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Offline Robittybob1

Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #75 on: October 13, 2019, 10:47:24 PM »
Linda Arndt was the detective who remained at the Ramsey residence up to the time John finds Jonbenet.

In her report which in part is on the internet https://juror13lw.files.wordpress.com/2018/08/linda-arndt-jan-8-1997-report.pdf.

Some of the names mentioned are redacted, but the bit that really interested me was the information on page 11. 

John Andrew Ramsey and Melinda ring to the house at a time not recorded in the notes, but they ring at separate times, which in some way suggests to me they weren't in the same place at the same time.

Linda Arndt records "John Andrew and Melinda had taken the family's private plane from Atlanta and had flown to Minneapolis."

Who told Linda Arndt that they had flown on the private plane?

This seems to be at odds with what I understand to be in their official alibi.  Didn't they say they flew commercially?
When I think of it why would the kids ring John Ramsey on the 26th.   Was it to see why John and Patsy weren't waiting to meet up with them at the Minneapolis airport?
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #76 on: October 14, 2019, 12:51:31 AM »
When I think of it why would the kids ring John Ramsey on the 26th.   Was it to see why John and Patsy weren't waiting to meet up with them at the Minneapolis airport?
I'd love to see the phone records for the incoming calls to the Ramsey house.    How did John Andrew and Melinda ring home to Boulder?  Were they using a payphone or a cellphone?
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #77 on: October 14, 2019, 12:59:13 AM »
Started a Google search for "jonbenet Ramsey + phone records. 

And first hit came up with something I've never heard of before:

"The Missing December Cell Phone Records
Discussion
This element of the case puzzles me. Steve Thomas goes on and on about how the DA's office denied subpoenas for Ramsey phone records, but after a year the police got a signed limited permission slip from John Ramsey to view his home and cell phone records between December 1 and December 27, 1996. The home phone records were unremarkable and the cell phone records were blank for the month of December. Thomas says Ramsey had the account since 1994 and prior months averaged 90-100 minutes of activity.

Here's the section from Thomas's book:

The Air Touch cell phone records were useless...December, the only period we were allowed to see, was empty. No calls at all. I asked if someone could remove billing records from the computer? "No way," the Air Touch source told me. "All these months preceding December are busy, and not one call was logged for that entire month?" The representative was firm: "There ain't no way anybody altered these records."

link to passage

Question: Can someone have altered the records? Edit for more questions: Is this the worst investigation in the history of crime that all phone records were not subpoenaed within the first few weeks? Does anyone know what this DA was afraid of?"

https://www.reddit.com/r/JonBenetRamsey/comments/axt887/the_missing_december_cell_phone_records/

What are the chances of that that John made no cellphone calls in December!
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #78 on: October 14, 2019, 10:05:27 AM »
The ransom note said the kidnappers would contact them tomorrow, which to me suggests the ransom note was written before midnight. 
Well even if John and others could debate which day is tomorrow, there is now the problem knowing what phone number would have been called.
Was it the landline,
Or the phone that has been claimed to be lost.
Or one of John's work phones?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #79 on: October 16, 2019, 12:34:08 PM »
Still one of the most interesting cases IMO.

It was very rare to have such a long rambling kidnap note.

But it is likely to be someone jealous and angry at John Ramsey. 
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #80 on: October 16, 2019, 04:53:13 PM »
In the case examined in "My Dirty Little Secret: Death By Cheerleader (True Crime) | Crime Documentary | Reel Truth Crime"  the perpetrator claimed she had an alibi, but with further investigation it was found there was a short period she had left work and returned home to burn the house.

She was a nurse too, with access to deadly drugs.  https://youtu.be/wDH1INHVSiM
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #81 on: October 18, 2019, 03:12:31 AM »
Another YouTube that coivers the alibis in a bit more depth.  https://youtu.be/4hLKXJgfSA8   "JonBenét Ramsey Murder - Who Did It? (1998)"

Do they work out who did it?  I must have missed that bit.
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #82 on: October 19, 2019, 12:07:39 PM »
"The Murder Of Jonbenet" https://youtu.be/WLKsEEcINyo?list=PL_WQ9KQpPJqPEASbIr-WscUVUU4aCPuho

There is a special part of this video that encourages me to think my theory is correct.

https://youtu.be/WLKsEEcINyo?list=PL_WQ9KQpPJqPEASbIr-WscUVUU4aCPuho&t=1940 is the start of the story about the Grand Jury.

https://youtu.be/WLKsEEcINyo?list=PL_WQ9KQpPJqPEASbIr-WscUVUU4aCPuho&t=2232  Results of Grand Jury decision released.

