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Offline Parky41

Tunnel vision, by whom? Fit up by whom?
« on: May 06, 2021, 06:34:30 PM »
Tunnel vision - A fit up?  Which would appear to ultimately start, with - that crucial, short time - from that first call to the police by Jodi's mother, the attendance at her house and a body being found around 11.30pm - We know this time frame is approx: 40mins. That first claim, this area and reasoning given for the tunnel vision. That an officer had written in his notepad "with the boyfriend" that only LM's number was given to the police and of that call, a body has been found by "the boyfriend" That LM was immediately separated from the rest, taken to a different station and stripped of his clothing - perfect?

Firstly to show that this first claim is completely false - it has absolutely no premise. There are four people involved here. Firstly Judith, secondly the receiver of the call, and two officers who attend at her house. It is absolutely ludicrous to suggest that the police left Judith's under the impression that Jodi had left with LM at t-time. We don't even require to go into any detail of these reports and so forth - the reason Jodi is reported missing, is because the meeting is claimed not to have taken place. She left to meet with him - he is saying she had not shown up.

The police are given LM's phone number - we know at the point of these officers being in attendance, that it is LM who is on this path. We know this as he had already told Judith at 10.59pm his whereabouts. And we know at this point that Jodi's family from Mayfield are only en-route. We know they are heading to Easthouse's. As was LM, he was however on this path, at the point of attendance. - Did they phone him? did they get an opportunity to phone him?

The boyfriend and the find: Outwith that one blatant fact in this,  that it was Indeed LM who found Jodi. At this point there is no dog that is relevant to what these officers may have thought. But it is not on the premise that they had left together at t-time and that he had now claimed to find her? The only fitting up of anything here - is that addition to what actually did happen, in this time frame.  There is only the time frame, the correct information around the missing person report, and LM phoning the emergency services. But LM did not tell the emergency services he had found a body - did he? It was SK. Like the dog it makes no difference at this point, only of the boyfriend and the find - by that mere factor of communication. Of Judith telling the police his name and the operator taking his name when he called.

This separation - not true is it? LM was not instantly separated from anyone. All of this search party were together, for a considerable amount of time, upon the police and subsequently the emergency services arriving. We know they gave a statement of LM, of being calm and collective, of sitting texting away on his phone. They were not separated until they were taken to different police stations. Here it is important to understand why. CM had been drinking, she could not drive. The nearest station it would seem is the one on Morris R'd, which is directly beside Newbattle High School. LM was taken to Dalkeith police station, which is a short walk from the Mitchells house. However:

We also know that whilst the police may have initially thought, LM was the only person to have been at the locus. That when they stopped on Newbattle R'd to speak with CM (no lift, contamination), she had asked "is he under arrest?" We know that upon his arrival at the station, his clothing was requested, and taken. (not stripped and for contamination). It really needs to be in sequence, does it not? For it was after his clothing was taken, and before any samples, bloods or otherwise ( SL:5-6am) that a statement was taken from him in the presence of his mother. That whilst this statement was being taken from this mother and son - that statements were also being taken from AW, JaJ, SK and JuJ's at Newbattle police station. - and it is here is it not? that first clear area of suspicion had merit - we know the police were suspicious as they then requested samples and so forth to be taken, for LM to be examined. His clothing was not taken between 5-6am he was examined then.

What merited this suspicion - we know to this point that vital time factor. We know he had found Jodi, we know his demeanor was in total contrast to these others.  But it is those statements that split LM apart, as to why from that point - LM could not be eliminated?

Everything was in total contrast to the account he gave - not just the walking passed this V point, of the dog. But of Jodi meeting him around 6pm. Of this grounding/punishment that had been lifted. Of this mothers claim that her daughter should not have been in that area on her own, this ban. And these are only the areas we are actually clearly aware of. Of Jodi leaving before her dinner, of telling her mother that her and Luke would be "mucking around up here" - And it is important to consider here - of how these people were, when given their account, not just the information. - And it was from this point, was it not - that these lies began to unfold, one after the other.  Ms Leans deciphering of anything is not going to show how these witness's were -

What is also highly relevant at this point - is that none of the Jones family appeared to be suspicious of LM. These statements were given independently of each other - we know there was no suspicion upon him from them. They were simply telling it how it was, in the shock that they were in. We know this as JuJ visited with LM on more than one occasion in those following days. So no-one was out to get him - so to speak.

