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Carana:
There's a longish thread on Scotland, but nothing about Ireland.

55.8% of votes in NI voted Remain (back in 2016).
https://www.bbc.com/news/politics/eu_referendum/results

Any thoughts?

Vertigo Swirl:

--- Quote from: Carana on October 03, 2019, 09:50:09 AM ---There's a longish thread on Scotland, but nothing about Ireland.

55.8% of votes in NI voted Remain (back in 2016).
https://www.bbc.com/news/politics/eu_referendum/results

Any thoughts?

--- End quote ---
Yes, they should pipe down and suck it up, or something.

Carana:
208 border crossings: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/brexit/borderlands/the-border

Carana:

The backstop isn’t just about trade. Is that so hard to understand, Britain?
Dearbhail McDonald

The Good Friday agreement allows people to identify as Irish, British or both. We’re being forced, once again, to choose sides

Thu 31 Jan 2019 06.00 GMT
Last modified on Tue 3 Sep 2019 10.53 BST


One of my earliest childhood memories is of a circling red light motioning cars to stop near the border, silencing all who encountered its fiery glare. That red light filled my young heart with fear. I didn’t know if the gloved hand holding the torch was that of the RUC, the British army, the IRA or the UVF.

I grew up during the Troubles in the shadow of Cloghogue, one of the largest British army bases in Northern Ireland. Having to make detours to avoid customs and security checks along “bomb alley” – an atrocity-laden eight-mile stretch of road between Newry and Dundalk – was as frightening as it was familiar.

It still is: to this day there are some back roads in South Armagh that I will not drive on alone after dark. It’s hard to explain to those who have not lived through a conflict that claimed more than 3,500 lives, in a region with a smaller population than most large UK cities, how the border permeated every aspect of our lives.

    Backtracking on the backstop is a mistake and a risky one at that

It’s also hard to explain why the Brexit backstop – an insurance policy proposed between the EU and the UK to avoid a hard border, and extended to the whole of the UK at the latter’s insistence – is so critical. As the business editor of the largest media group in Ireland, I can give you chapter and verse about the economic threats a hard or no-deal Brexit poses for the Irish, Northern Irish and British economies. But you know about those already.

The reality is that no amount of economic modelling can capture the unquantifiable human and psychological costs of the return of a hard border. Many argue that technological solutions – drones and suchlike – will do the trick. This is farcical: you only eliminate physical checks between two territories separated by a border when they share a customs union and have broad regulatory alignment. Everything else is infrastructure.

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/31/ireland-hard-border-brexit-backstop-good-friday-agreement?CMP=share_btn_tw

Miss Taken Identity:
If the EU want a hard border they can put one up - simple.  or are the EU going to force a population to succumb to their will by force? The catholic church has all but lots its credability as the moral compass of a nation- owing to its rape and torture of children throughout its wicked history. The paramilitaries of both sides are the procurers of civil unrest in that island who also use torture and murder to instill fear.

 The EU have removed their democarcy- they use words to keep them in tow.

The Irish voters with a majority  in favour of NOT wanting to sign onto the LISBON TREATY  were denied this.

 TWICE, the Irish  and the Italians have had a majority of NOT complying with the  EU- but the EU was having none of it had their way in the end. They overruled.




Italy did the same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfM3LK9h5MY

EU democracy? unelcted commissioners making the rules- cannot be sacked.   Hell yeah

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