When John Ramsey is interviewed: https://youtu.be/WLKsEEcINyo?list=PL_WQ9KQpPJqPEASbIr-WscUVUU4aCPuho&t=2350.    "Accessory - that's absurd"  Is that really true?



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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #83 on: October 21, 2019, 08:13:16 AM »
Finally relocated the interview of John Ramsey where he makes the statement of unconditional love for his kids, but not his spouse  https://youtu.be/_bMKzzGoWEQ?list=PL_WQ9KQpPJqPEASbIr-WscUVUU4aCPuho  is the general interview.  I'll have to go back through the long video  to get the specific location.  Over all it is a great interview well worth watching if you are  interested in solving the case.
I notice there is another section of the interview where he struggles to say a good thing about the other two kids.  He gets in a real muddle in fact.

How often has he mentioned his love for Melinda?  Or John Andrew?  Yet he grieves over Beth and Jonbenet.
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #84 on: October 21, 2019, 11:41:54 AM »
https://youtu.be/_bMKzzGoWEQ?list=PL_WQ9KQpPJqPEASbIr-WscUVUU4aCPuho&t=2154  Unconditional love

"I would do anything to protect my children"  see on the video what he looks like when he realises he has made this confession.
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #85 on: October 21, 2019, 11:57:06 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bMKzzGoWEQ&feature=youtu.be&list=PL_WQ9KQpPJqPEASbIr-WscUVUU4aCPuho&t=2280

"If you thought it was anyone in your family that person would be reported immediately?"

John Ramsey "Absolutely".

Now this interview is 3 years after the event, maybe he feels differently at the time to what may have been his fears on the 26th Dec.

He bows his head at the end of that statement.  Saying he would report but shaking head as saying "no"!!!

Being of a religious bent myself it might be possible the bending of the head downwards could be a moment of prayer, here's the sort of prayer  I might attempt: "Please Lord forgive me If I lied, for my love for my kids is unconditional"

Is a father justified in the eyes of God for lying to save the life of his only living daughter?   Who are we to know the answer to that?
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #86 on: October 21, 2019, 11:08:04 PM »
"The Murder Of Jonbenet" https://youtu.be/WLKsEEcINyo?list=PL_WQ9KQpPJqPEASbIr-WscUVUU4aCPuho

There is a special part of this video that encourages me to think my theory is correct.

https://youtu.be/WLKsEEcINyo?list=PL_WQ9KQpPJqPEASbIr-WscUVUU4aCPuho&t=1940 is the start of the story about the Grand Jury.

https://youtu.be/WLKsEEcINyo?list=PL_WQ9KQpPJqPEASbIr-WscUVUU4aCPuho&t=2232  Results of Grand Jury decision released.

When John Ramsey is interviewed: https://youtu.be/WLKsEEcINyo?list=PL_WQ9KQpPJqPEASbIr-WscUVUU4aCPuho&t=2350.    "Accessory - that's absurd"  Is that really true?

If my theory is correct John Ramsey was helping his daughter Melinda.   The only way Melinda could be involved is if her alibi is untrue.  To prove it was untrue would require the telephone log of John Ramsey's phone, what phone did she ring from?  Where was that phone calling from?  But surprise surprise the phone log for John Ramsey for the whole of December was blank.
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #87 on: October 21, 2019, 11:19:50 PM »
Still one of the most interesting cases IMO.

It was very rare to have such a long rambling kidnap note.

But it is likely to be someone jealous and angry at John Ramsey.
Who could get more angry and jealous at John than his other daughter?  Were they having it hard being raised by their mother at the time when it is reported that the business started by John Ramsey either had a billion dollar turnover or a billion dollar profit.  Who better to know about the $118,000 bonus that John received.  Was any of that bonus going to be shared by the older kids?   I'd love to know which of the kids was booked on the "Big Red Boat" cruise?
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #88 on: October 21, 2019, 11:24:55 PM »
When I think of it why would the kids ring John Ramsey on the 26th.   Was it to see why John and Patsy weren't waiting to meet up with them at the Minneapolis airport?
When you think about it, if there was a 3 hour flight on a private plane from Boulder to Minneapolis, when John Andrew gets to Minneapolis from Atlanta, the last place he would think that John and Patsy to be would be that they were still at home.  It would IMO be pointless ringing the landline.   So most likely John Andrew called his dad on a cellphone call.
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #89 on: October 21, 2019, 11:42:03 PM »
The following exposes details of John Ramsey's motives:
https://youtu.be/_Cl4VlcnCcA?t=243

"the police did find a motive.  To cover up the crime if Burke or Patsy did it".    OK does the same hold true if Melinda and John Andrew did it?
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