So there we have it, to a certain degree - Clear, well founded reasons, as to why LM became the prime suspect in those first 24hrs. Not this tunnel vision claim, and of fitting anyone up - what was to happen from this point, only added to what was already suspected - And it is here one should be asking why could he not be eliminated rather than why others were. And the answer to that is evidence. Not some obtuse reasoning about shady characters and so forth - A clear sequence of events. We can see this from SK alone, his DNA being present upon the clothing and so forth. No DNA of LM attributable to this murder - but the evidence in it's circumstantial form is second to none.

And this is only the very beginning of what actually happened in that 24hr period. And only a fraction of what was said in those first statements - It is very much a period, that requires lots of discussion. It is my opinion, that most people, who have jumped on board with these cries of Innocence - are completely unaware of this very fine time line - of what was actually said in those first statements - readily jumping on board with this foolish claim - that it was the dog who found Jodi, everyone said it was and changed their minds - nonsense.  It was LM who went straight to where Jodi was. And that is what they always said - It was always 'upon arriving at this V' - they did mention the dog, and it was always at this V.

Offline Nicholas

Re: Tunnel vision, by whom? Fit up by whom?
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2021, 07:01:21 PM »

CM had been drinking, she could not drive.

... what do you know

Does anyone know when Corrine started ‘drinking’? What was the catalyst ?
« Last Edit: May 06, 2021, 07:19:43 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Tunnel vision, by whom? Fit up by whom?
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2021, 07:50:17 PM »
Tunnel vision - A fit up?  Which would appear to ultimately start, with - that crucial, short time - from that first call to the police by Jodi's mother, the attendance at her house and a body being found around 11.30pm - We know this time frame is approx: 40mins. That first claim, this area and reasoning given for the tunnel vision. That an officer had written in his notepad "with the boyfriend" that only LM's number was given to the police and of that call, a body has been found by "the boyfriend" That LM was immediately separated from the rest, taken to a different station and stripped of his clothing - perfect?

Firstly to show that this first claim is completely false - it has absolutely no premise. There are four people involved here. Firstly Judith, secondly the receiver of the call, and two officers who attend at her house. It is absolutely ludicrous to suggest that the police left Judith's under the impression that Jodi had left with LM at t-time. We don't even require to go into any detail of these reports and so forth - the reason Jodi is reported missing, is because the meeting is claimed not to have taken place. She left to meet with him - he is saying she had not shown up.

The police are given LM's phone number - we know at the point of these officers being in attendance, that it is LM who is on this path. We know this as he had already told Judith at 10.59pm his whereabouts. And we know at this point that Jodi's family from Mayfield are only en-route. We know they are heading to Easthouse's. As was LM, he was however on this path, at the point of attendance. - Did they phone him? did they get an opportunity to phone him?

The boyfriend and the find: Outwith that one blatant fact in this,  that it was Indeed LM who found Jodi. At this point there is no dog that is relevant to what these officers may have thought. But it is not on the premise that they had left together at t-time and that he had now claimed to find her? The only fitting up of anything here - is that addition to what actually did happen, in this time frame.  There is only the time frame, the correct information around the missing person report, and LM phoning the emergency services. But LM did not tell the emergency services he had found a body - did he? It was SK. Like the dog it makes no difference at this point, only of the boyfriend and the find - by that mere factor of communication. Of Judith telling the police his name and the operator taking his name when he called.

This separation - not true is it? LM was not instantly separated from anyone. All of this search party were together, for a considerable amount of time, upon the police and subsequently the emergency services arriving. We know they gave a statement of LM, of being calm and collective, of sitting texting away on his phone. They were not separated until they were taken to different police stations. Here it is important to understand why. CM had been drinking, she could not drive. The nearest station it would seem is the one on Morris R'd, which is directly beside Newbattle High School. LM was taken to Dalkeith police station, which is a short walk from the Mitchells house. However:

We also know that whilst the police may have initially thought, LM was the only person to have been at the locus. That when they stopped on Newbattle R'd to speak with CM (no lift, contamination), she had asked "is he under arrest?" We know that upon his arrival at the station, his clothing was requested, and taken. (not stripped and for contamination). It really needs to be in sequence, does it not? For it was after his clothing was taken, and before any samples, bloods or otherwise ( SL:5-6am) that a statement was taken from him in the presence of his mother. That whilst this statement was being taken from this mother and son - that statements were also being taken from AW, JaJ, SK and JuJ's at Newbattle police station. - and it is here is it not? that first clear area of suspicion had merit - we know the police were suspicious as they then requested samples and so forth to be taken, for LM to be examined. His clothing was not taken between 5-6am he was examined then.

