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Offline Parky41

Re: Obviously it was fresh in my mind when I gave my statement
« Reply #330 on: October 07, 2024, 04:16:31 PM »
YMMV?
If i had murdered someone and returned to the murder site with a dog trained in tracking I would expect it to show an interest in that site, so what does this prove or disprove exactly?

Claimed partial training, locating a toy from a tree! The bog standard play games.

You would indeed expect the dog to take an interest in the scent of its master. You would also expect the dog to take in the scent of many other dogs such as DD's 8 spaniels who had been over that break earlier that evening. And of course other dogs along the path scenting at the wall, damn dogs in the field running loose also. LM's dog was on a short lead at all times. It had nothing to scent with in respect of that young girl. But and again, this is in respect of where the dog was actually standing up at the wall, sniffing the V shape lol. You know, where DD and his 8 spaniels had been over before, no doubt on their return journey also.

Let's just remind people where the victims body lay which was some 43ft west of that V break, several feet in from the wall. Now let us remind people again of what LM claimed had taken place. Of his dog reacting some distance past that V break. Not quite 20yrds. Not bad eh? That he had to return to the break in the wall to gain access. That he turned left to follow in the direction of where his dog had reacted (claimed) parallel to on the path side of that wall. Did not happen. It was always that the dog was up at that wall at the V break, its head level with the base of that shape. That not them, LM, the dog had been where LM claimed. Straight to that V break, up and over and his pretence of going left.

Got to love this 'assuming' the murder had taken place there. WTAF has that got to do with LM's lies? It changes absolutely nothing of him knowing where the victims body had been hidden behind his "large oak tree" It doesn't erase all of that, replace the dogs interest in the V break with an alternate murder place - Hilarious.
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Offline Parky41

Re: Obviously it was fresh in my mind when I gave my statement
« Reply #331 on: October 07, 2024, 05:10:24 PM »
Claimed partial training, locating a toy from a tree! The bog standard play games.

You would indeed expect the dog to take an interest in the scent of its master. You would also expect the dog to take in the scent of many other dogs such as DD's 8 spaniels who had been over that break earlier that evening. And of course other dogs along the path scenting at the wall, damn dogs in the field running loose also. LM's dog was on a short lead at all times. It had nothing to scent with in respect of that young girl. But and again, this is in respect of where the dog was actually standing up at the wall, sniffing the V shape lol. You know, where DD and his 8 spaniels had been over before, no doubt on their return journey also.

Let's just remind people where the victims body lay which was some 43ft west of that V break, several feet in from the wall. Now let us remind people again of what LM claimed had taken place. Of his dog reacting some distance past that V break. Not quite 60yrds. Not bad eh? That he had to return to the break in the wall to gain access. That he turned left to follow in the direction of where his dog had reacted (claimed) parallel to on the path side of that wall. Did not happen. It was always that the dog was up at that wall at the V break, its head level with the base of that shape. That not them, LM, the dog had been where LM claimed. Straight to that V break, up and over and his pretence of going left.

Got to love this 'assuming' the murder had taken place there. WTAF has that got to do with LM's lies? It changes absolutely nothing of him knowing where the victims body had been hidden behind his "large oak tree" It doesn't erase all of that, replace the dogs interest in the V break with an alternate murder place - Hilarious.

Therefore yes, it certainly was demonstrated that LM had prior knowledge. Not least of all because he made us some fable of where his dog had been putting off this alert. Did not happen, there was no point A (LM's position) There was only point B (The V break). We really do need context not this continuous dog & wall game. His 'large oak tree' he described the body being behind. Marvellous stuff, the lad who claimed never to have been in there before. Enters that woodland alone in the dark (torch or not), takes in a big "oak tree" Pull the other one. Describes a hair fastener that only the killer could have known about. Deeply embedded in the victims hair, found by the pathologist. Victim facing upwards!  Clothing, injuries etc.

