the EU @)(++(*). You may want to hide the fact that sectarianism is alive and well in the central belt.
The election was not about independence so why claim it is?
I voted against independence first time and would again , I voted SNP, so why would I do that? Tactical voting is why! Many people did not want a labour MP. simple!
AND just for the record... I have written about the Irish immigration and the issues and living conditions they faced when they came over which was shocking and inhumane. They saved the economy by working in the industrial areas bringing wealth to the country. Therefore can you please refrain from making out I use the term as derogatory intent as it is quite the opposite!
I am also a critic of the catholic church and it's influence over uneducated, poor people and the abuse down the centuries. I merely report. If you don't like it don't read my posts!
Thank you.
"The English stole our oil?" and rants of that ilk! WTF
Unlike you and many others I looked at the history of Scotlands irish immigrants and the reasons for this.
There is a large group in the central belt still active about anti Englis and hatred of the English rule (most of which comes from the EU @)(++(*). You may want to hide the fact that sectarianism is alive and well in the central belt.
The election was not about independence so why claim it is?
I voted against independence first time and would again , I voted SNP, so why would I do that? Tactical voting is why! Many people did not want a labour MP. simple!
AND just for the record... I have written about the Irish immigration and the issues and living conditions they faced when they came over which was shocking and inhumane. They saved the economy by working in the industrial areas bringing wealth to the country. Therefore can you please refrain from making out I use the term as derogatory intent as it is quite the opposite!
I am also a critic of the catholic church and it's influence over uneducated, poor people and the abuse down the centuries. I merely report. If you don't like it don't read my posts!
Thank you.
England is to blame for all of Scotland's problems & if only they could be freed from the tyrannical oppression of Westminster, they could live in a national socialist utopia & be self sufficient with their oil.
Isn't that the crux of the SNP's agenda?
Well here is a couple of issues raised:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afMofYie4Lc
England is to blame for all of Scotland's problems & if only they could be freed from the tyrannical oppression of Westminster, they could live in a national socialist utopia & be self sufficient with their oil.
Isn't that the crux of the SNP's agenda?
ng stations!
"The English stole our oil?" and rants of that ilk! WTF
Unlike you and many others I looked at the history of Scotlands irish immigrants and the reasons for this.
There is a large group in the central belt still active about anti Englis and hatred of the English rule (most of which comes from the EU @)(++(*). You may want to hide the fact that sectarianism is alive and well in the central belt.
The election was not about independence so why claim it is?
I voted against independence first time and would again , I voted SNP, so why would I do that? Tactical voting is why! Many people did not want a labour MP. simple!
AND just for the record... I have written about the Irish immigration and the issues and living conditions they faced when they came over which was shocking and inhumane. They saved the economy by working in the industrial areas bringing wealth to the country. Therefore can you please refrain from making out I use the term as derogatory intent as it is quite the opposite!
I am also a critic of the catholic church and it's influence over uneducated, poor people and the abuse down the centuries. I merely report. If you don't like it don't read my posts!
Thank you.
Goodness me.
I wouldn't miss reading your posts.
Your reference to second and third generation Irish immigrants and their right to be called Scots has been obvious many a time.
You seem to live in the past, it's the twenty first century .
I frequently have chats with my grandchildren and their friends who are all of voting age.
They are more forward thinking and have much more confidence in their country and countrymen and women.
I don't believe that everyone who voted SNP want.independence but many do.
No doubt tactical voting took place.
You do realise that your vote, just like mine makes no difference at all.
Those who believe Scotland voted for SNP to get independance are in the guessing game. They do not know why people voted the way they did. to presume they do is arrogant and pathetic.
They believe they are the better authority, place no relevent argument,because the cannot see the wood for the trees!
Who would vote to be removed from the UK as they want to be independent ONLY to sign up to an unelected bunch of foreigners, who couldn't give two flying hoots about you. And will not let ypu haver the independence you so crave. I mean is there a new meaning to independence?
"You are so out of touch.
You equate the desire for independence and the dissatisfaction with Westminster politics to hatred of English people.
How pathetic!"
Can you give a cite about me being out of touch or is that just your arrogant opinion?
Is it ok for you to pontificate your interpretation of the people of Scotlands voting reasons in elections, but not Ok for me to explain mine?
How intolerant of you, and pathetic!
You just need to be present at anti English rants to see this for yourself!
My vote made a difference in that Labour didn't get in! it was added to other people who voted that same way.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to keep some Scottish integrity and culture. just because you and are your grandchildren think I shouldn't have a voite or express an opinion doesn't make you right!