What merited this suspicion - we know to this point that vital time factor. We know he had found Jodi, we know his demeanor was in total contrast to these others.  But it is those statements that split LM apart, as to why from that point - LM could not be eliminated?

Everything was in total contrast to the account he gave - not just the walking passed this V point, of the dog. But of Jodi meeting him around 6pm. Of this grounding/punishment that had been lifted. Of this mothers claim that her daughter should not have been in that area on her own, this ban. And these are only the areas we are actually clearly aware of. Of Jodi leaving before her dinner, of telling her mother that her and Luke would be "mucking around up here" - And it is important to consider here - of how these people were, when given their account, not just the information. - And it was from this point, was it not - that these lies began to unfold, one after the other.  Ms Leans deciphering of anything is not going to show how these witness's were -

What is also highly relevant at this point - is that none of the Jones family appeared to be suspicious of LM. These statements were given independently of each other - we know there was no suspicion upon him from them. They were simply telling it how it was, in the shock that they were in. We know this as JuJ visited with LM on more than one occasion in those following days. So no-one was out to get him - so to speak.

So there we have it, to a certain degree - Clear, well founded reasons, as to why LM became the prime suspect in those first 24hrs. Not this tunnel vision claim, and of fitting anyone up - what was to happen from this point, only added to what was already suspected - And it is here one should be asking why could he not be eliminated rather than why others were. And the answer to that is evidence. Not some obtuse reasoning about shady characters and so forth - A clear sequence of events. We can see this from SK alone, his DNA being present upon the clothing and so forth. No DNA of LM attributable to this murder - but the evidence in it's circumstantial form is second to none.

And this is only the very beginning of what actually happened in that 24hr period. And only a fraction of what was said in those first statements - It is very much a period, that requires lots of discussion. It is my opinion, that most people, who have jumped on board with these cries of Innocence - are completely unaware of this very fine time line - of what was actually said in those first statements - readily jumping on board with this foolish claim - that it was the dog who found Jodi, everyone said it was and changed their minds - nonsense.  It was LM who went straight to where Jodi was. And that is what they always said - It was always 'upon arriving at this V' - they did mention the dog, and it was always at this V.

So much disinformation in the one post and life really is too short to point it all out. I’m sure you’ll get a round of applause from the usual suspects but it really is just preaching to the converted.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Tunnel vision, by whom? Fit up by whom?
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2021, 08:20:40 PM »
So much disinformation in the one post

She’s now posting on killer Omar Benguit

Wonder if she’ll tell her supporters how long Benguit had the witness statement for?

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Unsolved an Alibi for Omar BBC1 10.45 please watch a true miscarriage of justice #OmarBenguit

https://mobile.twitter.com/DEVILSADVOKAT/status/1389901808542363648

Omar Benguit was also represented by John Aidiniantz

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TrVI-crEXmw



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Offline Rusty

Re: Tunnel vision, by whom? Fit up by whom?
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2021, 09:02:04 PM »
Tunnel vision - A fit up?  Which would appear to ultimately start, with - that crucial, short time - from that first call to the police by Jodi's mother, the attendance at her house and a body being found around 11.30pm - We know this time frame is approx: 40mins. That first claim, this area and reasoning given for the tunnel vision. That an officer had written in his notepad "with the boyfriend" that only LM's number was given to the police and of that call, a body has been found by "the boyfriend" That LM was immediately separated from the rest, taken to a different station and stripped of his clothing - perfect?

Firstly to show that this first claim is completely false - it has absolutely no premise. There are four people involved here. Firstly Judith, secondly the receiver of the call, and two officers who attend at her house. It is absolutely ludicrous to suggest that the police left Judith's under the impression that Jodi had left with LM at t-time. We don't even require to go into any detail of these reports and so forth - the reason Jodi is reported missing, is because the meeting is claimed not to have taken place. She left to meet with him - he is saying she had not shown up.

The police are given LM's phone number - we know at the point of these officers being in attendance, that it is LM who is on this path. We know this as he had already told Judith at 10.59pm his whereabouts. And we know at this point that Jodi's family from Mayfield are only en-route. We know they are heading to Easthouse's. As was LM, he was however on this path, at the point of attendance. - Did they phone him? did they get an opportunity to phone him?