Back to the evidence. It was demonstrated that LM had all but not moved beyond that wall when entering the woodland. The boy who claimed never to have been in there before. Who described the tree by type that the victims body lay behind. His "big oak tree," describing things only the killer would know, someone familiar with the scene. Such as that distinctive hair tie, no doubt intentionally left out of the reconstruction for that reason. We know his alert did not take place where he claimed, we know there was absolutely nothing to guide him to the spot where the victims body lay. But let us talk time here?

The dog is standing up at the V break, a dark woodland lies beyond that wall. The boy claims never to have been in there before. AW takes the dogs lead, she stays at the break. JaJ's with SK continue to walk away from the V break. (spot the flaws again with LM's fable?) The young couple walk around 10 -15 no more than '20' steps when LM calls out, his voice 'behind' them. AW who describes his voice as being next to her (The V break). They haste back that tiny distance and LM is indeed at the V break. He had all but not moved beyond that wall. Everything he was to describe was shown to have come from prior knowledge. All stuck fast in that web of deceit he kept spinning?

An incredulous tale from a boy with zero credibility. 

 

Offline KenMair

Re: Obviously it was fresh in my mind when I gave my statement
« Reply #332 on: October 07, 2024, 05:15:10 PM »
  Beyond that your comment assumes that the murder took place where [Name removed]'s body was found, and two former detectives disputed that matter.

Who were the two former detectives? Were they working on the case at the time? As regards David Wilson, he made a newspaper comment based on what he'd read of the case. I'd be very surprised if he ever mentions it again, far less include it in one of his books or TV programmes.

Offline Alf

Re: Obviously it was fresh in my mind when I gave my statement
« Reply #333 on: October 07, 2024, 05:19:46 PM »
Even if there are two reasonable interpretations of Mia's behavior, the burden is the prosecution to show that LM had prior knowledge of its location, and they failed to do so.  Beyond that your comment assumes that the murder took place where [Name removed]'s body was found, and two former detectives disputed that matter.
(YMMV means your mileage may vary)
Thanks clarifying , I was concerned it might stand for You Make Me Vomit  @)(++(*
My comment assumes nothing of the sort actually, what peculiar logic..

Offline Alf

Re: flawed premise
« Reply #334 on: October 07, 2024, 05:24:45 PM »
These kind of comments does make me wonder how the writer thinks case law or police procedures are devised?
You’re right, I was unaware that Scottish law and police procedures are influenced by cases that occur in the USA.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Obviously it was fresh in my mind when I gave my statement
« Reply #335 on: October 07, 2024, 07:26:46 PM »
Therefore yes, it certainly was demonstrated that LM had prior knowledge. Not least of all because he made us some fable of where his dog had been putting off this alert. Did not happen, there was no point A (LM's position) There was only point B (The V break). We really do need context not this continuous dog & wall game. His 'large oak tree' he described the body being behind. Marvellous stuff, the lad who claimed never to have been in there before. Enters that woodland alone in the dark (torch or not), takes in a big "oak tree" Pull the other one. Describes a hair fastener that only the killer could have known about. Deeply embedded in the victims hair, found by the pathologist. Victim facing upwards!  Clothing, injuries etc.

Back to the evidence. It was demonstrated that LM had all but not moved beyond that wall when entering the woodland. The boy who claimed never to have been in there before. Who described the tree by type that the victims body lay behind. His "big oak tree," describing things only the killer would know, someone familiar with the scene. Such as that distinctive hair tie, no doubt intentionally left out of the reconstruction for that reason. We know his alert did not take place where he claimed, we know there was absolutely nothing to guide him to the spot where the victims body lay. But let us talk time here?

The dog is standing up at the V break, a dark woodland lies beyond that wall. The boy claims never to have been in there before. AW takes the dogs lead, she stays at the break. JaJ's with SK continue to walk away from the V break. (spot the flaws again with LM's fable?) The young couple walk around 10 -15 no more than '20' steps when LM calls out, his voice 'behind' them. AW who describes his voice as being next to her (The V break). They haste back that tiny distance and LM is indeed at the V break. He had all but not moved beyond that wall. Everything he was to describe was shown to have come from prior knowledge. All stuck fast in that web of deceit he kept spinning?

An incredulous tale from a boy with zero credibility.