You do come across as being arrogant and intolerant of other peoples views so who do you think you are kidding?
NOT ME!
I think you will find your grandchildren are too young to know what life was like before Political correctness took hold. Poorer them for that.
"I don't.click on YouTube links.
Please explain the issues."
No. You wouldn't like it. It is a short film about people who say exactly why they voted brexit., and Trump.
You would be deeply offended by pathetic people saying disgusting things about... well their lives, and how they have been affected.
You show absolutely zero interest in considering another's.point of view.
You hark on about pandas and imagined hatred.of the English .
Why you are havering about Scottish integrity and culture and myself and my grandchildren and your right to vote or express an opinion...is most peculiar.
I do find your posts become more irrational as.the evening progresses.
So I wish you a fond farewell for this evening.
In what areas of life do English people feel they have no control of their future?
Surely when you vote, be it in a referendum or a General election the majority of voters gain what they voted for?
What an intemperately worded post which is also a rule breaker in its personal attack on the poster and not the post please desist. Please tone your posting style down, there is absolutely no need for unpleasantness.
I think the reality of the situation now faced by everyone who lives and works in Scotland and England too, is something which will become more apparent as the year now beginning lumbers toward Big Ben in the Elizabeth tower sounding farewell to our membership of the European Union.
The only difference is that in Scotland something can be done about it if the will is there and many people who would never have dreamt of such are thinking that if there is an enforced venture into the world of the Darian Scheme it will not have the same conclusion as before.
We cannot have control of our future inside the EU when our MEP's only have a 10% share of the votes in Brussels & appear to be unrepresentative of & unanswerable to the electorate. Westminster is not the real problem & the people of Scotland would do well to remember that if they truly believe in Nationalism.
We cannot have control of our future inside the EU when our MEP's only have a 10% share of the votes in Brussels & appear to be unrepresentative of & unanswerable to the electorate. Westminster is not the real problem & the people of Scotland would do well to remember that if they truly believe in Nationalism.
Sincerely at the moment many here do feel that Westminster does not represent the aspirations of the Scottish electorate.
Both Labour and Conservative parties are moving further to the extremes of their ideology.
And the House of Lords is an unrepresentative and unelected body which many people here do not wish.
I read today that their consumption of champagne has increased by 45 percent over the last year.
They are as remote to me as you possibly feel about the EU.
Probably that's why Yorkshire wants independence too. It's quite clear to others that the UK Parliament is out of touch with the electorate, that's not just a Scottish thing. Boris Johnson spotted people's antipathy and has a majority because he acted on it. He may not have satisfied the little Scotlanders, but who could? They are clinging to a dream, imo.Little Englanders managed to get their dream turned into reality, what makes you think the Scottish will fail to do likewise?
Probably that's why Yorkshire wants independence too. It's quite clear to others that the UK Parliament is out of touch with the electorate, that's not just a Scottish thing. Boris Johnson spotted people's antipathy and has a majority because he acted on it. He may not have satisfied the little Scotlanders, but who could? They are clinging to a dream, imo.
Probably that's why Yorkshire wants independence too. It's quite clear to others that the UK Parliament is out of touch with the electorate, that's not just a Scottish thing. Boris Johnson spotted people's antipathy and has a majority because he acted on it. He may not have satisfied the little Scotlanders, but who could? They are clinging to a dream, imo.
I really don't know what the implications of leaving the EU will be, nor do I particularly care in all honesty.Thanks for providing conclusive proof of the ignorance of the average Leave voter.
I voted to leave for two important reasons.
1) Because the mainstream media & the politically correct tried their best to convince me not too.
&
2) Because I am a massive racist.
Thanks for providing conclusive proof of the ignorance of the average Leave voter.
Probably that's why Yorkshire wants independence too. It's quite clear to others that the UK Parliament is out of touch with the electorate, that's not just a Scottish thing. Boris Johnson spotted people's antipathy and has a majority because he acted on it. He may not have satisfied the little Scotlanders, but who could? They are clinging to a dream, imo.
You are special Spammers. and you are also a whole bunch of nasty names gifted to you be the looney,stalinist loving lefties. who claim to be 'tolerant' but show intolerence in a passive aggressive manner.He certainly is “special”. Fancy being intolerant of misogynists and nazi lovers, how very shameful.
We all laugh them off. hahaha!
There's nothing average about me is there, come on.As trolls go I would say you were the epitome of average.
But we are a nation, a separate country unlike Yorkshire .