The boyfriend and the find: Outwith that one blatant fact in this,  that it was Indeed LM who found Jodi. At this point there is no dog that is relevant to what these officers may have thought. But it is not on the premise that they had left together at t-time and that he had now claimed to find her? The only fitting up of anything here - is that addition to what actually did happen, in this time frame.  There is only the time frame, the correct information around the missing person report, and LM phoning the emergency services. But LM did not tell the emergency services he had found a body - did he? It was SK. Like the dog it makes no difference at this point, only of the boyfriend and the find - by that mere factor of communication. Of Judith telling the police his name and the operator taking his name when he called.

This separation - not true is it? LM was not instantly separated from anyone. All of this search party were together, for a considerable amount of time, upon the police and subsequently the emergency services arriving. We know they gave a statement of LM, of being calm and collective, of sitting texting away on his phone. They were not separated until they were taken to different police stations. Here it is important to understand why. CM had been drinking, she could not drive. The nearest station it would seem is the one on Morris R'd, which is directly beside Newbattle High School. LM was taken to Dalkeith police station, which is a short walk from the Mitchells house. However:

We also know that whilst the police may have initially thought, LM was the only person to have been at the locus. That when they stopped on Newbattle R'd to speak with CM (no lift, contamination), she had asked "is he under arrest?" We know that upon his arrival at the station, his clothing was requested, and taken. (not stripped and for contamination). It really needs to be in sequence, does it not? For it was after his clothing was taken, and before any samples, bloods or otherwise ( SL:5-6am) that a statement was taken from him in the presence of his mother. That whilst this statement was being taken from this mother and son - that statements were also being taken from AW, JaJ, SK and JuJ's at Newbattle police station. - and it is here is it not? that first clear area of suspicion had merit - we know the police were suspicious as they then requested samples and so forth to be taken, for LM to be examined. His clothing was not taken between 5-6am he was examined then.

What merited this suspicion - we know to this point that vital time factor. We know he had found Jodi, we know his demeanor was in total contrast to these others.  But it is those statements that split LM apart, as to why from that point - LM could not be eliminated?

Everything was in total contrast to the account he gave - not just the walking passed this V point, of the dog. But of Jodi meeting him around 6pm. Of this grounding/punishment that had been lifted. Of this mothers claim that her daughter should not have been in that area on her own, this ban. And these are only the areas we are actually clearly aware of. Of Jodi leaving before her dinner, of telling her mother that her and Luke would be "mucking around up here" - And it is important to consider here - of how these people were, when given their account, not just the information. - And it was from this point, was it not - that these lies began to unfold, one after the other.  Ms Leans deciphering of anything is not going to show how these witness's were -

What is also highly relevant at this point - is that none of the Jones family appeared to be suspicious of LM. These statements were given independently of each other - we know there was no suspicion upon him from them. They were simply telling it how it was, in the shock that they were in. We know this as JuJ visited with LM on more than one occasion in those following days. So no-one was out to get him - so to speak.

So there we have it, to a certain degree - Clear, well founded reasons, as to why LM became the prime suspect in those first 24hrs. Not this tunnel vision claim, and of fitting anyone up - what was to happen from this point, only added to what was already suspected - And it is here one should be asking why could he not be eliminated rather than why others were. And the answer to that is evidence. Not some obtuse reasoning about shady characters and so forth - A clear sequence of events. We can see this from SK alone, his DNA being present upon the clothing and so forth. No DNA of LM attributable to this murder - but the evidence in it's circumstantial form is second to none.

And this is only the very beginning of what actually happened in that 24hr period. And only a fraction of what was said in those first statements - It is very much a period, that requires lots of discussion. It is my opinion, that most people, who have jumped on board with these cries of Innocence - are completely unaware of this very fine time line - of what was actually said in those first statements - readily jumping on board with this foolish claim - that it was the dog who found Jodi, everyone said it was and changed their minds - nonsense.  It was LM who went straight to where Jodi was. And that is what they always said - It was always 'upon arriving at this V' - they did mention the dog, and it was always at this V.

