Mark Williams-Thomas making new three part crime series for Ch5.

[sadie]

Ok, so the investigation was flawed.

But, you'd still have to believe the innocent mother didn't phone the police about her missing daughter etc etc etc as I've repeated.

It isn't reasonable to believe an innocent mother would do such a thing, so, it's obvious she lied about Joana not coming home from the shop, something else happened & she was involved.

Agreed?

They were very poor.  Did she have a phone?

Leonor also thought that Joana had gone visiting a relative in the nearby village and IIRC she went over there to check.   PLease correct me if I am wrong about that.

I believe she notified one of the three police force offcers ( I think the GNR) on her way home at about midnight.



Please correct me if I am wrong about any of this.

[Eleanor]

There are plenty in Portugal who happen to agree with you, I remember reading a poll about it in some Portuguese paper years ago.

Me too.  And some very brave ordinary Portuguese people did comment as such, at a time when they were afraid.

Even a couple of prominent people voiced the same suspicions.

Cristovao remains a thug, currently incarcerated.

[Wonderfulspam]

They were very poor.  Did she have a phone?

Leonor also thought that Joana had gone visiting a relative in the nearby village and IIRC she went over there to check.   PLease correct me if I am wrong about that.

I believe she notified one of the three police force offcers ( I think the GNR) on her way home at about midnight.



Please correct me if I am wrong about any of this.

Why not just present the evidence to support your claims?

How about that?

[G-Unit]

Do you seriously expect any member of this forum to provide a cite when as a rule of thumb you ignore like requests.

Or are you still in the process of sourcing the one I requested from you this morning. Lol

I provided a cite in answer to a post which said;

"First that he's the spokesman for thee investigation. The idea of 100% evidence therefore doesn't come from him but from the investigation.
The reason he couldn't answer all the questions re the phone is that he doesn't have all the information... That's held by the investigating team"
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12181.msg674937#msg674937

My cite showed that in Germany the prosecutor directs criminal investigations. They also assess the evidence and decide if and when a suspect can be charged.

Prosecutors are not 'spokespersons' and they do have all the information that has been gathered.

I'm not asking anyone for a cite, but if they wish to support their statement they're probably going to need one.

[Eleanor]

Ok, so the investigation was flawed.

But, you'd still have to believe the innocent mother didn't phone the police about her missing daughter etc etc etc as I've repeated.

It isn't reasonable to believe an innocent mother would do such a thing, so, it's obvious she lied about Joana not coming home from the shop, something else happened & she was involved.

Agreed?

The whole village at the time was full of Portuguese Policemen.  Leonor tried to talk to them but they weren't interested.  So she tried to search on her own.

[G-Unit]

So quizzing Wolters in the phone info is to s certain extent avesste of time.
Msrk S seemed to find it a big deal he couldn't answer all the questions but it makes perfect sense

I wonder if the BKA were giving Wolters misleading evidence about the mobile phone masts and the area they covered? Interesting...

[Venturi Swirl]

Cite?

I don’t have one, so call me a liar by all means, but I know what I saw.

[Wonderfulspam]

I don’t have one, so call me a liar by all means, but I know what I saw.

I saw a poll once where 78.3% of people questioned believed most statistics are made up on the spot.

[Eleanor]

I don’t have one, so call me a liar by all means, but I know what I saw.

I saw it all as well.  But we have too many Jonny Come Latelys these days.  People who turned up for a laugh or a punch up.

[Wonderfulspam]

I saw it all as well.  But we have too many Jonny Come Latelys these days.  People who turned up for a laugh or a punch up.

I saw it too.

It wasn't true.

[Eleanor]

I saw it too.

It wasn't true.

What wasn't true?  The opinions of other Portuguese people?

Even one of The Judges disagreed with the verdict and ordered that to be put on record.

[Wonderfulspam]

What wasn't true?  The opinions of other Portuguese people?

Even one of The Judges disagreed with the verdict and ordered that to be put on record.

Good job there were two rational judges in the room.

[Eleanor]

Good job there were two rational judges in the room.

You could say that, but then you would.  Two out of three is hardly definitive.  It's a disgrace actually.

[Brietta]

I provided a cite in answer to a post which said;

"First that he's the spokesman for thee investigation. The idea of 100% evidence therefore doesn't come from him but from the investigation.
The reason he couldn't answer all the questions re the phone is that he doesn't have all the information... That's held by the investigating team"
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12181.msg674937#msg674937

My cite showed that in Germany the prosecutor directs criminal investigations. They also assess the evidence and decide if and when a suspect can be charged.

Prosecutors are not 'spokespersons' and they do have all the information that has been gathered.

I'm not asking anyone for a cite, but if they wish to support their statement they're probably going to need one.

Hmmm. 

Now, any chance of you posting one in support of your opinion as I requested.

Do you have a cite for "Madeleine's parents agreed with you that it wasn't her" says she in the forlorn hope that either you will provide one or admit that you cannot because you don't have one just for a wee change.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12181.msg674921#msg674921

[jassi]

You could say that, but then you would.  Two out of three is hardly definitive.  It's a disgrace actually.

Of course it is. Would you argue the same if the decision had gone the other way ?

There is an odd number so that there is always a majority.