Scene Of Crime Reconstruction

[Holly Goodhead]

I don't care what people think. There is a reason why I hardly engage with Mike, Lookout and Steve_uk.

I've previously suggested here and on IA we look at the SoC in kitchen and twins room in terms of bloodstaining, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks.  This might help find patterns in terms of ejected casings and the way in which the perp tended to hold the firearm and assist our understanding of the SoC on landing, main stairs and master bedroom too.     

David I have started off numerous threads over recent months.  You last started one nearly a year ago:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?PHPSESSID=ukrcm5092qmatv6trbmlpgtd07&topic=7316.msg338527#msg338527

So how's about you starting off two new threads?  If for whatever reason(s) you don't want to take this forward then perhaps Samson would?  Samson you have yet to start a thread?  Perhaps you could do one each and this will keep you both out of mischief 

[Myster]

Thank you  but I was referring to the following vid:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgz0lqGVouo

Is it possible it can be slowed down or something so we can see where the casings land in the first part?

Discovered a method of making an animated gif with the latest Anschutz video, for whatever use it might be.

From the point where it leaves the ejection port to the lower far right of the frame...

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[Holly Goodhead]

Discovered a method of making an animated gif with the latest Anschutz video, for whatever use it might be.

From the point where it leaves the ejection port to the lower far right of the frame...

ooooooooo thanks that's clever    So def eject to the right unless they were thrown off course by the wind. 

[Myster]

ooooooooo thanks that's clever    So def eject to the right unless they were thrown off course by the wind.

Larger version available here... https://www.dropbox.com/home?preview=Anschutz-Casing-Ejection-Large.gif

[Holly Goodhead]

Larger version available here... https://www.dropbox.com/home?preview=Anschutz-Casing-Ejection-Large.gif

Thanks Myster.  They do seem to travel in an easterly direction as opposed to the other vid you posted ages ago which seems to show them travelling in a north easterly direction. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgz0lqGVouo

Maybe down to any wind.

[Nicholas]

The CoA has a long history of calling it wrong over long running MoJ's.  JB's case is no different in this respect:

This is what was said about other MoJ's at first and second appeal hearings:

Stefan Kizsko

"We can find no grounds whatsoever to condemn the jury's verdict of murder as in any way safe or unsatisfactory.  The appeal is dismissed".  Lord Justice Bridge.

Stephen Downing

"The court felt that her evidence was not credible and secure enough to allow an appeal against the conviction".

Sally Clarke

"Despite recognition of the flaws in Meadow's statistical evidence, the convictions were upheld at appeal in October 2000."

Guildford Four

"Both the Guildford Four and the Maguire Seven unsuccessfully sought leave to appeal their convictions immediately".

"The Guildford Four tried to obtain from the Home Secretary a reference to the Court of Appeal under Section 17 of Criminal Appeal Act 1968 (later repeled) but were unsuccessful.

Birmingham 6

"In March 1976 their first application for leave to appeal was dismissed by the Court of Appeal, presided over by Lord Widgery CJ".

"In January 1988 after a six week hearing (at that time the longest criminal hearing ever held), the convictions were ruled to be safe and satisfactory.  The Court of Appeal, presided over by the Lord Chief Justice Lord Lane dismissed the appeals".

Sam Hallam

"In 2007 there was a failed appeal with the judges holding that the evidence of the witnesses could still be relied upon".

What makes you think Stephen Downing is innocent?

He confessed when his conviction was quashed on a technicality and after being released from prison!

Stephen Downing, not unlike Barry George, remains the prime suspect!

[Nicholas]

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[Nicholas]

I actually wrote to SL on this subject a few years ago, just checked my email and it's still there. This is what he said but it's not very convincing ..... By the way, I have left the time and date stamp but have not included email addresses.