Have a round of applause parky  8@??)(

You don't happen to know who trained the dog? And who trained Luke to handle such a dog. Was there certificates handed out? Normally the case as you pass levels in courses. I asked this question years ago, and got abused for how dare i blah blah, I was persistent, the best I got, was some uncle done the training  *%87

Offline Nicholas

Re: Tunnel vision, by whom? Fit up by whom?
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2021, 09:07:51 PM »
Have a round of applause parky  8@??)(

You don't happen to know who trained the dog? And who trained Luke to handle such a dog. Was there certificates handed out? Normally the case as you pass levels in courses. I asked this question years ago, and got abused for how dare i blah blah, I was persistent, the best I got, was some uncle done the training  *%87

 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Tunnel vision, by whom? Fit up by whom?
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2021, 12:07:08 AM »
Tunnel vision - A fit up?  Which would appear to ultimately start, with - that crucial, short time - from that first call to the police by Jodi's mother, the attendance at her house and a body being found around 11.30pm - We know this time frame is approx: 40mins. That first claim, this area and reasoning given for the tunnel vision. That an officer had written in his notepad "with the boyfriend" that only LM's number was given to the police and of that call, a body has been found by "the boyfriend" That LM was immediately separated from the rest, taken to a different station and stripped of his clothing - perfect?

Firstly to show that this first claim is completely false - it has absolutely no premise. There are four people involved here. Firstly Judith, secondly the receiver of the call, and two officers who attend at her house. It is absolutely ludicrous to suggest that the police left Judith's under the impression that Jodi had left with LM at t-time. We don't even require to go into any detail of these reports and so forth - the reason Jodi is reported missing, is because the meeting is claimed not to have taken place. She left to meet with him - he is saying she had not shown up.

 8((()*/
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Re: Tunnel vision, by whom? Fit up by whom?
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2021, 08:34:56 AM »
She’s now posting on killer Omar Benguit

Wonder if she’ll tell her supporters how long Benguit had the witness statement for?

GIOVANNI DI STEFANO
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Unsolved an Alibi for Omar BBC1 10.45 please watch a true miscarriage of justice #OmarBenguit

https://mobile.twitter.com/DEVILSADVOKAT/status/1389901808542363648

Omar Benguit was also represented by John Aidiniantz

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TrVI-crEXmw


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Re: Tunnel vision, by whom? Fit up by whom?
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2021, 01:16:59 PM »
Those statements that CD refers to in the early hours of July the first: - We have already covered why LM was at Dalkeith police station - for easy walking distance for his mother. We know that a statement was taken from Luke with his mother, also independent ones from Jodi's mother, AW and the other two search party members elsewhere.  What we also know, is that it was abundantly clear that Jodi's family had no ill feelings towards LM. That there was no reason to make anything up, of what had actually occurred whilst searching this path. We know the statements were independent of each other. None, knowing what the others were saying. The relevant factors that are clearly missing when we have been given information on these - is that of demeanor and we know that the police, as well as taken these individual accounts, will be taking careful note - of how these witness's come across. Shock, upset and of appearing truthful. We also know at this point, just prior to these accounts being given. That LM's clothing had been requested, that there is that apparent, initial belief - that only LM had been over the wall, and of believing that he had actually been at the locus - not some distance from it. And the police were to discover that the only member of this party of 4, to have went close to Jodi was AW. - After taken those statements and within hours just of this discovery. Those early hours of the Tuesday morning.

What we also know from these statements, unaware of the people who were given them (outwith LM) is those contrasts that can have left nothing short of several red flags being raised. We know, that there is much more to a statement of what a dog may have done. And we know now with clarity that this contrast, had always been as to where LM claimed the search party were, some 40ft passed this V break in the wall. (that exact distance Jodi was) We had one person against three people whom, all independently said, upon reaching this V break in the wall. I have mentioned this long road before - all that has ever been required is those sentences, from those statements that said - we all walked some distance, passed this V break in the wall, when Luke's dog ----------- Instead we are consistently drawn to this somewhat futile claim, that all agreed it was Mia who found Jodi then changed their minds. We have been over this time scale, of not walking passed this V and the ease in which LM handled, this claimed unfamiliar territory - No trepidation, he knew exactly where to go.

One person over three. We have SK making ref to this dogs head being level with this V - an impossible thing to have seen, had he even been 10ft passed this and continuing to walk. Of JaJ's, of this dog pulling to the V, not passed it but at it. Of AW and JaJ both saying Luke had started to walk down to the left. That AW had been handed the lead. It was not just AW who gave ref to this lead being handed over. And upon LM, starting to walk to his left. AW remained at this V, SK and JaJ had then continued their walk down this path. That they had walked a short distance when LM had shouted he had found something. That upon them running back this short distance - LM, was yet again on the other side of this V. - Did he make any claim to having ran back? - And this short distance walked, of running back, of LM being back at this V - was crucial in showing that LM was nowhere near to where Jodi lay. - The description and account he gave. Of the type of tree, of the red hair fastener, down to those socks. - the time factor, not only crucial but the actual claim of what was seen and of which happened.

