Mark Williams-Thomas making new three part crime series for Ch5.

[Brietta]

Carl Beech accused a whole string of people against whom there was no evidence.  While he himself was a paedophile.

The horrible thing is that he was believed without question.  This vile person was for a time running the show on English justice and the harm he did to that and undoubtedly to the lives he touched using the power invested in him by public and 'me too' opinion is immeasurable.

[Brietta]

Well there was evidence against Savile.

There may have been 'evidence'.  But without proof that 'evidence' is worthless.  As the exponent of the right to the presumption of innocence for a man of already bad character proven in the courts, one would have presumed you would have extended the belief in that right to encompass all.

[faithlilly]

There may have been 'evidence'.  But without proof that 'evidence' is worthless.  As the exponent of the right to the presumption of innocence for a man of already bad character proven in the courts, one would have presumed you would have extended the belief in that right to encompass all.

What the Saville case does prove is that if you throw enough money at lawyers anyone can be silenced.

[John]

Like what?

Like people who were sexually assaulted by him but were not taken seriously at the time. After all, who would possibly make such claims against one of the BBC's most high profile stars who did so much for charity. Savile was untouchable at the time and he knew it. He must have had half the country thinking he was something special but all along he was just a filthy letch with money and connections.

[sadie]

Like people who were sexually assaulted by him but were not taken seriously at the time. After all, who would possibly make such claims against one of the BBC's most high profile stars who did so much for charity. Savile was untouchable at the time and he knew it. He must have had half the country thinking he was something special but all along he was just a filthy letch with money and connections.

Sorry, Elli, but I didn't trust him either.

We took our daughter, then aged about 8, up to the Highland Games in Fort William.   To our surprise we found that Savile was there in his caravan greeting people, his fans.  Our daughter was a pretty rosy cheeked and curly fair haired little girl.   She loved *Top of the Pops * and we took her to meet him.

His roar when he saw her and his eyes seeming to pop out and roll frightened her to death, and us.   We were glad not to go any closer.


OK this proves nothing, I know that, but women (and children) do have a feeling when men come close to them in  what they perceive to be a 'nasty' way.    I just don't trust him.   Perhaps I am being unfair?

[Myster]

Like people who were sexually assaulted by him but were not taken seriously at the time. After all, who would possibly make such claims against one of the BBC's most high profile stars who did so much for charity. Savile was untouchable at the time and he knew it. He must have had half the country thinking he was something special but all along he was just a filthy letch with money and connections.

A few on this forum are happy to close their eyes to Savile's appalling and despicable sexual abuse, and not just when he was a BBC employee...

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jun/26/jimmy-savile-victims-leeds-general-infirmary-investigators

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jun/26/former-child-patients-recount-jimmy-savile-abuse-leeds-hospital

[G-Unit]

Like people who were sexually assaulted by him but were not taken seriously at the time. After all, who would possibly make such claims against one of the BBC's most high profile stars who did so much for charity. Savile was untouchable at the time and he knew it. He must have had half the country thinking he was something special but all along he was just a filthy letch with money and connections.

The culture and structure of the BBC helped him too, apparently. His connections with the Prince of Wales and the Prime Minister were useful too, I expect. He fooled them all.

[Venturi Swirl]

Savile isn’t the only monster in history who was never found guilty in a court of law or even charged but whose crimes he certainly did commit, as a matter of fact.  It’s just a crying shame that he got away with it. 

[Eleanor]

A few on this forum are happy to close their eyes to Savile's appalling and despicable sexual abuse, and not just when he was a BBC employee...

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jun/26/jimmy-savile-victims-leeds-general-infirmary-investigators

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jun/26/former-child-patients-recount-jimmy-savile-abuse-leeds-hospital

A few on this Forum believe in the Presumption of Innocence, even for Brueckner.  While some will never afford this basic fact of Law for The McCanns.  This is downright hypocrisy.

[G-Unit]

A few on this Forum believe in the Presumption of Innocence, even for Brueckner.  While some will never afford this basic fact of Law for The McCanns.  This is downright hypocrisy.

If the McCann's right to the presumption of innocence is ever breached I'm sure it will be discussed on this Forum. After all, we have constantly discussed an alleged breach. An unfounded allegation, by the way.

[The General]

The culture and structure of the BBC helped him too, apparently. His connections with the Prince of Wales and the Prime Minister were useful too, I expect. He fooled them all.

He was advising the Prince of Wales on public relations, ffs.

[G-Unit]

He was advising the Prince of Wales on public relations, ffs.

Well he was an expert at fooling folk, wasn't he.

[Mr Gray]

If the McCann's right to the presumption of innocence is ever breached I'm sure it will be discussed on this Forum. After all, we have constantly discussed an alleged breach. An unfounded allegation, by the way.

unles thecase is referred to the Grand chamber its absolute legality will bnot be established

[Brietta]

Well he was an expert at fooling folk, wasn't he.

I love the way in which you have fallen lock stock and barrel for media hype in much the same way Yewtree was swallowed whole.

How many aliases did "Nick" have when grubbing around for pay-outs funding his allegations subsequently found to be false and for which he did time.
That information is a simple matter of proven fact and I would have said that MWT has a sin to answer for had he not just followed hard on the heels of the police guided by Nick.

How many names did "Nick" go by in the day when his word was gospel, until the bubble burst.

By the way - I was wrong that he stole from Savile's charities with his award for in excess of £40,000.  The sum he was awarded was only in excess of £20,000.  Still, not bad for a day's work if it's there for the taking.

[faithlilly]

I love the way in which you have fallen lock stock and barrel for media hype in much the same way Yewtree was swallowed whole.

How many aliases did "Nick" have when grubbing around for pay-outs funding his allegations subsequently found to be false and for which he did time.
That information is a simple matter of proven fact and I would have said that MWT has a sin to answer for had he not just followed hard on the heels of the police guided by Nick.

How many names did "Nick" go by in the day when his word was gospel, until the bubble burst.

By the way - I was wrong that he stole from Savile's charities with his award for in excess of £40,000.  The sum he was awarded was only in excess of £20,000.  Still, not bad for a day's work if it's there for the taking.

Was it only Beech who accused Saville of some of the most horrific child abuse possible?