"Sent: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 17:54 Subject:
Re: Bamber Case (Shotgun Finger Prints)
Hi Caroline, Thank you for your email. You are probably best contacting the Bamber campaign as they have greater access to the documents. I have seen the relevant document but don't have a copy. I am not convinced it is strictly relevant to what happened that night. I am not sure what the document reference is - I wrote the book in 2004 which is when I saw the document, so I can't recall its contents. There will be references to it in my notes but I don't have time to go through them all. So it is best you get in touch with the campaign."

Scott Lomax has today tweeted the following;


SC Lomax
@SCLomax
1h
Pleased to announce my Jeremy Bamber book has now been released as a paperback by
@TheHistoryPress https://amazon.co.uk/dp/0750994711/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2JB5T0D2XA2DX&keywords=scott+lomax&qid=1578646595&sprefix=scott+lomax%2Caps%2C168&sr=8-2… #jeremybamber #whitehousefarm #itv

https://mobile.twitter.com/SCLomax/status/1215584278660206592

I've recently been flicking through Scott Lomax again.  This book is woeful.  I realised this first time I read it very quickly but going over it again there are just so many errors.   

Page 185:

This is consistent with her having taken Procyclidene in the afternoon and therefore the drowsiness she might have experienced as a result of her very low dosage of Haloperidol would have been counteracted by her very low dosage of Procyclidene.

There's no evidence SC had taken Procyclidene.  The pathology report and toxicology reports only mention cannabis and Haloperidol. 

It appears the level of Haloperidol in SC's system 15ng/1ml blood falls into the low range of MODERATE.

How can an author write a book and not even check the most basic facts?  Surely anyone writing a book about WHF would read very carefully the pathology report? 

I have no interest in discussing this further just wanted to highlight what a complete numpty this guy is. 

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=199.0;attach=698

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=207.0;attach=750

SC had been prescribed Procyclidene but no trace of such was found in her biological samples at TOD.

[Nicholas]

Scott Lomax has today tweeted the following;

SC Lomax
@SCLomax
1h
Pleased to announce my Jeremy Bamber book has now been released as a paperback by
@TheHistoryPress https://amazon.co.uk/dp/0750994711/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2JB5T0D2XA2DX&keywords=scott+lomax&qid=1578646595&sprefix=scott+lomax%2Caps%2C168&sr=8-2… #jeremybamber #whitehousefarm #itv

https://mobile.twitter.com/SCLomax/status/1215584278660206592

Interesting how also today Lookout over on blue has stated; here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10009.msg469622.html#msg469622 and here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10009.msg469634.html#msg469634

Lookout Reply #1139 on: Today at 01:47 PM »
Walk away  ::) Or do what I'm doing-----ordering Scott Lomax's latest book, a paperback @ £14.99.

Lookout Reply #1146 on: Today at 02:20 PM »
It appears to be more up to date as a follow-up from his original book since more information became available. I gather he's in touch with the legal side of the CT team by his remark--- quote," Every aspect of the prosecution's case can be dismantled "unquote.

Of course there’s no evidence to suggest Scott Lomax is ‘in touch with the legal side of the CT team by his remark’ but he did tweet the following in response to his tweet about the release of his book in paperback.

SC Lomax
@SCLomax
59m
I should add this is a long-held view but one I did not reach lightly. I kept an open mind but the evidence, which the jury never saw, was compelling. Every aspect of the prosecution's case can be dismantled.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SCLomax/status/1215584278660206592

There’s of course also no evidence to suggest the book has been revised nor is it a follow-up to the original book since it was written back in 2004 but I guess there’s no real harm done by suggesting otherwise or by lying in what appears to be an attempt to deceive others

[Myster]

Interesting how also today Lookout over on blue has stated; here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10009.msg469622.html#msg469622 and here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10009.msg469634.html#msg469634

Lookout Reply #1139 on: Today at 01:47 PM »
Walk away  ::) Or do what I'm doing-----ordering Scott Lomax's latest book, a paperback @ £14.99.