It is easy is it not - to distract, of dogs finding bodies all the time, to make claim to statements being the same when the most part of them was in total contrast. - to lean on these witness's changing their minds. - to pretty much lean on each and every witness - to combat the continuous lies from the Mitchells. One can not change those lies, and one can not change those time factors. At any point throughout that evening. It is easy to ask for CCTV footage of AB to show her bank statement to be wrong? Of disregarding all else - to take her away from that sighting just before 5pm. We have this lady being called all sorts over these years -  From span of a gnat recently - to yet another hypothetical line of reasoning, from Ms Lean. - that she was coerced by the police. That they put the idea in her head about the pocket. - No one needed coerced. We need solid reason and foundations around the lies, told by the Mitchells. This strive to pick an area from these others, to show they may have lied? - This is akin to showing LM had showed any signs of upset or trauma - completely empty of substance.

Stepping forward on those statements around this search and of the call to the emergency services and of LM. We know that LM had called and we know that LM had said "we", not him but "we" have found something. It was led in court that LM led the operator and the police a merry dance. That he would not say what he found, and that he gave no clear directions as to where they were. Full of erm. erm, you know where this is ---- and he did not say they had found a body. It was SK who took over the call, screaming "It's a f*****g body", and it was SK who phoned back, frantic, demanding to know why the police were taking so long - And we know why, as LM had led them a merry dance, of given no clear directions - already being evasive of his in depth knowledge of this area. And he did keep saying "we" it is therefore impossible for the police, along with Judith's information to have thought - only LM had been present, alone, in this search to when Jodi was (claimed) found. By the mere fact four people where there - when the police arrived.

And, again - Those recordings played at trial, that Ms Lean does admit to being played, that she does not have them in her possession, that she has the court transcript around them? Showed the distinction - of whom was calm, leading the operator a merry dance, changing to screaming down the phone. - so these, somewhat desperate attempts to show LM was effected in any way, two tiny areas that fell flat - which were weighed up against a mountain of evidence - that he showed no signs of trauma, shock and so forth. Of JaJ and everyone being in hysterics - of being asked at a later time, to think, to recall what each person was actually doing. - Something that is often sought from initial accounts, clarification around many areas.

There are no remarkable double standards - No wrong DNA testing - and Jodi Jones was most definitely not murdered elsewhere - this type of claim in itself, should distance oneself from believing anything that is said, from this claimed credible source? - Mr Apples, of working his way through the book, to then going to have a better idea whom the killer/s were? - which tells us one thing clearly - the books is no better than a who done it? - Fantasy, fact and fiction rolled into one? What If's, well what IF you are indeed being led a merry dance, as were the police by LM - as he is apparently still doing? - Michael Finkel and Christian Longo comes to mind here? Exclusive rights? - to tell it the way the Mitchells want? - Of confessions, and theories around scrap merchants?

Those statements, and this is only around the discovery - we have not even touched yet on that other contrast - Of LM claiming Jodi was coming to his house after dinner - and of Jodi leaving much earlier to meet with him --------
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Re: Tunnel vision, by whom? Fit up by whom?
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2021, 03:29:49 PM »
Those statements that CD refers to in the early hours of July the first: - We have already covered why LM was at Dalkeith police station - for easy walking distance for his mother. We know that a statement was taken from Luke with his mother, also independent ones from Jodi's mother, AW and the other two search party members elsewhere.  What we also know, is that it was abundantly clear that Jodi's family had no ill feelings towards LM. That there was no reason to make anything up, of what had actually occurred whilst searching this path. We know the statements were independent of each other. None, knowing what the others were saying. The relevant factors that are clearly missing when we have been given information on these - is that of demeanor and we know that the police, as well as taken these individual accounts, will be taking careful note - of how these witness's come across. Shock, upset and of appearing truthful. We also know at this point, just prior to these accounts being given. That LM's clothing had been requested, that there is that apparent, initial belief - that only LM had been over the wall, and of believing that he had actually been at the locus - not some distance from it. And the police were to discover that the only member of this party of 4, to have went close to Jodi was AW. - After taken those statements and within hours just of this discovery. Those early hours of the Tuesday morning.