Not commenting on the rest of your post as it’s been torn to shreds a hundred times before but this did interest me.

‘ Describes a hair fastener that only the killer could have known about. Deeply embedded in the victims hair, found by the pathologist.’

Bryson’s sighting had no scrunchy in her hair so, if it was Jodi she saw, when did Jodi put her hair up? As she was angrily berating Luke about his secret girlfriend, as he was dragging her to her deathbed or perhaps to give him greater access to her neck? When?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Chris_Halkides

Re: Obviously it was fresh in my mind when I gave my statement
« Reply #336 on: October 07, 2024, 07:38:50 PM »
Thanks clarifying , I was concerned it might stand for You Make Me Vomit  @)(++(*
My comment assumes nothing of the sort actually, what peculiar logic..
You wrote, "...returned to the murder site..."

Offline Alf

Re: Obviously it was fresh in my mind when I gave my statement
« Reply #337 on: October 07, 2024, 08:00:26 PM »
You wrote, "...returned to the murder site..."
Nitpicking.  I meant the site where the victim lay.  It doesn’t alter my point in any way, shape or form. So let me say it again in more precise terms.  If I had murdered someone and returned to the vicinity of the victim’s corpse with a tracker dog I would expect the dog to show an interest in that vicinity.  Hope that’s quite clear now.

Offline Alf

Re: Obviously it was fresh in my mind when I gave my statement
« Reply #338 on: October 08, 2024, 09:11:41 AM »
Not commenting on the rest of your post as it’s been torn to shreds a hundred times before but this did interest me.

‘ Describes a hair fastener that only the killer could have known about. Deeply embedded in the victims hair, found by the pathologist.’

Bryson’s sighting had no scrunchy in her hair so, if it was Jodi she saw, when did Jodi put her hair up? As she was angrily berating Luke about his secret girlfriend, as he was dragging her to her deathbed or perhaps to give him greater access to her neck? When?
Do you have a link to the Bryson statement or witness testimony?  I would like to read it, tia.

Offline KenMair

Re: Obviously it was fresh in my mind when I gave my statement
« Reply #339 on: October 08, 2024, 12:07:57 PM »
Do you have a link to the Bryson statement or witness testimony?  I would like to read it, tia.

More transcripts available at this website.

https://lmtranscriptdiscussion.blogspot.com/2024/06/andrina-bryson-testimony-vs-innocents.html


Offline Alf

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #341 on: October 08, 2024, 05:24:54 PM »
https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2024_06_16_archive.html
https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2024/06/andrina-bryson-10th-nov-2004.html

Days one and two of Andrina Bryson's testimony.
Thanks.  So contrary to what Faithlilly has assertrd above, Bryson does suggest the girl she saw may have been wearing her her in a ponytail.  One might need a scrunchy in order to do so, no?

Offline faithlilly

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #342 on: October 08, 2024, 07:55:10 PM »
https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2024_06_16_archive.html
https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2024/06/andrina-bryson-10th-nov-2004.html

Days one and two of Andrina Bryson's testimony.

We’re looking at Day 1.

It appears Bryson saw a wave in her sighting’s hair as if it may have been in a ponytail at some point but not when she saw the female.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Alf

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #343 on: October 08, 2024, 08:07:03 PM »
We’re looking at Day 1.

It appears Bryson saw a wave in her sighting’s hair as if it may have been in a ponytail at some point but not when she saw the female.
She did not state categorically that there was no ponytail.  Furthermore if it had the appearance of having recently been in a ponytail it’s unlikely to have remained in that style for more than a couple of minute which suggests that a hair tie was still on hand, possibly even literally.  My daughter is constantly fiddling with her top knot, removing her scrunchy, putting it on her wrist and retying it moments later. 

Offline Gummybear

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #344 on: October 11, 2024, 08:11:01 AM »
We need to bear in mind that the police took the crime scene photographs AFTER the police moved Jodi. Any scrunchie could have easily been hidden from this point compared to the finding of the body, however it’s well stated that this was a reporter who wrote a comment and he had no idea why he jotted that down in his diary. It’s got no substance at all