Not too sure the " little Scotlanders" reference was necessary.
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A Scottish government elected by the Scottish electorate might prove more satisfactory than a Prime Minister certainly not wanted or elected by them.
I really don't believe that looking at the results of the General Election that there is any clinging to a dream,rather increasing hope that the dream comes true.
You may be a seperate country, but you are still part of the United Kingdom. The dream is that you could survive alone.I remember when you poo-poohed people who said we’d be worse off out of the EU. Changed your tune based on what exactly?
I remember when you poo-poohed people who said we’d be worse off out of the EU. Changed your tune based on what exactly?
I didn't poo-poo anything. I pointed out that they were guessing. I think there's quite a lot of evidence that Scotland would find it very difficult to balance it's books if it left the United Kingdom. It's deficit is worse than that of Greece.Scotland does not have complete control of its budget which includes a big chunk on Trident which it would no longer pay if independent.
Scotland does not have complete control of its budget which includes a big chunk on Trident which it would no longer pay if independent.
Scotland would either have to create it's own defences or sally forth defenceless though.Like most countries manage to do without nuclear weapons.
I didn't poo-poo anything. I pointed out that they were guessing. I think there's quite a lot of evidence that Scotland would find it very difficult to balance it's books if it left the United Kingdom. It's deficit is worse than that of Greece.
Like most countries manage to do without nuclear weapons.
Scotland would either have to create it's own defences or sally forth defenceless though.
Who owns the oil and Gas? It would be good to know if Scotland is self sufficient with regards to feeding the nation.Tories and huge tax rises does not compute.
Can we sustain the level of social care for the elderly, abused children, battered spouses(male/female/gender neutral). Short answer NO we can barely make it work at the moment. expect a huge TAX hike very soon!
Tories and huge tax rises does not compute.
You as per usual cannot read posts, and reply to something which wasn't said. Pathetic!Do you always have to be so abusive? You stated we would all be subjected to HUGE tax rises for social care. I pointed out that Tories don't do huge tax rises. If you were referring ONLY to Scotland when you referred to "we" then I apologise for my unforgivable mistake.
As a person who lives and works in Scotland the SNP raised taxes, steal from the lower working classes and it is what they do in Sweden- and will continue to do so since they were given the power to do this by the UK government.
The Scottish parliament has the power to set as many rates and bands as it would like. For 2019/20, it has chosen to continue to have five income tax rates and bands
with a starter rate (19%), basic rate (20%), intermediate rate (21%), higher rate (41%) and top rate (46%).
Earned income: £15,000
Taxable income: £2,500
Deduct: Personal Allowance: £12,500
Oh and the average earnings is NOT the top rate it is the lower.
Do you always have to be so abusive? You stated we would all be subjected to HUGE tax rises for social care. I pointed out that Tories don't do huge tax rises. If you were referring ONLY to Scotland when you referred to "we" then I apologise for my unforgivable mistake.
There is NOTHING abusive about this post or me. I know you and your gang of supporters complain about all my posts and certain mods oblige by deleting them, however, they all end up somewhere else in print so no harm done. ^*&&
In fact, it is the highlight of my evening. I never knew I had such an affect on people.
8((()*/
I read that it is against forum rules to attack the poster and not the post. Doesn't seem to include you and Davel and Erngath. This is my contribution, let us see how long it lasts!
Back on topic...
27 days . and it is becoming less talked about. we are not hearing details of deals being offered and discussed.
It is a bit concerning that immigration will have a points system like Australia, legal immigration was never an issue as far as I am aware, it is the back door illegal immigration which is causing the most issues and open borders. I will be good to see how this pans out.
I think you are more than a bit out if touch... It was legal immigration via the eu that was a major problem.. Free movement...
I have reported a few, and have removed several off topic, rude and abusive posts.Could you please confirm that I have never reported any post made on here thanks.
Could we please follow forum rules, and not insult each other on here.
Thanks !
Could you please confirm that I have never reported any post made on here thanks.
I will take your word for it, rather than wade through 84 pages of reports!!
Seems to be mainly moderators who report posts anyway!
I think you are more than a bit out if touch... It was legal immigration via the eu that was a major problem.. Free movement...
You are both right. It was all those factors, however I do recall Boris and his fellow Jacob Rees-Mogg stating that it was the fear of Turkey joining the EU that Britain was best out of it. The world has changed since contemporary times and people now can migrate from many new places. The Victorians dominated world travel but now most all countries have the ability to travel and migrate. So all those many new faces are not a threat but a sign of the changing times.