Street protests continue in London despite COVID rules.

[patb]

The enforcement of anti COVID regs and the planned demonstration on Clapham Common confirms my point re the MET being in a very compromised position. Clearly, they are open to the allegation that they are trying to clamp down on the story by preventing the demonstration. It may be true and maybe not but the swiftness at which they have dealt with a possible demo is in contrast to the lack of swiftness in dealing with the two indecent assault allegations.

[Wonderfulspam]

I thought the scenes at the vigil last night were quite unpleasant.

Hundreds of women gathered together.........breaking the law.

....& yet Cressida Dick, who as far as I can see must have stayed at home behaving lawfully, is facing calls to resign.

This was an illegal gathering, if they wanted to show their respects to Sarah, mass criminality wasn't the way to go about it imo.

[Geordie]

I thought the scenes at the vigil last night were quite unpleasant.

Hundreds of women gathered together.........breaking the law.

....& yet Cressida Dick, who as far as I can see must have stayed at home behaving lawfully, is facing calls to resign.

This was an illegal gathering, if they wanted to show their respects to Sarah, mass criminality wasn't the way to go about it imo.

And yet the photo being flashed around the world are of two male police officers throwing a 5 ft 2 ins woman to the ground, knee in the back while applying handcuffs for breaking covid rules?

I've not seen that level of force used against anyone else for breaking covid rules.

There were other vigils around the country that were not escalated by the police who kept a lower profile.

The actions of the police in fact escalated the potential covid risk and under the circumstances was over the top.

Was the same level of force used against Rangers supporters when they gathered in even greater numbers to celebrate wining the league and why not? Although I feel the answer is obvious.

[Wonderfulspam]

And yet the photo being flashed around the world are of two male police officers throwing a 5 ft 2 ins woman to the ground, knee in the back while applying handcuffs for breaking covid rules?

I've not seen that level of force used against anyone else for breaking covid rules.

There were other vigils around the country that were not escalated by the police who kept a lower profile.

The actions of the police in fact escalated the potential covid risk and under the circumstances was over the top.

Was the same level of force used against Rangers supporters when they gathered in even greater numbers to celebrate wining the league and why not?

The police aren't homogenous, you're talking about two separate police forces in different countries dealing with two entirely different situations so of course there's going to be disparity in enforcement.

If Nicola Sturgeon wants Rangers fans to get sick & possibly die that's her decision & I respect that.

I couldn't attend an old school friends funeral because of restrictions on gatherings, I very much doubt all those women there last night were friends of Sarah so I really don't see the need for them to stand closely packed in a park waving i-phones around & potentially spreading a deadly disease.

What's wrong with putting a candle on your doorstep or on your facebook feed rather than endangering the lives of the sick & the elderly.

[Venturi Swirl]

I thought the scenes at the vigil last night were quite unpleasant.

Hundreds of women gathered together.........breaking the law.

....& yet Cressida Dick, who as far as I can see must have stayed at home behaving lawfully, is facing calls to resign.

This was an illegal gathering, if they wanted to show their respects to Sarah, mass criminality wasn't the way to go about it imo.

And yet in the past you have been contemptuous of the lockdown and those who "like sheep" adhere to lockdown rules.  You wouldn't just be WUMMing again now would you...?

[Wonderfulspam]

And yet in the past you have been contemptuous of the lockdown and those who "like sheep" adhere to lockdown rules.  You wouldn't just be WUMMing again now would you...?

The abduction & murder of Sarah Everard is terrible & obviously I'm not disputing that.

But this was an isolated incident, there isn't an epidemic of policemen hunting down & murdering women.

There isn't even an epidemic of non policemen hunting down & murdering women either.

This was just unnecessary virtue signalling, I don't know a single person & I doubt there are many people who think women should be murdered on the streets at night, so I really don't get what they're protesting.

[jassi]

The abduction & murder of Sarah Everard is terrible & obviously I'm not disputing that.

But this was an isolated incident, there isn't an epidemic of policemen hunting down & murdering women.

There isn't even an epidemic of non policemen hunting down & murdering women either.

This was just unnecessary virtue signalling, I don't know a single person & I doubt there are many people who think women should be murdered on the streets at night, so I really don't get what they're protesting.

I don't suppose they'd really know themselves if they were asked.

[Venturi Swirl]

The abduction & murder of Sarah Everard is terrible & obviously I'm not disputing that.

But this was an isolated incident, there isn't an epidemic of policemen hunting down & murdering women.