What we also know from these statements, unaware of the people who were given them (outwith LM) is those contrasts that can have left nothing short of several red flags being raised. We know, that there is much more to a statement of what a dog may have done. And we know now with clarity that this contrast, had always been as to where LM claimed the search party were, some 40ft passed this V break in the wall. (that exact distance Jodi was) We had one person against three people whom, all independently said, upon reaching this V break in the wall. I have mentioned this long road before - all that has ever been required is those sentences, from those statements that said - we all walked some distance, passed this V break in the wall, when Luke's dog ----------- Instead we are consistently drawn to this somewhat futile claim, that all agreed it was Mia who found Jodi then changed their minds. We have been over this time scale, of not walking passed this V and the ease in which LM handled, this claimed unfamiliar territory - No trepidation, he knew exactly where to go.

One person over three. We have SK making ref to this dogs head being level with this V - an impossible thing to have seen, had he even been 10ft passed this and continuing to walk. Of JaJ's, of this dog pulling to the V, not passed it but at it. Of AW and JaJ both saying Luke had started to walk down to the left. That AW had been handed the lead. It was not just AW who gave ref to this lead being handed over. And upon LM, starting to walk to his left. AW remained at this V, SK and JaJ had then continued their walk down this path. That they had walked a short distance when LM had shouted he had found something. That upon them running back this short distance - LM, was yet again on the other side of this V. - Did he make any claim to having ran back? - And this short distance walked, of running back, of LM being back at this V - was crucial in showing that LM was nowhere near to where Jodi lay. - The description and account he gave. Of the type of tree, of the red hair fastener, down to those socks. - the time factor, not only crucial but the actual claim of what was seen and of which happened.

It is easy is it not - to distract, of dogs finding bodies all the time, to make claim to statements being the same when the most part of them was in total contrast. - to lean on these witness's changing their minds. - to pretty much lean on each and every witness - to combat the continuous lies from the Mitchells. One can not change those lies, and one can not change those time factors. At any point throughout that evening. It is easy to ask for CCTV footage of AB to show her bank statement to be wrong? Of disregarding all else - to take her away from that sighting just before 5pm. We have this lady being called all sorts over these years -  From span of a gnat recently - to yet another hypothetical line of reasoning, from Ms Lean. - that she was coerced by the police. That they put the idea in her head about the pocket. - No one needed coerced. We need solid reason and foundations around the lies, told by the Mitchells. This strive to pick an area from these others, to show they may have lied? - This is akin to showing LM had showed any signs of upset or trauma - completely empty of substance.

Stepping forward on those statements around this search and of the call to the emergency services and of LM. We know that LM had called and we know that LM had said "we", not him but "we" have found something. It was led in court that LM led the operator and the police a merry dance. That he would not say what he found, and that he gave no clear directions as to where they were. Full of erm. erm, you know where this is ---- and he did not say they had found a body. It was SK who took over the call, screaming "It's a f*****g body", and it was SK who phoned back, frantic, demanding to know why the police were taking so long - And we know why, as LM had led them a merry dance, of given no clear directions - already being evasive of his in depth knowledge of this area. And he did keep saying "we" it is therefore impossible for the police, along with Judith's information to have thought - only LM had been present, alone, in this search to when Jodi was (claimed) found. By the mere fact four people where there - when the police arrived.

And, again - Those recordings played at trial, that Ms Lean does admit to being played, that she does not have them in her possession, that she has the court transcript around them? Showed the distinction - of whom was calm, leading the operator a merry dance, changing to screaming down the phone. - so these, somewhat desperate attempts to show LM was effected in any way, two tiny areas that fell flat - which were weighed up against a mountain of evidence - that he showed no signs of trauma, shock and so forth. Of JaJ and everyone being in hysterics - of being asked at a later time, to think, to recall what each person was actually doing. - Something that is often sought from initial accounts, clarification around many areas.

There are no remarkable double standards - No wrong DNA testing - and Jodi Jones was most definitely not murdered elsewhere - this type of claim in itself, should distance oneself from believing anything that is said, from this claimed credible source? - Mr Apples, of working his way through the book, to then going to have a better idea whom the killer/s were? - which tells us one thing clearly - the books is no better than a who done it? - Fantasy, fact and fiction rolled into one? What If's, well what IF you are indeed being led a merry dance, as were the police by LM - as he is apparently still doing? - Michael Finkel and Christian Longo comes to mind here? Exclusive rights? - to tell it the way the Mitchells want? - Of confessions, and theories around scrap merchants?

