Mark Williams-Thomas making new three part crime series for Ch5.

[G-Unit]

There's certainly more Savillophiles about than I would have assumed and almost certainly generates perplexity in them when considering the paradoxical stance on CB.
Each to their own, I suppose, but the moral high ground has just been taken back, ow's about that then? UrgUrgUrgUrgl

It's very strange. Disbelieving the victims, witnesses and the police in one case, despite the evidence and believing a prosecutor in another case despite no real evidence being offered. I suspect a deep seated bias.

[Venturi Swirl]

It's very strange. Disbelieving the victims, witnesses and the police in one case, despite the evidence and believing a prosecutor in another case despite no real evidence being offered. I suspect a deep seated bias.

TBH, whilst I fully accept that Savile was a serial abuser, I’m surprised you have accepted it, considering your philosophy of “accept nothing, believe noone, check everything “.  All the evidence against Savile is from witnesses, no real proof or forensics, there was also a financial incentive in identifying as a victim, you’d think your scepiticism would have well and truly kicked in, but no, you’ve appear to have accepted what you’ve been told unquestioningly.  Interesting…

[Eleanor]

I'm defending The Right to The Presumption of Innocence for Savile and Brueckner.  If that's okay with everyone.

[faithlilly]

I'm defending The Right to The Presumption of Innocence for Savile and Brueckner.  If that's okay with everyone.

And Fred West?

[Eleanor]

And Fred West?

Who is Fred West?  I don't know anything about him.  Was he tried and convicted of anything?

[Brietta]

Just carry on. The only person being exposed imo is you.

Did you miss John's admonition about abusive personal attacks on fellow members?  Rhetorical question 😁

I'm not entirely sure I wish to trade in the rights won at Runnymede for Mark Williams Thomas's version of the pursuit and technique used for his version of "justice".

[faithlilly]

Who is Fred West?  I don't know anything about him.  Was he tried and convicted of anything?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-57146895.amp

[Brietta]

There's certainly more Savillophiles about than I would have assumed and almost certainly generates perplexity in them when considering the paradoxical stance on CB.
Each to their own, I suppose, but the moral high ground has just been taken back, ow's about that then? UrgUrgUrgUrg

You are displaying ignorance and contempt for the rule of law.  Since when was the English judicial system usurped and replaced by mob rule and the diktat of a documentary film maker.  Preferably post mortem.

[Brietta]

It's very strange. Disbelieving the victims, witnesses and the police in one case, despite the evidence and believing a prosecutor in another case despite no real evidence being offered. I suspect a deep seated bias.

Please stop making thinly veiled personal attacks on me and address the fact that there is an issue in the Sir Jimmy Savile post mortem saga regarding the rule of law as we used to know it.

Such a situation could never occur in Portugal and it seldom happens here unless the accused is a celebrity.

[Brietta]

TBH, whilst I fully accept that Savile was a serial abuser, I’m surprised you have accepted it, considering your philosophy of “accept nothing, believe noone, check everything “.  All the evidence against Savile is from witnesses, no real proof or forensics, there was also a financial incentive in identifying as a victim, you’d think your scepiticism would have well and truly kicked in, but no, you’ve appear to have accepted what you’ve been told unquestioningly.  Interesting…

                                                       Quite

[Brietta]

I'm defending The Right to The Presumption of Innocence for Savile and Brueckner.  If that's okay with everyone.

And even the next famous person earmarked for post mortem exposure by Mark Williams Thomas.

Mind you - I'm not quite getting my head around KNOWING and DOING NOTHING - in the full knowledge that children are at risk as Thomas appears to be advocating while advertising his next docu or whatever.

[faithlilly]

How anyone can read the evidence from abuse victims in the link below and still defend Saville is beyond me.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28031538.amp

[Brietta]

I'm not really interested in your desperate attempts to cast doubt on Savile's guilt nor your attempts to blacken Mark Williams-Thomas's name. Whether you like it or not enough evidence of Savile's guilt exists for the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority to pay his victims.

I know nothing about Saviles guilt and neither do you - he never had the opportunity to defend himself in open court.

[G-Unit]

Did you miss John's admonition about abusive personal attacks on fellow members?  Rhetorical question 😁

I'm not entirely sure I wish to trade in the rights won at Runnymede for Mark Williams Thomas's version of the pursuit and technique used for his version of "justice".

The rights won at Runnymead from King John of England in 1215? As I recall King James Ist of England (and VI of Scotland wasn't too keen on it when he became King of both countries in 1603.

[faithlilly]

I know nothing about Saviles guilt and neither do you - he never had the opportunity to defend himself in open court.

Yes you do you just simply refuse to believe that his victim’s are telling the truth.

No wonder Saville’s child victims keep their abuse secret for so long. Yours is exactly the reaction they feared.