There isn't even an epidemic of non policemen hunting down & murdering women either.

This was just unnecessary virtue signalling, I don't know a single person & I doubt there are many people who think women should be murdered on the streets at night, so I really don't get what they're protesting.

I think they're probably protesting at the epidemic of violence and threatenting behaviour towards women perpetrated by men on a daily basis.  I don't suppose you accept that this even exists, or perhaps you will engage in some typical "whataboutery" in which case you're quite at liberty to protest at violence and threatening behaviour perpetrated by women towards men, though you may prefer to wait until lockdown restrictions have been lifted. 

[Venturi Swirl]

Two of my daughter's fellow female students were raped by the same man recently, a fellow student who lived in the same large student house.  They have refused to go to the police about it - even today women feel that reporting rape is a waste of time and believe that the process is almost as harrowing as the rape itself.  This guy has been slung out of the house and is at large and will probably rape someone else now. 

[Venturi Swirl]

When I am out and about with my daughter on the streets of the city that she lives I am shocked and revolted by the amount of unwanted, threatening, leery attention she attracts from men, and this is when her mother is present, during the day walking around the shops.  God knows what it's like for her when she is all dressed up for a night on the tiles with her friends.   

[Geordie]

The police aren't homogenous, you're talking about two separate police forces in different countries dealing with two entirely different situations so of course there's going to be disparity in enforcement.

If Nicola Sturgeon wants Rangers fans to get sick & possibly die that's her decision & I respect that.

I couldn't attend an old school friends funeral because of restrictions on gatherings, I very much doubt all those women there last night were friends of Sarah so I really don't see the need for them to stand closely packed in a park waving i-phones around & potentially spreading a deadly disease.

What's wrong with putting a candle on your doorstep or on your facebook feed rather than endangering the lives of the sick & the elderly.

The BLM demo was not in another country. In fact the protesters at that event were more closely packed yet some coppers took the knee.

[Venturi Swirl]

Do men feel it is their right to ogle and pester women and make them them feel uncomfortable and/or threatened?  Do men think this is flattering behaviour and that women should be thankful for their attentions? 

[Wonderfulspam]

I think they're probably protesting at the epidemic of violence and threatenting behaviour towards women perpetrated by men on a daily basis. I don't suppose you accept that this even exists, or perhaps you will engage in some typical "whataboutery" in which case you're quite at liberty to protest at violence and threatening behaviour perpetrated by women towards men, though you may prefer to wait until lockdown restrictions have been lifted.

Lets dispense with emotion & look at the statistics.

1) "In the year to March 2020, 207 women were killed in Great Britain (England, Scotland and Wales). This means about one in five killings were of women."

So, a great many more men are killed than women each year, yet we don't see the men out there protesting.


2) "The number of female victims was lower than in the previous year, when 241 women were killed. This was the highest number in a decade."

So now that the number of women killed is actually decreasing they're going to protest about it?

Where were they last year?


3) "In the past decade, there were 4,493 male victims of killings and 2,075 female victims (31%) in England and Wales.

More than nine out of 10 killers were men.

About 57% of female victims were killed by someone they knew, most commonly a partner or ex-partner. This compares with 39% of men."

So, according to the data, men are actually more at risk of being killed by a stranger than women.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-56365412

[Wonderfulspam]

The BLM demo was not in another country. In fact the protesters at that event were more closely packed yet some coppers took the knee.

The lastest corona restrictions on gatherings came in to force in November, the BLM riots (call a spade a spade)were during the summer iirc

[Venturi Swirl]

Lets dispense with emotion & look at the statistics.

1) "In the year to March 2020, 207 women were killed in Great Britain (England, Scotland and Wales). This means about one in five killings were of women."

So, a great many more men are killed than women each year, yet we don't see the men out there protesting.


2) "The number of female victims was lower than in the previous year, when 241 women were killed. This was the highest number in a decade."

So now that the number of women killed is actually decreasing they're going to protest about it?

Where were they last year?


3) "In the past decade, there were 4,493 male victims of killings and 2,075 female victims (31%) in England and Wales.

More than nine out of 10 killers were men.

About 57% of female victims were killed by someone they knew, most commonly a partner or ex-partner. This compares with 39% of men."

So, according to the data, men are actually more at risk of being killed by a stranger than women.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-56365412

Thanks for proving me 100% right - you played the whataboutery card exactly as I predicted you would, well done.