Those statements, and this is only around the discovery - we have not even touched yet on that other contrast - Of LM claiming Jodi was coming to his house after dinner - and of Jodi leaving much earlier to meet with him --------

I agree that, at first, Jodi's family bore no ill will towards Luke, and JuJ ,  even visited him  after the murder to see how he was.

Luke was with members of Jodi's family when her body was discovered.  He is said to have expressed no emotion. Don't you think the relatives would have found that very odd, if true, and , as a result, would not have felt sympathy for him?  On the contrary, IMO, they would have been very suspicious of him, but, at first, they were not.

Strange, don't you think?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Tunnel vision, by whom? Fit up by whom?
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2021, 03:57:49 PM »
I agree that, at first, Jodi's family bore no ill will towards Luke, and JuJ ,  even visited him  after the murder to see how he was.

Luke was with members of Jodi's family when her body was discovered.  He is said to have expressed no emotion. Don't you think the relatives would have found that very odd, if true, and , as a result, would not have felt sympathy for him?  On the contrary, IMO, they would have been very suspicious of him, but, at first, they were not.

Strange, don't you think?

Very good point.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Tunnel vision, by whom? Fit up by whom?
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2021, 04:05:03 PM »
I agree that, at first, Jodi's family bore no ill will towards Luke, and JuJ ,  even visited him  after the murder to see how he was.

Luke was with members of Jodi's family when her body was discovered.  He is said to have expressed no emotion. Don't you think the relatives would have found that very odd, if true, and , as a result, would not have felt sympathy for him?  On the contrary, IMO, they would have been very suspicious of him, but, at first, they were not.

Strange, don't you think?

How did they feel about him on a subconscious level ?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Tunnel vision, by whom? Fit up by whom?
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2021, 04:05:22 PM »
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Offline Brietta

Re: Tunnel vision, by whom? Fit up by whom?
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2021, 04:24:34 PM »
I agree that, at first, Jodi's family bore no ill will towards Luke, and JuJ ,  even visited him  after the murder to see how he was.

Luke was with members of Jodi's family when her body was discovered.  He is said to have expressed no emotion. Don't you think the relatives would have found that very odd, if true, and , as a result, would not have felt sympathy for him?  On the contrary, IMO, they would have been very suspicious of him, but, at first, they were not.

Strange, don't you think?

I think it would have been very difficult initially for Jodi's family to to view the boy they knew she idolised and who allegedly felt the same about Jodi with suspicion.
They didn't know of the existence of another girl who considered herself to be his girlfriend and it possibly took a long time of reflecting on events for them to start thinking the unthinkable.

Perhaps as Jodi's family became more familiar with Mitchell the more their suspicion of him was aroused.

Snip
Her mother Judy Jones branded Mitchell a "sociopath" who showed no emotion when she hugged him after Jodi's body was found.

Heartbroken Judy, who has slammed the killer and his family's attempts to appeal his conviction, said Mitchell is a person "without feeling or emotion".

Posting online in 2011, Judy hit out at Mitchell and mother Corinne, writing: “Jodi would be disgusted at the roads you all take in your hypocritical stance of justice.”
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/6692694/luke-mitchell-jodi-jones-murder-documentary-easthouses/
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Tunnel vision, by whom? Fit up by whom?
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2021, 04:34:51 PM »
I think it would have been very difficult initially for Jodi's family to to view the boy they knew she idolised and who allegedly felt the same about Jodi with suspicion.
They didn't know of the existence of another girl who considered herself to be his girlfriend and it possibly took a long time of reflecting on events for them to start thinking the unthinkable.

Perhaps as Jodi's family became more familiar with Mitchell the more their suspicion of him was aroused.

Snip
Her mother Judy Jones branded Mitchell a "sociopath" who showed no emotion when she hugged him after Jodi's body was found.

Heartbroken Judy, who has slammed the killer and his family's attempts to appeal his conviction, said Mitchell is a person "without feeling or emotion".

Posting online in 2011, Judy hit out at Mitchell and mother Corinne, writing: “Jodi would be disgusted at the roads you all take in your hypocritical stance of justice.”
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/6692694/luke-mitchell-jodi-jones-murder-documentary-easthouses/

So much for the dignified silence from the family.

And the ‘other woman’ was 13 at the time. A ‘boyfriend’ to a 13 year old, I remember because I used to be one, is a totally different animal from the way an adult views a similar relationship.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?