Lookout Reply #1146 on: Today at 02:20 PM »
It appears to be more up to date as a follow-up from his original book since more information became available. I gather he's in touch with the legal side of the CT team by his remark--- quote," Every aspect of the prosecution's case can be dismantled "unquote.

Of course there’s no evidence to suggest Scott Lomax is ‘in touch with the legal side of the CT team by his remark’ but he did tweet the following in response to his tweet about the release of his book in paperback.

SC Lomax
@SCLomax
59m
I should add this is a long-held view but one I did not reach lightly. I kept an open mind but the evidence, which the jury never saw, was compelling. Every aspect of the prosecution's case can be dismantled.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SCLomax/status/1215584278660206592

There’s of course also no evidence to suggest the book has been revised nor is it a follow-up to the original book since it was written back in 2004 but I guess there’s no real harm done by suggesting otherwise or by lying in what appears to be an attempt to deceive others

It's only a paperback version of the original and I've no intention of reading further crap from a diehard Bamber supporter... Bamber's guilty, end of!

[Nicholas]

It's only a paperback version of the original and I've no intention of reading further crap from a diehard Bamber supporter... Bamber's guilty, end of!

I don’t believe Scott Lomax is a ‘diehard Bamber supporter’ I think he saw an opportunity way back when and took it.

The thing is, people like Lomax can say things like, “I have come to the view that he is innocent” but it doesn’t mean privately he believes this.

Saying for example, ‘I have come to the view he is guilty‘ isn’t exactly going to sell his book and he has nothing to lose and everything to gain by sticking to an innocence stance.

[Nicholas]

It's only a paperback version of the original and I've no intention of reading further crap from a diehard Bamber supporter... Bamber's guilty, end of!

🎀 Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
8h
#WhiteHouseFarm Great news,
@SCLomax’s book certainly clarified things for me. Good move @SCLomax
https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/with_replies

I find it interesting Bamber supporters are currently promoting a 15 plus year out of date book yet have stated what they have about the current ITV drama series.

Lomax has today asked via twitter,

SC Lomax
@SCLomax
5h
If the police believed Sheila Caffell to be dead, why did they use a loudhailer for two hours trying to make contact with her? Why did a police officer, when he heard movement in the house, shout to Sheila?
https://mobile.twitter.com/SCLomax/status/1215621250908815361

Are we to really believe Scott Lomax has never considered the fact Bamber had been so convincing?

It was the middle of the night in rural Essex and Bamber had set the scene... What did he initially tell the police about Crispy the dog and when were they made aware of his presence inside the house? Or did they only learn of Crispy when the raid team entered and found his cowering under the bed?

🎀 Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
1h
Replying to
@GrumpyGran1948
 and
@tru68
Scott Lomax, he also wrote about Barry's case. He has a forensic mind. #WhiteHouseFarm

[Myster]

The telephone operator who was asked to open the line within the farm heard a dog barking.

[Nicholas]

The telephone operator who was asked to open the line within the farm heard a dog barking.

Yes she did but Bamber chose to not shoot the dog so what did he tell the police about Crispy when he was outside the house with the police etc?

27. At 3.35 a.m., Mr Bonnet arranged for a police car to go to White House Farm. A check made by a British Telecom operator of the telephone line to the farm was made at 4.30 a.m. The receiver was off the hook and all the operator could hear was the sound of a dog barking
http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html

If Scott Lomax had a ‘forensic mind’ as suggested by Michelle Diskin Bates wouldn’t he have considered the movement heard inside the house was that of Crispy the dog?

[Myster]

Yes she did but Bamber chose to not shoot the dog so what did he tell the police about Crispy when he was outside the house with the police etc?

I don't think he mentioned anything about Crispy inside, but only said that his dad would have been out of the house like a shot if their outdoor labrador barked at any disturbance or spotted a fox in the yard.  I know in his youth Bamber had his own pet dog which got run over and he was inconsolable, allegedly.