Goncalo Amaral.

[Robittybob1]

Please keep the discussion civil.

[John]

IMO they didn't write it off ...because of the interference by the UK they couldn't take it any further it seems.

I think you have a very good point, the Portuguese sent several requests to the UK for information and background reports concerning the parents but were denied them. What does that tell you because it certainly leaves me with the distinct impression that this case has been thwarted by the UK authorities from the get-go.

[Mr Gray]

I think you have a very good point, the Portuguese sent several requests to the UK for information and background reports concerning the parents but were denied them. What does that tell you because it certainly leaves me with the distinct impression that this case has been thwarted by the UK authorities from get go.

They were denied things because in the UK it needs a court order to release these things and a court order requires evidence. I think the UK authorities tried to help but the PJ didnt want it...remember the dogs came from the UK...how can that not be trying to help

[kizzy]

I think you have a very good point, the Portuguese sent several requests to the UK for information and background reports concerning the parents but were denied them. What does that tell you because it certainly leaves me with the distinct impression that this case has been thwarted by the UK authorities from the get-go.

IIRC one of those requests was regarding Maddies health ..or if she suffered from heart problems I think.

[John]

They were denied things because in the UK it needs a court order to release these things and a court order requires evidence. I think the UK authorities tried to help but the PJ didnt want it...remember the dogs came from the UK...how can that not be trying to help

The police don't need a court order to investigate a crime.

[Mr Gray]

The police don't need a court order to investigate a crime.

they need a court order to get credit card details......medical records

[Venturi Swirl]

What about ? I have a short attention span.

You know what that’s a sign of don’t you...?

[Robittybob1]

You know what that’s a sign of don’t you...?

No, I've forgotten.

[John]

they need a court order to get credit card details......medical records

All they need is a bench warrant.

[Eleanor]

I think you have a very good point, the Portuguese sent several requests to the UK for information and background reports concerning the parents but were denied them. What does that tell you because it certainly leaves me with the distinct impression that this case has been thwarted by the UK authorities from the get-go.

I really don't believe you sometimes.  You have better access to information than the rest of us?  Probably not.

[Mr Gray]

All they need is a bench warrant.

They have to apply to a judge...I've just been through the process...and the judge requires evidence to support the application

[Mr Gray]

I think you have a very good point, the Portuguese sent several requests to the UK for information and background reports concerning the parents but were denied them. What does that tell you because it certainly leaves me with the distinct impression that this case has been thwarted by the UK authorities from the get-go.

I think it's been thwarted by the Portuguese from the word go

[Eleanor]

I think it's been thwarted by the Portuguese from the word go

You only "Think."

[Mr Gray]

All they need is a bench warrant.

The specific law which deals with PRODUCTION OF BANK STATEMENTS is s.345 POCA 2002. This enables a police constable to apply for a court order to obtain bank statements and correspondence.

[Mr Gray]

medical records...

In this case the GP contacted the Medical Defence Union. The case
was listed in order to discharge the order on the basis that medical
records were excluded material under section 11 of the Police and
Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (“PACE”) and the access conditions for
the production of excluded material under Schedule 1 paragraph 3 of
PACE were not met.
In the event the CPS agreed with the submission and the order was
discharged. It transpired at the hearing that orders such as this were
being made frequently. GPs following the GMC’s Confidentiality
Guidance may not appreciate that an order under PACE requiring the
production of medical records is itself unlawful.